KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES
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This gets a little sticky lol. The Father and the son are both outside of time so there is no such thing as "I will be" or "he shall be" to God. Those verses are for us in space time, those things "will be and shall be" for us, not for God. This is how I see it.
I'm not speaking for hornetguy but those relationships have nothing to do with the temporal realm because is not a part of the temporal system. So the relationship just "is", no more can be said than "it is".
I am getting to be more and more confused about what you believe
So was there Father-Son releationship eternally before the incarnation of Christ or not?
I am getting to be more and more confused about what you believe
So was there Father-Son releationship eternally before the incarnation of Christ or not?
If God is outside of time, how is there a "before" the incarnation to God? The word before only applies to people living in space time, those things don't apply to God, God just is.... the relationship between the Father and the Son just is.
I need to fix this Trof I see why you can't understand what I said.
I'm not speaking for hornetguy but those relationships have nothing to do with the temporal realm because God is not part of the temporal system. So the relationship between God the Father and God the Son just "is".
Yes, the Authorized Version of the Holy Bible is the standard of truth. As all comparison proves unerringly.
I have proven and can always prove corruption abounds in the modern unauthorized versions of bibles.
What is impossible with man is possible with God. The Holy Ghost, therefore, in doing what Jesus said the Comforter would do, has accomplished the publishing of the Authorized Version of the scriptures.
Corruption of scripture is provable by scripture. You know what the scripture says...
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ...
So, you know that scripture proves what is truth and what things are lies. It can correct you if you quote a modern version Bible. It will expose the falsehood in false teachings. It corrects mistakes translators make. It tells us what is right.
And so, the Holy Ghost uses scripture to do all those great things.
If your reading of corrupt modern bible versions can’t be corrected by comparison of them against the Authorized Version, then there’s nothing that can be done to help you escape corruption. And if you don’t care enough to test all things then your a casual reader of scripture.
You can’t be Jesus’ disciple if you don’t continue in his word.
John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Because we do have the holy scriptures we can become Jesus’ disciples.
Without the Authorized Version as a standard we’d be unable to know God’s word and believe it.
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Maybe you could post evidence to back up your claims... at least some type of argument instead of just statements.
What it reveals is that as the “only begotten Son”, Jesus of Nazareth is the Word made flesh by means of conception.This gets a little sticky lol. The Father and the son are both outside of time so there is no such thing as "I will be" or "he shall be" to God. Those verses are for us in space time, those things "will be and shall be" for us, not for God. This is how I see it.
If anyone is absolutely famous for nit-picking, as well making massive issues out of trivia it is KJV1611.You know, I never thought I'd be "defending" KJV1611, but I think you guys are being nit-picky and harsh for no reason at all... from what I've read, he believes exactly the way scripture states it... at least as far as we humans can comprehend. He's NOT saying anything heretical at all. I suspect you are all saying the same thing, just using different terms.
This silliness needs to stop. Constant nit-picking over jots and tittles.
Not to mention making, shall we say, controversial theological statements, not least his KJVO stance.
He also argues vigorously against orthodoxy.
In addition his employment of quantum physics to apparently prove his point is dodgy - how does he explain the relationship between the persons of the Godhead when they actually operate within the time-space constraints of the universe. He does not know as much about quantum physics as he thinks...
That is all I will say.
His track record since he joined this forum speaks for itself.
Maybe the shoe you want him to wear doesn’t fit.I am getting to be more and more confused about what you believe
The KJV may be the standard you use, but it isn't any kind of objective standard for everyone.
You haven't proven anything to anyone who doesn't already hold to a KJV-only position. Proving something to yourself is irrelevant.
Have you read The King James Only Controversy yet? If not, then you haven't tested all things.
What a ludicrous statement. It is completely without foundation or merit.
The Word didn’t become flesh until Jesus of Nazareth was born.
And God can set time limits on himself if he pleases.
I gave two scriptures.Maybe you could post evidence to back up your claims... at least some type of argument instead of just statements.
And you didn’t present scriptural correction of anything I posted.
What would you like to have as proof?
That there exists a; authorized, holy book of scriptures on earth?
What?
The Authorized Version has authority over everyone and everything.
Denial will not help you escape God’s written word.
Opinion is of no scriptural importance. The scripture proves itself. All man can do is either believe or deny it until death. Denial won’t erase what God has written.
I find proving all things to be needful and so, that’s what I do.
I have no interest in such stupid nonsense.
But, hey present the best argument the book has and let’s see how silly a book it is.
I know better.
To get you to be dismissive of the Authorized Version is why heathen scholars invented modern corrupt versions.
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You remind me of Clinton when he said "what the meaning of is' is." I hope you like the comparison because I'm sure you are a fan.
This is what happens when ppl with single digit IQ’s are allowed on the internet, Brother Dino.