Before he was even born God heard your prayer and has certainly answered it. It is God's will and desire that none shall perish.
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Before he was even born God heard your prayer and has certainly answered it. It is God's will and desire that none shall perish.
So persons aren't lost in their sins unless they hear the Gospel. Gotcha. Hmmmm. Scriptures says all mankind is lost outside of Christ, and that he is the only way to the Father. That leaves zero grey areas.
Why don't you go and read Romans chapter 1...
You may find the grey crystallises into black and white!
Try and read the Bible!
I mean... to deny Christians have different interpretations would be to deny there aren't multiple denominations. You clearly read at least part of my post in response to your question, but did you not read the examples I gave which illustrate my point? Can you really say it's a "copout" to say one Christian can read a passage and get something entirely different than another?
The clear copout is as I said earlier... Telling someone who disagrees with your interpretation (whether you're right or wrong) that they are an antichrist or that they don't believe in the bible. Even if the other person is in error and you are the correct one, you don't know the other person's heart. Being "mistaken" is not rebellion towards God or God's word. "Mistaken" and "deceit" are not synonymous no matter how much someone wants it to be.
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Also, you made a claim that I was "proclaiming" it's okay they didn't accept Christ in his life... or something to that effect... I'm not entirely sure... Can you copy and paste where I even made a statement in regards to Hawking's afterlife other than I'm grieved by the uncertainty of it? I never made a judgement call if he is or isn't saved... I'm thankful I'm not the one that has to decide that. I'll let God, the only perfect Judge, judge him. Hawking's salvation is independent of my own, and I won't speculate because believing he is in Hell or Heaven, I could be wrong... I'll focus on my own salvation and let God do the casting down to Hell... it's not meant for us imperfect children to do.
Also, you made a claim that I was "proclaiming" it's okay they didn't accept Christ in his life... or something to that effect... I'm not entirely sure... Can you copy and paste where I even made a statement in regards to Hawking's afterlife other than I'm grieved by the uncertainty of it? I never made a judgement call if he is or isn't saved... I'm thankful I'm not the one that has to decide that. I'll let God, the only perfect Judge, judge him. Hawking's salvation is independent of my own, and I won't speculate because believing he is in Hell or Heaven, I could be wrong... I'll focus on my own salvation and let God do the casting down to Hell... it's not meant for us imperfect children to do.
Another prime example of Christians having different "interpretations" in this very thread was the age of accountability. We can read the word of God and conclude that there is such a thing... while others read it and don't believe in such a thing as there wasn't a specific age mentioned. Both make logical sense to me how and why they arrived at their conclusion, both sides still BELIEVE in the bible... neither is being deceitful, but clearly one is right and one is wrong.
It's not a copout to point to facts. As one of my other personal hero says (Ben Shapiro), "facts don't care about your feelings". Then again, the same Christians who doom Hawking to Hell will doom Ben Shaprio (a Jew) to Hell for not accepting Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour... I could go on and on about how Christians don't agree on biblical interpretations.
It's not a copout to point to facts. As one of my other personal hero says (Ben Shapiro), "facts don't care about your feelings". Then again, the same Christians who doom Hawking to Hell will doom Ben Shaprio (a Jew) to Hell for not accepting Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour... I could go on and on about how Christians don't agree on biblical interpretations.
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You didn't have any knowledge of God until someone told you about Him. God is everywhere, yes. However, that doesn't mean everyone knows who God is. If the latter was the case, why does the Bible instruct to make all nations hear His name? That sounds redundant.
As I stated earlier, people with severe mental health issues aren't competent enough to stand trial. Not to mention the fact they can't understand the concept sin and the Gospel. If you're going to cherry pick, try to do a better job next time and read more than one partial post.
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That ben will go to hell for being a Jew.
The Bible often is clear on issues, such as coming to Christ as the only way to be saved, but often times people will ignore these clear verses for their own sake. Just like I did in my lbgt life before Christ, or just like the anti semite who refuses to accept that the Jews are not the enemy of God.
Hrmm, I see what you're saying. I honestly haven't given the proper studying of this topic as I should. In spite of the countless debates of this topic, I never studied Romans 11 in depth to figure it out. Thanks for posting, I'll be studying this tonight. I'm quite curious.
Also, I agree some people deliberately ignore scripture. I've done it myself too, in my younger years. However, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to people believing something differently. Maybe they have a secret bias motive, but I think more often than not, people believe what they say they believe... even if they are mistaken.
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Hrmm, I see what you're saying. I honestly haven't given the proper studying of this topic as I should. In spite of the countless debates of this topic, I never studied Romans 11 in depth to figure it out. Thanks for posting, I'll be studying this tonight. I'm quite curious.
Also, I agree some people deliberately ignore scripture. I've done it myself too, in my younger years. However, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to people believing something differently. Maybe they have a secret bias motive, but I think more often than not, people believe what they say they believe... even if they are mistaken.
Yeah definitely. I usually try to avoid "end times" stuff because that IS the deep and complicated stuff. I mean yeah Im obviously biased and have strong opinions on it, but its also one of thw things that I could (though probly dont : p ) have totally wrong.
When I point out something like Christ being the only way to God stuff though, I get that there are reasons people dont acnowledge it, but I believe thats the most clearly defined teachings of Christianity. And despite appearances, I dont call people out just to stroke my own ego or whatever, I do want them to know the same warnings Ive been given, and I believe that clear language is the best way to get the point across.
I dont personally have anything against the person I reaponded to, but I cannot find anything that can back up what shes teaching, and I believe that what she is saying is dangerous.
I thank God that perhaps now! his followers, may find some 'peace and assurance,
through Jesus' Holy Truth;..
through Jesus' Holy Truth;..
Try Constantine and the RCC circa: Council of Nicea 325 AD. The Papacy became so apostate they had an illegitimate (bastard) Pope. Corrupted the scriptures and sold forgiveness for sins. Along came the Protestant Reform: They carry on with most of the Catholic dogma. We are throwing off all that error and we let the HS interpret scripture.
It was considered a curse by the Jewish people of Christ's time to have your body burned in the city dump (Gehenna). Only derelicts, thieves and murderers had that to happen. Think of it as a disgrace to one's name or memory.
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Susanna
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Harsh words my friend.
Now tell me why I'm doing such a heinous thing like denying the Gospel of Christ. And your story better be good.
You are very close to playing God now.
Take this advice: Don't.
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joefizz
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Ok...........?
When did this thread go from "Stephen Hawking has died" to "blah blah blah blah"?
seriously what does it accomplish?
Bible discussion forum is exit stage right you know»»»»»»»»» to discuss "another subject".
When did this thread go from "Stephen Hawking has died" to "blah blah blah blah"?
seriously what does it accomplish?
Bible discussion forum is exit stage right you know»»»»»»»»» to discuss "another subject".
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Thats because Billy was getting closer to the truth not further away from it. All it takes to be saved is a heart for God. Oh trust me, Jesus is the only one who saves and our only redeemer and sacrifice, and all who enter into the body come through him, but it isnt as you corrupted christians believe, with your corrupted minds and hearts that you have to do it the way you think you have to do it. You are no different than the saducees and pharasees that Jesus cursed. SAD seize. Phar seize christ sieze. Just as those first age false leaders seized the law and used it to impose their will on others they had power over, so too the adulterated christians have done the very same thing in this age. It will happen in the age to come in a different but similar way.
God wrote all he wrote for a reason. You may have read the words, lean not to your own understanding but I tell you the truth, you have put your trust more in your own corrupted heart and soul, more than you have in Our God who is without blemish and whom you should have trusted as His words tell you to. Repent and trust him now. We want you to remain in the body. My will is the same as God's will for, God desires that all be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. It really isnt your fault you thought this way. You didnt corrupt your own thinking. You are here now. this is good. Choose your path very carefully now. Today you will see many amazing things. They are all from our God. He is testifying to the world about his witnesses. Gods peace be with you.
