The Bible and the Number 5

posthuman · Mar 16, 2018

awesome

and 1/3 said "we are your servants" to the man of God -- as 1/3 of the angels said the opposite to God. redemption? that's Christ

the angels saw all that happened, too, it's not *just* for humans to witness

KJV1611 · Mar 16, 2018

preacher4truth said:

I thought it was short for gee whiz.... does that still mean I used the lords name in vain even though it was in ignorance?

tourist · Mar 16, 2018

After analyzing the calculations in your OP I believe that you have missed a decimal point.

KJV1611 · Mar 16, 2018

posthuman said:

their not 'equated' but they are related. it is one story, from the beginning of 2 Kings through the 42 mauled by 2 female bears, and it is very complex, and every bit of it happened and is told to us specifically in the way that they are. you don't get "2 Kings 2" without "2 Kings 1" -- the chapters and verses are artificial. but ((in context of OP)) focusing on them, you aren't able to even ask questions like "why 42 instead of 50?" and "why 2 bears, why female?" -- much less address them. 50 is important. it is not accidental. but the meaning is not "ooooh it's evenly divisible by 5" or "ooooh here's another number with 5 as one of the digits"

it is about Jesus Christ. find Him in these passages, and we start to find meaning. if you want to do it with numbers, ok, great, i love math, show me -- but that doesn't mean rattle off random numbers at me. "oh, 11" -- what question is that answering?

He's not just rattling numbers off if you understand what he's talking about, the numbers in the Bible are just as important as the words, he's trying to show how the numbers relate to the text.

posthuman · Mar 16, 2018

KJV1611 said:

i think you're right about geez being a shortened gee whiz but i think he's also right about gee having originated as a shortened 'Jesus' - as though you caught yourself before finishing saying His name

and i don't think you need to do 51 mea culpas, but you might want to, and if you do, hey i certainly don't condemn you

Angela53510 · Mar 16, 2018

James37 said:

Theosophy is scary. Pretty sure I said that. Pretty sure it related to my being unsaved. Pretty sure I have said over and over that God saved me directly out of the New Age movement, with only a Catholic modern translation to guide me. But, God used it! And the living presence of the Holy Spirit.

And yes, I am comparing theosophy to what you are doing, because they are both esoteric, and really have no meaning with regards to the purpose of the Bible - which is to reveal the person and work of Jesus Christ.

Which none of this nonsense does in any language or version. It just screams "crazy, crazy, crazy!" to me! Maybe I have spent too much time working with the mentally ill?

Besides, I glorify God for how he saved me, from so much evil. Although, I confess I did walk away from theosophy before I got saved, because it was so obviously insane.

And no, I won't even google a page of Alice Bailey. That would be just wrong. Suffice it to say, this nonsense it not even good gematria, and you have lost your first love!

Not a Bible translation, and proving it right with ridiculous and unrelated number patterns, but Jesus Christ! All you KJV Onlyers don't even come on other threads which are not about Bible versions. That is very sad, to have lost Jesus, and let this kind of number insanity take over your life. You have substituted the living God, for a bunch of chicken scratch, which has nothing to do with knowing or serving or obeying God. And that is pathetic, and unbelievably sad! Especially because what your are posting is just cobbled together number patterns, with no meaning. SAD!

James37 · Mar 16, 2018

posthuman said:

The 153rd person was spared and the 3rd captain humbled himself before the "man of God" and was spared. There is a profound truth in this example for us and that is to be humble. It is a shadow type so we can't get carried away with it just as we can't get carried away with Old Testament types such as David being a type of Jesus Christ, Boaz being a type of Jesus Christ or even Samson who destroyed his enemies with his death. There are natural limitations in biblical typology.

LPT · Mar 16, 2018

posthuman said:

[video=youtube;sqEmYXZ8KEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqEmYXZ8KEc[/video]

preacher4truth · Mar 16, 2018

Angela53510 said:

Theosophy is scary. Pretty sure I said that. Pretty sure it related to my being unsaved. Pretty sure I have said over and over that God saved me directly out of the New Age movement, with only a Catholic modern translation to guide me. But, God used it! And the living presence of the Holy Spirit.

And yes, I am comparing theosophy to what you are doing, because they are both esoteric, and really have no meaning with regards to the purpose of the Bible - which is to reveal the person and work of Jesus Christ.

Which none of this nonsense does in any language or version. It just screams "crazy, crazy, crazy!" to me! Maybe I have spent too much time working with the mentally ill?

Besides, I glorify God for how he saved me, from so much evil. Although, I confess I did walk away from theosophy before I got saved, because it was so obviously insane.

And no, I won't even google a page of Alice Bailey. That would be just wrong. Suffice it to say, this nonsense it not even good gematria, and you have lost your first love!

Not a Bible translation, and proving it right with ridiculous and unrelated number patterns, but Jesus Christ! All you KJV Onlyers don't even come on other threads which are not about Bible versions. That is very sad, to have lost Jesus, and let this kind of number insanity take over your life. You have substituted the living God, for a bunch of chicken scratch, which has nothing to do with knowing or serving or obeying God. And that is pathetic, and unbelievably sad! Especially because what your are posting is just cobbled together number patterns, with no meaning. SAD!

AMEN!!!!!!!!

posthuman · Mar 16, 2018

KJV1611 said:

the text is one thing and the chapter and number designations are something else. lists of digits are one thing, and recognizable patterns and derivation of underlying formula that describe them are another. i've been hard on James since he joined the forum trying to press him towards looking at distributions of numbers in a formulaic, abstract way, to get away from just following specific trails of loosely related digits around and get into trying to establish an algebraic framework & model. to be able to generalize, and describe properties. to have rigorous definition and measure. because to me, that's math. not because i think he's nuts, but because as a mathematician & data analyst that's the kind of thing that's useful & interesting to me, and has meaning.

no matter what he does i'll probably still fuss. if i can. because that's what my math professors would do to me, too - for that matter art teachers, my swordfighting instructor or any other subject. it's how you improve models and exercises, by critiquing them

((hopefully James doesn't think i'm mean, and forgives me when i'm rude))

James37 · Mar 16, 2018

preacher4truth said:

Anela53510 tried to come off as she was some sort of authority when it comes to gematria because she read Alice Bailey or something like that. My point was is that this isn't gematria and I am not impressed that she read Alice Bailey. I am, however, happy that she left that junk (New Age) but the fact remains that she is not an authority on the subject at hand.

graceNpeace · Mar 16, 2018

James37 said:

Anela53510 tried to come off as she was some sort of authority when it comes to gematria because she read Alice Bailey or something like that. My point was is that this isn't gematria and I am not impressed that she read Alice Bailey. I am, however, happy that she left that junk (New Age) but the fact remains that she is not an authority on the subject at hand.

Neither are you....
This all random number generation...

KJV1611 · Mar 16, 2018

posthuman said:

the text is one thing and the chapter and number designations are something else. lists of digits are one thing, and recognizable patterns and derivation of underlying formula that describe them are another. i've been hard on James since he joined the forum trying to press him towards looking at distributions of numbers in a formulaic, abstract way, to get away from just following specific trails of loosely related digits around and get into trying to establish an algebraic framework & model. to be able to generalize, and describe properties. to have rigorous definition and measure. because to me, that's math. not because i think he's nuts, but because as a mathematician & data analyst that's the kind of thing that's useful & interesting to me, and has meaning.

no matter what he does i'll probably still fuss. if i can. because that's what my math professors would do to me, too - for that matter art teachers, my swordfighting instructor or any other subject. it's how you improve models and exercises, by critiquing them

((hopefully James doesn't think i'm mean, and forgives me when i'm rude))

I know your a good guy.

James37 · Mar 16, 2018

posthuman said:

Of course

I don't think it is realistic to develop a "function" or math formula to dissect the Bible. It isn't even possible in my view. What we can do is see a structure and order to the Bible simply by counting things. I have counted 8 out of the 21 verses in Revelation 22 so far and they all exhibit the same pattern. i asserted that I would do all 21 and I am confident that the remaining 13 will follow the trend. The King James Bible has the number 7 has it's controlling "geometry" so to speak and this can be proven using a computer.

Johnny_B · Mar 16, 2018

James37 said:

When the Bible was written and the books were finally brought together there were no chapter and verse brakes. Genesis looked like this,

“And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord.

This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.”

There were no numbers for chapters or verses, think about the verse brakes lots of them do not even make clear brake like at the end of a sentance, for instance Ephesians 1:3-6

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.”

Look at verse 5, it is two words after the sentance started, at least the others are at a comma or after a period. A new believer or non-believer reading this might and have thought that the word love is the end of the sentance. Making that part of the sentance read like this, "that we should be holy and blameless before hin in love" This verse brake has caused people to believe that they are holy and blameless because of love, when the love is about our predestination and adoption to the Father as sons in Jesus, it is about the Father's love for us not.

The sad part is I have heard people preach/teach these verses that way, that our being holy and blameless before him in love. Which makes it say that it is our love that causes us to be this way in Him.

James37 said:

KJV1611 said:

It seems that the dual meaning is life and death, my question is how do that work? You guys really need to stop you are controdicting each other now over something that is not inspired by God. It was a man made addition to the Bible as helpful as the aaddition of chapter and verse brakes are to help locate Scripture using them to add meaning to the Bible is men not taking heed to the warning of Revelation 22:18-19 “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”

With thise warning here are some FIVES for you, first from book five, then starting with verse five

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 “And now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the rules that I am teaching you, and do them, that you may live, and go in and take possession of the land that the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you.You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you.”

Proverbs 30:5-6 “Every word of God proves true;He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to his words,lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar.”

Come guys at those equations that you have to come up with to get where you want to go. I see all this trying to firure out what numbers add up to whatever like this.

James37 said:

What does this lead to nothing, these number don't take you to a verse or anything that bring more knowledge of the Lord to ones life for sactification or that cause you to grow in the grce and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. All these nembers lead to none sense. Can someone show me what the numbers 345, 270, 28, 300, 94, 20, 45 or 23 beings the knowledge orf grace of the Lord to ones life or lead to a deeper understanding of the Lord's attributes that would lead to salvation, sanctification or glorification of a non-believer or in the life of a believer?

Please someone help me understand how this brings a greater understanding of the Lord, how it glorifies the Lord or brings us closer to the Lord or did I just waist my time reading and replying to this thread?

posthuman · Mar 16, 2018

James37 said:

i do

i don't think it's easy at all -- but if you see a structure, it's somehow describable whether we know how to do it or not

James37 · Mar 16, 2018

graceNpeace said:

Never claimed to be and as usual no meat in your response. At least posthuman posts arguments that are thought out. You just drop an occasional opinion.

posthuman · Mar 16, 2018

LPT said:

[video=youtube;woSjg5QXVoM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSjg5QXVoM[/video]

LPT · Mar 16, 2018

James37 said:

Your one tuff cookie my friend, I admire that a lot, your patience in not letting the negative post spell out into words towards, I know it takes some biting the tongue just don't bite through it lol..

As Jesus once said they know not what they do...

I'm out for the weekend, as always I really enjoy learning some new things from your thread, James.

God Bless,

keep those numbers rolling.

James37 · Mar 16, 2018

posthuman said:

It is, if you happened upon a large hotel wth 77 floors, rooms that were a multiple of 7, windows that were a multiple of 7 and so on you would conclude someone intentionally encoded the number 7 in that hotel. Where I messed up was that I started to discuss the number 37 first ( I was excited) and didn't lay the proper foundation of the number 7. Any pattern in the King James Bible is full of 7' and these 7's converge in Revelation 22 in an astounding manner.

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