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yes, triple Love, just something i heard.
LightLoveHope, guess i heard Love in Hope.
Show you something about a Fig Tree with Fruit.
Where a man nourished for a season was invited to Sup with The Lord.
Luke 19 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
19 Yeshua entered Yericho and was passing through, 2 when a man named Zakkai appeared who was a chief tax-collector and a wealthy man. 3 He was trying to see who Yeshua was; but, being short, he couldn’t, because of the crowd. 4 So he ran on ahead and climbed a fig tree in order to see him, for Yeshua was about to pass that way.
5 When he came to the place, he looked up and said to him,
“Zakkai! Hurry! Come down, because I have to stay at your house today!”
6 He climbed down as fast as he could and welcomed Yeshua joyfully.
7 Everyone who saw it began muttering,
“He has gone to be the house-guest of a sinner.”
8 But Zakkai stood there and said to the Lord,
“Here, Lord, I am giving half of all I own to the poor; and if I have cheated anyone, I will pay him back four times as much.”
9 Yeshua said to him,
“Today salvation has come to this house, inasmuch as this man too is a son of Avraham.
For the Son of Man came to seek and save what was lost.”
LightLoveHope, guess i heard Love in Hope.
Show you something about a Fig Tree with Fruit.
Where a man nourished for a season was invited to Sup with The Lord.
19 Yeshua entered Yericho and was passing through, 2 when a man named Zakkai appeared who was a chief tax-collector and a wealthy man. 3 He was trying to see who Yeshua was; but, being short, he couldn’t, because of the crowd. 4 So he ran on ahead and climbed a fig tree in order to see him, for Yeshua was about to pass that way.
5 When he came to the place, he looked up and said to him,
“Zakkai! Hurry! Come down, because I have to stay at your house today!”
6 He climbed down as fast as he could and welcomed Yeshua joyfully.
7 Everyone who saw it began muttering,
“He has gone to be the house-guest of a sinner.”
8 But Zakkai stood there and said to the Lord,
“Here, Lord, I am giving half of all I own to the poor; and if I have cheated anyone, I will pay him back four times as much.”
9 Yeshua said to him,
“Today salvation has come to this house, inasmuch as this man too is a son of Avraham.
For the Son of Man came to seek and save what was lost.”
Philippians 2:1-11 Imitating Christ’s Humility If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Proverbs 21:21-24 He who pursues righteousness and love finds life, prosperity and honor. A wise man attacks the city of the mighty and pulls down the stronghold in which they trust. He who guards his mouth and his tongue keeps himself from calamity. The proud and arrogant man—“Mocker” is his name; he behaves with overweening pride.
Proverbs 16:18-21 pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud. Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers, and blessed is he who trusts in the Lord. The wise in heart are called discerning, and pleasant words promote instruction.
Proverbs 16:18-21 pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud. Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers, and blessed is he who trusts in the Lord. The wise in heart are called discerning, and pleasant words promote instruction.
If you were being honest, you would recognize that I have established how I use language. I do not mince words. I shoot straight. My yes means yes and my no means no. Of course you do not see this. You just come against me because that is your modus operandi. You distort what people say, and misrepresent what they believe, and then wonder why people oppose you. You are an unrepentant liar who crows about their righteousness. See? No mincing of words there 
You talk about me as if I have something bad to say about you.
I am just curious what you have against me, speaking in the general so much.
"You are an unrepentant liar"
"crows about their righteousness"
Ironic. I do not crow about my righteousness. I shout and sing that Christ
has purified and cleansed me, healed me, and made me whole. This is nothing
that I have done, but that which He has done in my life.
Paul himself said how pure, holy, blameless he had behaved along with the other
believers with him. So if you condemn me for sin in doing this, you are also condemning
Paul.
I have repentented of all the sin I am aware of in my life and hold nothing against
anyone. So I would be glad to know the sin you accuse me of, and the lying you
say I do. You are commanded if you have something against me to tell me, so that
we might be restored and have fellowship in Christ.
This assumes this is possible, which from your sharing, I would suggest is not acceptable
from your side.
So my dear lady, I fear it is you who are caught lying, and you who are in sin and need
to repent of an unjustified attack on me, which before the Lord dishonors the faith you
claim to hold dear. It challenges you standing in Him and your eternal future.
I know many within your group are happy to abuse, slander, desecrate and bear false
witness, as if this means nothing in the Lord. The more you do this, the harder you heart
becomes and the further from Christ you become. Love is very simple, yet you claim your
yes is yes and your no is no, yet it appears not to be true.
J
Yeah it is "tough enough" understanding each other without "added extras" but I do understand wanting to use Jewish language instead of English it does sound interesting but as you pointed out this site is "primarily" Christian so it would be "less tough" on everyone using a Christian bible for scriptures unless he wouldn't mind some side notes as to what they "mean".
A
Want to know your faults & sins?
False accusation....(would say give a number but have since lost track)
"I know many within your group are happy to abuse, slander, desecrate and bear false
witness, as if this means nothing in the Lord."
As far as I know most people don't believe they are doing any of those things. Everyone I know says those this are NOT okay with God.
False accusation....(would say give a number but have since lost track)
"I know many within your group are happy to abuse, slander, desecrate and bear false
witness, as if this means nothing in the Lord."
As far as I know most people don't believe they are doing any of those things. Everyone I know says those this are NOT okay with God.
Funnily in part you are right but in the context of this forum, no.
After having discussion with many, there is often a double standard and arguments
are attempted from both angles. where it appears one can agree and then suddenly
it turns out they do not.
If you hold for instance behavior can be anything after coming to faith, works are
not necessary or inevitable. Many times on this very thread this point has been
made, and the response has been from members that they could have no fruit and
still be saved. Individuals may well not agree with this, but it becomes tired to lie
about such a simple fundamental point of the Free Grace theology.
Now each time people attempt such an approach, I repeat this explanation, because
I believe in answering and establishing ones points and beliefs so it is like a light shinning
in the darkness. It is what we are called by Christ to do, not because we are obedient,
but because this is the way of truth and Gods will.
After having discussion with many, there is often a double standard and arguments
are attempted from both angles. where it appears one can agree and then suddenly
it turns out they do not.
If you hold for instance behavior can be anything after coming to faith, works are
not necessary or inevitable. Many times on this very thread this point has been
made, and the response has been from members that they could have no fruit and
still be saved. Individuals may well not agree with this, but it becomes tired to lie
about such a simple fundamental point of the Free Grace theology.
Now each time people attempt such an approach, I repeat this explanation, because
I believe in answering and establishing ones points and beliefs so it is like a light shinning
in the darkness. It is what we are called by Christ to do, not because we are obedient,
but because this is the way of truth and Gods will.
Speaking in the general? No I have been specific with you, and this is part of your problem, as you want to generalize, reducing much to your pseudo psycho babble, like telling me any statement using the word "nobody" is ALWAYS a lie.
How odd that you forget so soon that you just told me how you gossip to your church group and how amazed they are that anybody else knows Scriptures. Do you tell them too of the lies you tell here about what others believe and teach? No, I'll bet you do not. That is part and parcel of how unreal you are. You are constantly upholding yourself as if you are some shining example of what it is to walk in the Spirit, when you have been proven false at many turns, by many different people.
Go look in the mirror. I find interacting with liars like you distasteful. You call the truth a lie, over and over and over again.
How odd that you forget so soon that you just told me how you gossip to your church group and how amazed they are that anybody else knows Scriptures. Do you tell them too of the lies you tell here about what others believe and teach? No, I'll bet you do not. That is part and parcel of how unreal you are. You are constantly upholding yourself as if you are some shining example of what it is to walk in the Spirit, when you have been proven false at many turns, by many different people.
Go look in the mirror. I find interacting with liars like you distasteful. You call the truth a lie, over and over and over again.