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Sovereign definition. <----this word.
So, yes, not so much an assumption as a fact, since you keep confirming my assumption.
So, yes, not so much an assumption as a fact, since you keep confirming my assumption.
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It is quite humorous that you said this today. Why, you might ask? I removed you off of my ignore list today (way earlier before this post of yours). 
My response wasn't directed at you in any way, shape, or form. I am talking to Blue, not you (had to say it like that cause it rhymed lol).
Anyways, hopefully when we do chat we can be civilized and learn from one another. I feel we are way passed the reason I put you on ignore (if I can remember what it was).
My response wasn't directed at you in any way, shape, or form. I am talking to Blue, not you (had to say it like that cause it rhymed lol).
Anyways, hopefully when we do chat we can be civilized and learn from one another. I feel we are way passed the reason I put you on ignore (if I can remember what it was).
So, now that I have your attention, could you go back to third page, both post #46 and #49 and answer those? Or not. (Not sure you can answer post 46, since it wasn't so much a question as an answer to your previous questions.)
To declare that God is sovereign, is to say that God is God. I've never said otherwise. I KNOW that nothing happens unless He allows it... BUT did He CAUSE my seizures? NO. Did He CAUSE my bad back? NO.
Those come from the fallen state of this world. Oh and heredity too..can't forget that
So YES, once again, it IS assumption on your part, to deign to say that I don't believe that God is sovereign. And that's a lie on your part.
I KNOW that nothing happens unless He allows it... BUT did He CAUSE my seizures? NO. Did He CAUSE my bad back? NO. Those come from the fallen state of this world. Oh and heredity too..can't forget that
So YES, once again, it IS assumption on your part, to deign to say that I don't believe that God is sovereign. And that's a lie on your part.
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Single-minded = strength of mind.
As for no more miracles?
Hi, my name is Lynn. The Lord has healed me of chronic UTI, a bee sting, (where I had a terrible reaction to a bee sting as a child and know bee and ant allergies just get worse. They don't disappear), and fire ant bites.
My husband has been healed of Hepatitis C, long before that new drug came out, cancer on the kidney, and a heart attack so bad, the original doctors come running when they hear he's back to visit, because they cannot believe he is alive. (Dead man walking.) Even his medical file makes new doctors stop what they're reading to look at him, because he shouldn't be sitting there.
And absolutely none of that was done with single-mindedness. I distinctly remember telling God "your will, not my will, but not going to lie. I really want him back. So, if you won't give me him back, help me get through that too." Not very single-minded of me.
And I distinctly remember expressions of other people's faces, and feeling that same expression on my face, when someone was healed. The word is "shocked." Sure there was prayer, but every time God heals, there was always great shock that he actually did heal, because, let's face it. He doesn't usually heal.
Still miracles happening. Never was about the singled-mindedness of man. Man doesn't do single-mindedness too well. (Not sure it's even possible to do.) Always the Lord, and he's still doing it.
I suspect less miracles now than before simply because miracles would often used to get the people's attention before preaching the gospel. Less now, because most of the world knows the gospel, so the only thing we're doing is seed sprinkling in hopes God uses it for his effectual calling.
Still, sometimes real people need real healing, so praying is good. I can't say the UTI was going to kill me, but it was miserable for years. That first bee sting caused my entire leg to swell and become useless for three weeks. The first ant bite gave me hives all over my body. The second one was going to be worse, and I really didn't like the first one.
Hep C would have killed hubby by now. That cyst of cancer would have started taking over his kidney by now. I saw him the day of his heart attack. He was a goner. So the Lord extended his stay on this planet and stopped me from feeling miserable for 3 weeks to 37 years.
I don't know why he doesn't heal everyone. I know it's fair, because what we deserve is far worse. But I will not say there are no miracles because of the content of man's mind. I know there are miracles by the content of God's character.
As for no more miracles?
Hi, my name is Lynn. The Lord has healed me of chronic UTI, a bee sting, (where I had a terrible reaction to a bee sting as a child and know bee and ant allergies just get worse. They don't disappear), and fire ant bites.
My husband has been healed of Hepatitis C, long before that new drug came out, cancer on the kidney, and a heart attack so bad, the original doctors come running when they hear he's back to visit, because they cannot believe he is alive. (Dead man walking.) Even his medical file makes new doctors stop what they're reading to look at him, because he shouldn't be sitting there.
And absolutely none of that was done with single-mindedness. I distinctly remember telling God "your will, not my will, but not going to lie. I really want him back. So, if you won't give me him back, help me get through that too." Not very single-minded of me.
And I distinctly remember expressions of other people's faces, and feeling that same expression on my face, when someone was healed. The word is "shocked." Sure there was prayer, but every time God heals, there was always great shock that he actually did heal, because, let's face it. He doesn't usually heal.
Still miracles happening. Never was about the singled-mindedness of man. Man doesn't do single-mindedness too well. (Not sure it's even possible to do.) Always the Lord, and he's still doing it.
I suspect less miracles now than before simply because miracles would often used to get the people's attention before preaching the gospel. Less now, because most of the world knows the gospel, so the only thing we're doing is seed sprinkling in hopes God uses it for his effectual calling.
Still, sometimes real people need real healing, so praying is good. I can't say the UTI was going to kill me, but it was miserable for years. That first bee sting caused my entire leg to swell and become useless for three weeks. The first ant bite gave me hives all over my body. The second one was going to be worse, and I really didn't like the first one.
Hep C would have killed hubby by now. That cyst of cancer would have started taking over his kidney by now. I saw him the day of his heart attack. He was a goner. So the Lord extended his stay on this planet and stopped me from feeling miserable for 3 weeks to 37 years.
I don't know why he doesn't heal everyone. I know it's fair, because what we deserve is far worse. But I will not say there are no miracles because of the content of man's mind. I know there are miracles by the content of God's character.
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To declare that God is sovereign, is to say that God is God. I've never said otherwise. I KNOW that nothing happens unless He allows it... BUT did He CAUSE my seizures? NO. Did He CAUSE my bad back? NO.
Those come from the fallen state of this world. Oh and heredity too..can't forget that
So YES, once again, it IS assumption on your part, to deign to say that I don't believe that God is sovereign. And that's a lie on your part.
I KNOW that nothing happens unless He allows it... BUT did He CAUSE my seizures? NO. Did He CAUSE my bad back? NO. Those come from the fallen state of this world. Oh and heredity too..can't forget that
So YES, once again, it IS assumption on your part, to deign to say that I don't believe that God is sovereign. And that's a lie on your part.
Honest, honest, God is sovereign!
I look at it slightly different than Lynn...but...the way I look at it versus the way she looks at it becomes a moot point to make because He works all things to my good.
Jesus was tortured and murdered. He worked it to my good.
I was physically assaulted. He worked it to my good.
I've not been healed. He worked it to my good.
Did God cause those who tortured Jesus to do it?
Did He cause the person who assaulted me to do that?
Has He caused my disease?
I say no. He does not cause men to sin. But He worked it to my good. And I feel the same way about my disease.
But as I said, it becomes a moot point to me to argue the difference. The person who assaulted me meant it for evil but He meant it for good. To me, that shows He is sovereign. No matter what plan is against me, He works it for my good. I just need time and distance to see it usually.
Jesus was tortured and murdered. He worked it to my good.
I was physically assaulted. He worked it to my good.
I've not been healed. He worked it to my good.
Did God cause those who tortured Jesus to do it?
Did He cause the person who assaulted me to do that?
Has He caused my disease?
I say no. He does not cause men to sin. But He worked it to my good. And I feel the same way about my disease.
But as I said, it becomes a moot point to me to argue the difference. The person who assaulted me meant it for evil but He meant it for good. To me, that shows He is sovereign. No matter what plan is against me, He works it for my good. I just need time and distance to see it usually.
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I disagree that God CAUSES illness, accidents etc in the normal affairs of people. are there examples of people suffering because of disobedience to God that we read about in scripture?...yes there are but those are specific and I don't think we can say that little 3 old Jonny who ran across the street and was hit by a car, was hit because God made it happen. as long as this world has the conflict between good and evil that it does, we will deal with that conflict. and that is a huge discussion that cannot be covered by opinopm
the Bible does not say that God CAUSED satan to act in the way that he did towards Jon
I would not mind if this particular discussion went somewhere else because that is not what the thread is about...this particular debate sounds more like a vs debate and not a discussion and I know for a fact that has been rehashed many times times in other threads
the simple question here was and still is, WHY doesn't God heal everyone?
this particular question is in reference to people teaching that God promises to heal everyone
yet He does not
we are not going to figure it all out while on this planet, so if someone has that as their objective they will be disappointed
God is God and we are not. I am positive there are many many reasons why one person may be healed and another not be healed or for that matter, one person receiving healing for one thing and for another, the same person may not receive healing
do we believe that God can guide the hands of doctor? surgeons? that might be a little more advantageous to discuss then to rehash God causes accidents vs God allows accidents
I for one, would certainly appreciate that discussion be left and the actual question being discussed should this thread continute
the Bible does not say that God CAUSED satan to act in the way that he did towards Jon
I would not mind if this particular discussion went somewhere else because that is not what the thread is about...this particular debate sounds more like a vs debate and not a discussion and I know for a fact that has been rehashed many times times in other threads
the simple question here was and still is, WHY doesn't God heal everyone?
this particular question is in reference to people teaching that God promises to heal everyone
yet He does not
we are not going to figure it all out while on this planet, so if someone has that as their objective they will be disappointed
God is God and we are not. I am positive there are many many reasons why one person may be healed and another not be healed or for that matter, one person receiving healing for one thing and for another, the same person may not receive healing
do we believe that God can guide the hands of doctor? surgeons? that might be a little more advantageous to discuss then to rehash God causes accidents vs God allows accidents
I for one, would certainly appreciate that discussion be left and the actual question being discussed should this thread continute
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that sounds fatalistic to me and sorry, one thing I am not, is a fatalist
I believe choices and personal actions play the larger part in what happens in our lives
the fact that God can and does work out EVERYTHING to or for the good of those who LOVE Him, is, by far, a greater testimony of His love and faithfulness then anything else
I'm not having this discussion with anyone..I am stating what I believe and not debating
again, this is NOT what the op was created for and this topic has been covered many times elsewhere
thanks very much
I believe He uses doctors and procedures to heal us. However, that healing may be permanent, or temporary. I believe that we are not meant to be healed entirely and once and for all in THIS lifetime. Otherwise we'd be immortals in a mortal world, and that wouldn't work too well..
And that "name it claim it" bunk is a big stinking pile of horse pucky... lol
And that "name it claim it" bunk is a big stinking pile of horse pucky... lol