How To Be Un-Saved
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Who are God's Israel under the NEW Covenant? If your not a part of God's Israel your not a part of the NEW Covenant.
Very true.
What law are you talking about given to Moses? God's LAW (10 Commandments) or the Mosaic law written in them book of the Covenant that God commanded Moses to keep separate from his LAW in the Ark of the Covenant?
We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest any man should boast.
As the scriptures say if your tree has no fruit it will be cast down and thrown into the fire because your faith is dead (Matthew 7:12-23; James2:18-20; 26)
SIN is breaking GOd's Commandments not following God's Word through FAITH that works by LOVE is UNBELIEF in God's WORD. This is SIN and KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM come judgement day.
I am indeed a lawbreaker but have been forgiven and now free to walk in His SPIRIT and follow him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM because they deny the POWER of GOd unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES. If the Son of man shall make you free you shall be free indeed.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Very true.
What law are you talking about given to Moses? God's LAW (10 Commandments) or the Mosaic law written in them book of the Covenant that God commanded Moses to keep separate from his LAW in the Ark of the Covenant?
We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest any man should boast.
As the scriptures say if your tree has no fruit it will be cast down and thrown into the fire because your faith is dead (Matthew 7:12-23; James2:18-20; 26)
SIN is breaking GOd's Commandments not following God's Word through FAITH that works by LOVE is UNBELIEF in God's WORD. This is SIN and KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM come judgement day.
I am indeed a lawbreaker but have been forgiven and now free to walk in His SPIRIT and follow him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM because they deny the POWER of GOd unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES. If the Son of man shall make you free you shall be free indeed.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
You will need to explain your self better you have not answered the questions asked of you for clarification. There is no picking and choosing. You either believe God's Word of you do not. I not not judge you and you are free to believe and do whatever you want. Only God's Word will judge all who BELIEVE or do not BELIEVE. KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.
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Rejecting Christ deliberately is the root problem, which results in practicing sin and not righteousness (1 John 3:7-10). Though the knowledge was not flawed (vs. 26), the application of the knowledge was. There was no heart submission to the knowledge of the truth. The end result is "drew back to perdition" and did not "believe to the saving of the soul." (Hebrews 10:39).
Saying OSAS is sinful doesn't make it a judgment call or an accusation. It's sinful, plain & simple.
Maybe we need to get away from the works/no works issue altogether & talk about what the Bible says about disobedience instead.
Disobedience is known 2 ways:
1. doing what we're not supposed to do
2. not doing what we're told to do.
Colossians 3
5Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry. 6For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience, 7and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them.
HELPS Word-studies
543 apeítheia(from 1 /A "not" and 3982 /peíthō, "persuaded") – properly, someone not persuaded, referring to their willful unbelief, i.e. the refusal to be convinced by God's voice. This is the core-meaning of the entire word-family: 543 (apeítheia), 544 (apeithéō), 545 (apeithḗs). All these cognates focus on man's decision to reject God's offers of faith, i.e. refusal to be persuaded in their heart concerning obeying His will (Word).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 543: ἀπείθεια
ἀπείθεια (WHἀπειθια, except in Heb. as below (see Iota)), ἀπειθας, ἡ (ἀπειθής), disobedience (Jerome,inobedientia), obstinacy, and in the N. T. particularly obstinate opposition to the divine will: Romans 11:30, 32; Hebrews 4:6, 11; υἱοίτῆςἀπειθείας, those who are animated by this obstinacy (see υἱός, 2), used of the Gentiles: Ephesians 2:2; Ephesians 5:6; Colossians 3:6 (RGL brackets). (Xenophon, mem. 3, 5, 5; Plutarch, others.)
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
disobedience, unbelief.From apeithes; disbelief (obstinate and rebellious) -- disobedience, unbelief.
see GREEK apeithes
The Bible mentions a 3rd concept of disobedience:
Romans 14:22
22Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy ishe that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Even obedience itself not done in faith is disobedience, because the just shall live by faith.
You seem mixed up what we are talking about is that KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.
Do you BELIEVE that if someone is LIVING a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN is in a saved state before God or an UNSAVED state before God?
I am posting on this thread in regards to the false Gospel of ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED and how KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW and not BELIEVING his WORD.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Do you BELIEVE that if someone is LIVING a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN is in a saved state before God or an UNSAVED state before God?
I am posting on this thread in regards to the false Gospel of ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED and how KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW and not BELIEVING his WORD.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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It is obvious that you do not fully keep the Sabbath or you would answer. So by your own definition (keeping the Sabbath is necessary for salvation) you are living in unrepentant sin and are lost.
My salvation is in Jesus Christ. Like Abraham, I believed. I am forever in my Lord's hand.
Now because I am a child of God, I repent and ask His forgiveness each time I realize I sin. The Holy Spirit that lives within me will not allow me to continue in sin without conviction.
I am not subject to the penalty of the Law. Jesus paid that penalty for me on the cross.
Now if you will just believe as Abraham believed, you to will no longer be subject to the penalty of the law for not FULLY keeping the Sabbath.
My salvation is in Jesus Christ. Like Abraham, I believed. I am forever in my Lord's hand.
Now because I am a child of God, I repent and ask His forgiveness each time I realize I sin. The Holy Spirit that lives within me will not allow me to continue in sin without conviction.
I am not subject to the penalty of the Law. Jesus paid that penalty for me on the cross.
Now if you will just believe as Abraham believed, you to will no longer be subject to the penalty of the law for not FULLY keeping the Sabbath.
Seems there is nothing new under the sun. The mainstream teachers in the day of Jesus accused him of breaking the Sabbath as well. Yet Jesus was the CREATOR and LORd of the Sabbath teaching it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath and the restrictions placed on the Sabbath by the tradtitions of men were as though man was created for the Sabbath and not the Sabbath for man.
Wheather you judge me or not in regards to keeping God's 4th Commandment is of little importance to me for it is written....
Romans 2
1, Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are that judge: for wherein you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you that judge do the same things.
2, But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3, And think you this, O man, that judge them which do such things, and do the same, that you shall escape the judgment of God?
4, Or despise you the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long-suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
5, But after your hardness and impenitent heart treasure up to yourself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6, Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7, To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
8, But to them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath.
Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it because it is the WORD of God that will judge us all in the last days.
John 12
46, I am come a light into the world, that whoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
You are only forever in the Lords Hands if you choose to stay there. If you choose to CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN you have taken youeself out of God's hands and counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing and will be judged in your SINS in the last days.
KNOWN UNREPENANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8).
No one has the HOLY SPIRIT who are living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN because God's SPIRIT is HOLY and God only Give the HOLY Spirit to those who REPENT and OBEY HIM (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:32)
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Wheather you judge me or not in regards to keeping God's 4th Commandment is of little importance to me for it is written....
Romans 2
1, Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are that judge: for wherein you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you that judge do the same things.
2, But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3, And think you this, O man, that judge them which do such things, and do the same, that you shall escape the judgment of God?
4, Or despise you the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long-suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
5, But after your hardness and impenitent heart treasure up to yourself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6, Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7, To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
8, But to them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath.
Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it because it is the WORD of God that will judge us all in the last days.
John 12
46, I am come a light into the world, that whoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
You are only forever in the Lords Hands if you choose to stay there. If you choose to CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN you have taken youeself out of God's hands and counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing and will be judged in your SINS in the last days.
KNOWN UNREPENANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8).
No one has the HOLY SPIRIT who are living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN because God's SPIRIT is HOLY and God only Give the HOLY Spirit to those who REPENT and OBEY HIM (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:32)
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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You are mixed up I do not keep God's LAW to be saved as I told you earlier we are ONLY SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest anyman should boast.
I am a sinner in need of a Savior. All I can do without Jesus is SIN. However, I can do all things through Chrsit who strengthens me when I believe his WORD. Without Jesus I can do nothing. I have been forgiven because I BELIEVE God's WORD.
Now I follow Jesus not because I have to, but because I LOVE him who first loved me.
Those who LOVE Jesus will take up their cross and FOLLOW him. This is why Jesus says to those who BELIEVE his WORD. If you LOVE me keep my commandments (John 14:15).
SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 Commandments) and not BELIEVING his WORD.
KNOWN UNREPENANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8).
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
I am a sinner in need of a Savior. All I can do without Jesus is SIN. However, I can do all things through Chrsit who strengthens me when I believe his WORD. Without Jesus I can do nothing. I have been forgiven because I BELIEVE God's WORD.
Now I follow Jesus not because I have to, but because I LOVE him who first loved me.
Those who LOVE Jesus will take up their cross and FOLLOW him. This is why Jesus says to those who BELIEVE his WORD. If you LOVE me keep my commandments (John 14:15).
SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 Commandments) and not BELIEVING his WORD.
KNOWN UNREPENANT SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8).
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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I asked you a number of questions earler that you did not reply to. If you answer my question I will answer yours. Here is one simple question.
Is someone who is professing to be a Christian while living their life in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN in a SAVED state before GOD or an UNSAVED state before God?
Is someone who is professing to be a Christian while living their life in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN in a SAVED state before GOD or an UNSAVED state before God?
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Okay Grandpa lets see how simple this truly is.
1. Who are the sheep? It seems that is a big part of this debate.
2 What is the voice/message? It seems what message is being heard is rather important.
3 What does it mean to "follow"? What & how we follow is quite a hot topic here.
4. What is the meaning of "I give unto them eternal life"? When does this happen?
5. Does the "neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" include the ability for the sheep to resist the lordship of the shepherd?
6. Does the phrase "My Father, which gave them to me" imply only those who are faithful to the end or to those who were faithful at least once during their life?
Your post is rather typical of many on this thread, pick a verse and insert your assumptions. Never willing to even consider another possibility.
1. Who are the sheep? It seems that is a big part of this debate.
2 What is the voice/message? It seems what message is being heard is rather important.
3 What does it mean to "follow"? What & how we follow is quite a hot topic here.
4. What is the meaning of "I give unto them eternal life"? When does this happen?
5. Does the "neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" include the ability for the sheep to resist the lordship of the shepherd?
6. Does the phrase "My Father, which gave them to me" imply only those who are faithful to the end or to those who were faithful at least once during their life?
Your post is rather typical of many on this thread, pick a verse and insert your assumptions. Never willing to even consider another possibility.
It seems LGF holds the 7th day as unique and holy above the rest. Many Christians hold Saturday or other days as special, I do not agree but this does not change the subject of OSAS being a dangerous heresy. To believe a sincere moment of faith in our past will grant us eternal life regardless of our state of faithfulness at death is absurd. Only the wise virgins who were ready when the groom appeared were rewarded, those who left were locked out.
So if LGF persistently tells others that they are doomed to hell, regardless of faith in Christ, regardless of Christ's atonement, but purely on the basis of whether they worship God congregationally on one day or another, even after having repeatedly been corrected by dozens of elders in the church on the matter, is he in unrepentant sin?