The verse I posted said he is called the eternal father. Do you say this scripture is wrong?
KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES
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More evidence.
[h=1]John 14:8-10 King James Version (KJV)[/h]8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
[h=1]John 14:8-10 King James Version (KJV)[/h]8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
I said precisely what I meant, but I'll rephrase it for you: firstly, I said nothing about God's capacity and I said nothing about His will. I said that I don't give credence to number patterns in anything other than the original languages, unless the patterns also exist in the original languages. If it isn't in the Greek (or Hebrew), I don't base any belief on it.
Eternity doesn't have a past. God simply IS. He has no beginning, he is not a created being. The Son IS begotten of The Father in eternity.
"The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works.
He established me before time began, before he made the earth: even before he made the depths; before the fountains of water came forth: before the mountains were settled, and before all hills, he begets me."
Proverbs 8:22
Yes, I think this translation is wrong.
It should be "father of the age to come", IMHO.
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The number patterns are in the original languages. The first pattern is in Genesis 1:1 which contains 7 words in the Hebrew. The gematria of these 7 words is 2701 (37 x 73).
What was wrong with the verses from Colossians that I posted yesterday? [or was it the day before?]
Colossians 1, John 1. The Son was there in the beginning. All things were created through him.
Exodus 3:14
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And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
I Am that I Am (אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh) The self-existent or eternal one.
That proves that God is eternal I agree, where does it show that Jesus the eternal God came out of th Father?
I know what what mongenes means lol it means 1 genes. It also means that that is when Jesus "came out of the Father"... his earthly body came out of him, not his eternal being.Here is a short page on it you may find helpful
https://www.gotquestions.org/only-begotten-son.html
It would be hard to argue a point when you don't accept what the verses say.
Son is not Father.
No matter what verse you want to use for that, its really against the Trinity doctrine.
Have you looked up the definition of establish?
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verb
- 1.
set up (an organization, system, or set of rules) on a firm or permanent basis.
"the British established a rich trade with Portugal"
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[TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
[TD]set up, start, initiate, institute, form, found, create, inaugurate; More
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achieve permanent acceptance or recognition for.
"the principle of the supremacy of national parliaments needs to be firmly established"
Establish does not mean begotten or monogenes.
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Please, notice what I made bold - begets.
"The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works.
He established me before time began, before he made the earth: even before he made the depths; before the fountains of water came forth: before the mountains were settled, and before all hills, he begets me."
Proverbs 8:22
Son is not Father.
No matter what verse you want to use for that, its really against the Trinity doctrine.
There is no argument against the godhead, the argument is the eternal Christ coming out of the Father.... is not true in no way shape or form.
You are also arguing that Son is Father (based on your version of Is 9:6), so I am confused how is that a no argument against Trinity...
AmazingWord - Messages often overlooked in the Bible (KJV, NIV, NASB...): God's Number 37 - theme tells of perfection/sanctification/being saved...
This article is from 2010 and is about the number 37 and the Bible. Whoever wrote this article is quoting a NASB (for sure in Psalm 37:37). The point is here is a person using a modern bibles discussing number patterns of 37 who is not some KJVO. This is just an example of why the opinions of people can be easily dismissed because they are not grounded in truth.
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