WHY DOESN'T GOD HEAL EVERYONE?

[louis]

It is hard to live without money. It's the love of money that is evil not the money itself. Thank God that He provided doctors. Not everyone gets healed by God in this lifetime so you have a choice and that is to remain sick and decline or see a doctor and maybe get better. It's really a no-brainer.

Correct, it is the love of money/mammon which is the root of all evil, not the mammon itself. And correct again, that not everyone gets healed by God in this lifetime; in fact very few in my opinion are currently healed by the Lord today. So as you say, I also agree it is a no brainer to go see a doctor when you feel ill.
If, however, you were singular minded as was Jesus, His apostles, His disciples, and many other first century AD Christians, these individuals would then have had no need for a doctor to cure any malady that may have befallen them.

 

[louis]

Very few people have the gift to heal someone. Even if you have total faith in God that does not mean the you have been given the gift of healing.

Total faith in Christ means you meet the criteria in John 14:12, and as such would then be able to do all the healings and miracles Christ did, with the capacity to do even greater miracles.
This is the third or fourth time I've posted this same scripture, only for someone to respond with some sort of denial to this Word.

John 14:12 [FONT=&quot]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.[/FONT]

 

[7seasrekeyed]

louis;3480285]I am putting the onus on the statement being in corroboration with the Word in James 1 statiing not to expect anything from the Lord if one is double minded. To claim otherwise, is to deny Gods Word.


you are using a passage out of context is what you are doing...what does God say concerning healing? does He not say to pray? you seem to say if a person is not healed that PROOVES they are double minded every single time

this is not what James is saying...further, as I already showed you...he is speaking of wisdom...not healing



You are claiming double mindedness in relation to having to go through trials and tribulations. Maybe one does have to go through trials and tribulations to get out of being double minded, but trials and tribulations do not represent being double minded.


that is just nonsense. contrived nonsense like quite a bit of what you say


What a twister ye be. Let's keep it simple in what I said, and not the numerous trajectories you have assumed my statements to claim.
Mammon is money, and Christians who seek it, like me and ye, are double minded.

well I am not the one twisting things here...I point out what is actually being said by James and you claim it is about healing. do I think a person can be double minded concerning healing? sure...but not in the sense you seem to suggest

that's a big word there...trajectories...

no trajectories there in your posts...all of them seem to refer only to one thing and you simply run over the posts of people who would tell anyone who listens that they have been praying, have been prayed for and continue to seek God. they are not all double minded people

I don't seek money Louis...but you go ahead and say that is your vice if you think so. you ought to know your own sin...however this particular one is not one of mine

Doctors are nothing more than an attempt to cure the ills of man with what they currently have available to them.
Mammon on the other hand, is money, which is part and intergral of all the worlds systems under Satan today.

this is absurd. Luke was a doctor...so he was after mammon? why did Jesus call him to be an Apostle?

sorry dude...doctors are able to help millions of people and you judge all and say it is all mammon and only a part of the world's systems

I think you have your own private interpretation of scripture going on

do carry on but hopefully people will see the resulting mishmash of what you do

the Bible says if a person is not willing to work, then they should not eat

God encourages work and responsibility...He encourages sharing what we have...you lump everything together with a total lack of understanding and it seems you think you are teaching something

however, what you say is not helpful and certainly not correct

done with the double minded thing here but maybe someone else will entertain it for you

 

[tourist]

Total faith in Christ means you meet the criteria in John 14:12, and as such would then be able to do all the healings and miracles Christ did, with the capacity to do even greater miracles.
This is the third or fourth time I've posted this same scripture, only for someone to respond with some sort of denial to this Word.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

That verse does not even mention about healing. Everyone I know has faith in God and believes in Him. Healing is a spiritual gift given by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has many different gifts to give but not everyone gets the same gift. The gift of healing is rare as evidenced by the lack of actual miraculous healing. Not receiving this gift does not mean that the person lacks faith. Do you have the gift of healing? I don't yet my faith in God is strong.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Louis, I've already said it but I really DO understand what you are saying. But there's a lot of balls to juggle. Drop any one of them and it gets lopsided. Yes, Paul was single-minded and he could heal. Don't forget though, he prayed about his own thorn and didn't get that same healing. So as long as you don't drop that ball and come away with an adamant statement that not being healed is always the result of double mindedness, I'm following you here.

I have just fairly recently finally got to that place where I know if I have a little, its God and if I have more than a little, its God. And still have to catch myself sometimes, finding a brief burst of worry and having to consciously reject it, usually by repeating all the verses.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I'm anxious to come back tonight to read what you guys arrive at!

 

[louis]

louis;3480285]I am putting the onus on the statement being in corroboration with the Word in James 1 statiing not to expect anything from the Lord if one is double minded. To claim otherwise, is to deny Gods Word.


you are using a passage out of context is what you are doing...what does God say concerning healing? does He not say to pray? you seem to say if a person is not healed that PROOVES they are double minded every single time

this is not what James is saying...further, as I already showed you...he is speaking of wisdom...not healing



You are claiming double mindedness in relation to having to go through trials and tribulations. Maybe one does have to go through trials and tribulations to get out of being double minded, but trials and tribulations do not represent being double minded.


that is just nonsense. contrived nonsense like quite a bit of what you say


What a twister ye be. Let's keep it simple in what I said, and not the numerous trajectories you have assumed my statements to claim.
Mammon is money, and Christians who seek it, like me and ye, are double minded.

well I am not the one twisting things here...I point out what is actually being said by James and you claim it is about healing. do I think a person can be double minded concerning healing? sure...but not in the sense you seem to suggest

that's a big word there...trajectories...

no trajectories there in your posts...all of them seem to refer only to one thing and you simply run over the posts of people who would tell anyone who listens that they have been praying, have been prayed for and continue to seek God. they are not all double minded people

I don't seek money Louis...but you go ahead and say that is your vice if you think so. you ought to know your own sin...however this particular one is not one of mine



this is absurd. Luke was a doctor...so he was after mammon? why did Jesus call him to be an Apostle?

sorry dude...doctors are able to help millions of people and you judge all and say it is all mammon and only a part of the world's systems

I think you have your own private interpretation of scripture going on

do carry on but hopefully people will see the resulting mishmash of what you do

the Bible says if a person is not willing to work, then they should not eat

God encourages work and responsibility...He encourages sharing what we have...you lump everything together with a total lack of understanding and it seems you think you are teaching something

however, what you say is not helpful and certainly not correct

done with the double minded thing here but maybe someone else will entertain it for you

If one acknowledges and continues in the truth from the Word (John 8:31-32) about their shortcomings, the truth shall set them free from Satans deceptions.
If on the other hand, one prefers some delusion contrary to the Word from the deceiver of all mankind (Revelation 12:9), they will then never be free from Satan's lies.

John 8:31 [FONT=&quot]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;[/FONT][FONT=&quot]32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.[/FONT]

 

[louis]

That verse does not even mention about healing. Everyone I know has faith in God and believes in Him. Healing is a spiritual gift given by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has many different gifts to give but not everyone gets the same gift. The gift of healing is rare as evidenced by the lack of actual miraculous healing. Not receiving this gift does not mean that the person lacks faith. Do you have the gift of healing? I don't yet my faith in God is strong.

Did not the Lord accomplish numerous healings which were considered miracles? This is kindergarten basic tourist; how can you not know this?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

If one acknowledges and continues in the truth from the Word (John 8:31-32) about their shortcomings, the truth shall set them free from Satans deceptions.
If on the other hand, one prefers some delusion contrary to the Word from the deceiver of all mankind (Revelation 12:9), they will then never be free from Satan's lies.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Definitely best to admit your lack. Walking in the truth. Its not being perfect. Its being honest.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Did not the Lord accomplish numerous healings which were considered miracles? This is kindergarten basic tourist; how can you not know this?

No need to talk that way brother. We are working this out together.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Definitely best to admit your lack. Walking in the truth. Its not being perfect. Its being honest.

Its almost as if He was saying...being honest about everything in you and all you yet lack will set you free.

 

[louis]

That verse does not even mention about healing. Everyone I know has faith in God and believes in Him. Healing is a spiritual gift given by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has many different gifts to give but not everyone gets the same gift. The gift of healing is rare as evidenced by the lack of actual miraculous healing. Not receiving this gift does not mean that the person lacks faith. Do you have the gift of healing? I don't yet my faith in God is strong.

You are correct that the Holy Spirit awards many different gifts to those who believe. They who believe more and are less mammon minded I imagine are awarded more and greater gifts. The apostles and disciples appear to have had all the gifts due to their greater singular faith in Christ, as opposed to the general church body which having less faith had lesser and fewer gifts from the Holy Spirit.

 

[tourist]

Did not the Lord accomplish numerous healings which were considered miracles? This is kindergarten basic tourist; how can you not know this?

What I'm saying is that perhaps only a handful of people in the world have the gift of healing. Without the gift of healing you're not going to heal anybody. Just because someone has great faith in God does not mean that everyone with great faith is given this gift. Jesus said that there will be those that do greater works than He but did not say everyone with great faith will be able to do all the works that He did, including healing. Of course, Jesus performed miracles but the thing is not everyone is on par with Jesus or even close for that matter. I did not say at all that Jesus did not perform miracles, including healing.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Did not the Lord accomplish numerous healings which were considered miracles? This is kindergarten basic tourist; how can you not know this?

I think what Louis is trying to say is that these things and even greater things INFLUXES healing, miracles, etc.

 

[louis]

No need to talk that way brother. We are working this out together.

You are right; I guess I'm just getting a little tired. I will try to keep it more civil.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You are correct that the Holy Spirit awards many different gifts to those who believe. They who believe more and are less mammon minded I imagine are awarded more and greater gifts. The apostles and disciples appear to have had all the gifts due to their greater singular faith in Christ, as opposed to the general church body which having less faith had lesser and fewer gifts from the Holy Spirit.

I have thought that we are the church to which He said, you have little strength but you have not denied me.

Why little strength? That's what I keep asking.

 

[louis]

Definitely best to admit your lack. Walking in the truth. Its not being perfect. Its being honest.

Exactly; and then the Holy Spirit may lead us into greater truth, rather than further into Satan's greater deceptions.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You are right; I guess I'm just getting a little tired. I will try to keep it more civil.

Well...its the stupid model we seem to go by in here. Its hard to not revert to it. Call me out please if you see me using it. I usually catch myself and apologize but I beg you, beg you, don't be afraid to call me on it. I hate the stupid model!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I think what Louis is trying to say is that these things and even greater things INFLUXES healing, miracles, etc.

Uh, that was supposed to be " includes."

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Grrr...have to shoot out again. Look forward to re-reading everyone more slowly later.