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Seriously...LOL
You are NOT going to get a lot of love here with silly claims like this.
The RCC did not exist for centuries later than Peter.
The RCC could not even have nominally existed prior to 1054, despite the wild claims of the patriarch of Rome (one of the issues that led to the great schism).
Before this there was just the church, an imperfect one full of problems to be sure.
After 1054, yes, the church in Rome and what became the Orthodox church separated further to become very different entities.
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There is no unbroken line of Apostolic succession from Peter through to the current Pope. Just a fiction, worthy of a Dan Brown novel!
And you know of course that the term "Pope" is derived from the word "Papa" and was coined by people in the eastern churches (those that would later become the Orthodox Church) as a term of endearment in the days when the Patriarch of Rome was actually instrumental in doing something useful, like settle doctrinal debates amongst various eastern congregations.
The current definition of "Pope" and titles of the Pope is another fiction without Biblical foundation.
(If there is no such thing as Apostolic succession, and there is not, then none of the current claims stack up.)
I think you need to understand that the version of history (and theology) taught by the RCC is really just a Dan Brown novel - a creative mix of just a little bit of truth here and there mixed in with a lot of imagination!
You are NOT going to get a lot of love here with silly claims like this.
The RCC did not exist for centuries later than Peter.
The RCC could not even have nominally existed prior to 1054, despite the wild claims of the patriarch of Rome (one of the issues that led to the great schism).
Before this there was just the church, an imperfect one full of problems to be sure.
After 1054, yes, the church in Rome and what became the Orthodox church separated further to become very different entities.
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There is no unbroken line of Apostolic succession from Peter through to the current Pope. Just a fiction, worthy of a Dan Brown novel!
And you know of course that the term "Pope" is derived from the word "Papa" and was coined by people in the eastern churches (those that would later become the Orthodox Church) as a term of endearment in the days when the Patriarch of Rome was actually instrumental in doing something useful, like settle doctrinal debates amongst various eastern congregations.
The current definition of "Pope" and titles of the Pope is another fiction without Biblical foundation.
(If there is no such thing as Apostolic succession, and there is not, then none of the current claims stack up.)
I think you need to understand that the version of history (and theology) taught by the RCC is really just a Dan Brown novel - a creative mix of just a little bit of truth here and there mixed in with a lot of imagination!
Well, there's a lot of issues brought up here. I'll be going through and trying to take topics one at a time.
The main point for me being Catholic though are that Jesus started one Church and it has continued to this day, and from historical evidence, I believe that is the Catholic Church.
I hope to have many more hours of conversation here.
Thanks for the dialogue and God bless.
The main point for me being Catholic though are that Jesus started one Church and it has continued to this day, and from historical evidence, I believe that is the Catholic Church.
I hope to have many more hours of conversation here.
Thanks for the dialogue and God bless.
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Don't trust history. Trust the bible (I know your church tells you not to trust the bible but them, that should be your first clue)
Ask yourself. Does the catholic church (as you see it today) resemble anything about the churches in acts? Or any of the other churches.
You will find the answer to be no. Now ask why
Ask yourself. Does the catholic church (as you see it today) resemble anything about the churches in acts? Or any of the other churches.
You will find the answer to be no. Now ask why
That would be a problem, except I beleive that the Holy Spirit guides the Church and keeps it from error in teachings on faith and morals. As Jesus says in Mt 16:18
18 [FONT="]And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.[/FONT]
18 [FONT="]And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.[/FONT]
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Thats prety dangerous, WHat if a man in charge wants to change things? God will not force a man to go against his will. oh, And the rock that he built the churhc on was not peter. Different words were used. Peter was called the pebble, or smaller rock, Jesus was the cornerstone of the church not peter.
The concept of tradition is a convenient excuse for the Roman Catholic magisterium to teach whatever they desire and call it the Word of God without any accountability whatsoever. Tradition is the magician’s hat, out of which the Roman Catholic magisterium can pull out any theological rabbit that it wishes and call it the Word of God. 
That is the problem to me. The Bible plus anything can lead one astray. The most important thing is to seek what God wants.
Who is he? What is his message? What is important to him?
Israel got into trouble time and again because they worshipped God but then set up something else beside him or in addition to him. Building an alter to "Our God YHVH" is right. Our God YHVH + Our Goddess Ashtoreth = trouble.
Catholicism has a good base, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They honour Jesus. I know many Catholics believe in and love Jesus. But The RCC sets up others beside Jesus. We must worship God as he has asked us to. We can't have worship of The Lord God alongside the bowing and genuflecting to The Queen of Heaven. It's something God has told us he hates.
This is hard for me. I find it difficult when speaking to Catholics who won't be honest about the religious practices. When you have done these things all your life they seem normal but please consider what God really wants over what tradition teaches.
Jesus taught the Pharisees how he felt regarding the traditions of men if they are exalted too highly. Mark 7
5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’ [Is 29:13]
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
Who is he? What is his message? What is important to him?
Israel got into trouble time and again because they worshipped God but then set up something else beside him or in addition to him. Building an alter to "Our God YHVH" is right. Our God YHVH + Our Goddess Ashtoreth = trouble.
Catholicism has a good base, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They honour Jesus. I know many Catholics believe in and love Jesus. But The RCC sets up others beside Jesus. We must worship God as he has asked us to. We can't have worship of The Lord God alongside the bowing and genuflecting to The Queen of Heaven. It's something God has told us he hates.
This is hard for me. I find it difficult when speaking to Catholics who won't be honest about the religious practices. When you have done these things all your life they seem normal but please consider what God really wants over what tradition teaches.
Jesus taught the Pharisees how he felt regarding the traditions of men if they are exalted too highly. Mark 7
5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’ [Is 29:13]
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
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Catholic church had its start in Rome when the pagans of Pergamon decided to move to Rome with all their idolatries and lies.
Pergamon enjoyed centuries of prosperity that continued when it passed peacefully to Rome’s control in 133 B.C. From that point on, Pergamon’s fate was inextricably linked to that of Rome, and it rose and fell in tandem with the great Roman Empire.
https://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html
catholics are pagans doomed to destruction.
Pergamon enjoyed centuries of prosperity that continued when it passed peacefully to Rome’s control in 133 B.C. From that point on, Pergamon’s fate was inextricably linked to that of Rome, and it rose and fell in tandem with the great Roman Empire.
https://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html
catholics are pagans doomed to destruction.
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why would you kick start this very old thread and end with catholics are pagans doomed to destruction?
that's in very poor taste IMO and you just joined to boot
seems you might have joined to bash Catholics
not a good reason to join a site that is supposed to be for the purpose of discussing Christianity...not bashing others
we are all doomed to destruction without Christ...
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