The Bible and the Number 5

[James37]

Your one tuff cookie my friend, I admire that a lot, your patience in not letting the negative post spell out into words towards, I know it takes some biting the tongue just don't bite through it lol..

As Jesus once said they know not what they do...

I'm out for the weekend, as always I really enjoy learning some new things from your thread, James.

God Bless,

keep those numbers rolling.

Thank you, I appreciate it. You have a wonderful weekend and may God Bless you as well

 

[Nehemiah6]

You have already equated 5 with a Whale meaning death? What does it mean now?

According to E. W. Bulliger writing in Number in Scripture, the number five represents grace. He says that nearly every measurement of the tabernacle was a multiple of 5.

 

[KJV1611]

It is, if you happened upon a large hotel wth 77 floors, rooms that were a multiple of 7, windows that were a multiple of 7 and so on you would conclude someone intentionally encoded the number 7 in that hotel. Where I messed up was that I started to discuss the number 37 first ( I was excited) and didn't lay the proper foundation of the number 7. Any pattern in the King James Bible is full of 7' and these 7's converge in Revelation 22 in an astounding manner.

I agree that it would have been a lot better to lay the foundation first.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Another get me out of this thread FAST gif...

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[Angela53510]

Anela53510 tried to come off as she was some sort of authority when it comes to gematria because she read Alice Bailey or something like that. My point was is that this isn't gematria and I am not impressed that she read Alice Bailey. I am, however, happy that she left that junk (New Age) but the fact remains that she is not an authority on the subject at hand.

You know, there is gematria, and then there is finding and making up numbers that show nothing.

For example, the first chapter of Matthew is the genealogy of Jesus. It has to do with the 7th son of a 7th son of a 7th son....

In fact, pretty much every commentary says that some generations were left out, to achieve that number pattern. But it had important significance in addressing the Jews, which Matthew was doing. So, he related to them from Jewish gematria, which also became the Jewish Kabbala. A much more "rigorous" use of gematria, than the NT or OT, and also esoteric. And it definitely led people away from God, much as you are trying to do.

And I have read a lot about the Jewish Kabbala, and in fact in my teacher training was able to witness to a fellow student who was Jewish and into the Kabbala, about Jesus because of some basic understanding. Not sure if he ever got saved or not.

And whether I am an expert on gematria, which I am NOT, is not the point of anything I have written. Although I am not a psychiatrist, when I see the stuff you are putting up, it seriously does not even remind me of true gematria, which finds patterns in the numbers, particularly in the Hebrew, and I have heard also in the Greek, it reminds me of utter nonsense.

Your posts are all over the place. If you are on 37, everything you do is to prove 36 +1 =37, or 30 (5 x 6) plus 7, a prime number = 37. Or the 37th verse of the 37th chapter of the 37th book of the bible. Except that one doesn't work, because Haggai is the 37th book of the bible, and it doesn't have 37 chapters. So don't post that not -proof of your paradigm. Only find things that work, because with numbers, you can do pretty much anything, to prove that the number 5.

2 + 3 = 5
10 - 5 = 5
2 x 5 = 10

Therefore the 2nd book of the Bible, 5th chapter, the 10th verse means:

"So the slave masters of the people and their foremen went to the Israelites and said, “Thus says Pharaoh: ‘I am not giving you straw." Exodus 5:10

Which proves conclusively that everything you have written is a straw man! And that was just a random pick. I'm sure I could prove over and over anything I set out to prove, without any kind of standard, any kind of methodology, including that the NET, which I used above, is a better version that the KJV. Which is ludicrous! If you want to talk manuscript evidence, well, that is solid ground.

But this stuff is playing you for a fool, at best!

 

[posthuman]

5 x 5 x 5 x 5​

[video=youtube;PG7SPENIXEU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG7SPENIXEU[/video]

 

[tourist]

Your one tuff cookie my friend, I admire that a lot, your patience in not letting the negative post spell out into words towards, I know it takes some biting the tongue just don't bite through it lol..

As Jesus once said they know not what they do...

I'm out for the weekend, as always I really enjoy learning some new things from your thread, James.

God Bless,

keep those numbers rolling.

I agree with you, this guy can take a punch that's for sure.

 

[LPT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSjg5QXVoM

see ya my friend,

[video=youtube;189yCdO2hk0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=189yCdO2hk0[/video]

 

[posthuman]

i literally just used a coupon code to order pizza and saved exactly 51 cents compared to what i usually pay

 

[tourist]

i literally just used a coupon code to order pizza and saved exactly 51 cents compared to what i usually pay

At least that calculation has a 5 in it.

 

[James37]

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Therefore the 2nd book of the Bible, 5th chapter, the 10th verse means:

"So the slave masters of the people and their foremen went to the Israelites and said, “Thus says Pharaoh: ‘I am not giving you straw." Exodus 5:10

And Exodus 5 has 23 verses (we get 23 chromosome pairs form Adam and Eve and die as they did because they hearkened to Satan (55 times in the KJB). Exodus 5 is the 55th book of the Bible and in the 23rd verse we read:


“For since I came to Pharaoh to speak in thy name, he hath done evil to this people; neither hast thou delivered thy people at all.” Exodus 5:23


Pharaoh is a type for Satan who has people in bondage but soon will overthrown by God (why do you think they sing the Song of Moses in Revelation!) Look around first and consider the biblical typology outlined in the scripture. The numbers will not make sense by themselves so we must "walk circumspectly" (Ephesians 5:15)

 

[James37]

According to E. W. Bulliger writing in Number in Scripture, the number five represents grace. He says that nearly every measurement of the tabernacle was a multiple of 5.

The altar as well since it was 5 x 5 x 3 cubits.

 

[Angela53510]

And Exodus 5 has 23 verses (we get 23 chromosome pairs form Adam and Eve and die as they did because they hearkened to Satan (55 times in the KJB). Exodus 5 is the 55th book of the Bible and in the 23rd verse we read:


“For since I came to Pharaoh to speak in thy name, he hath done evil to this people; neither hast thou delivered thy people at all.” Exodus 5:23


Pharaoh is a type for Satan who has people in bondage but soon will overthrown by God (why do you think they sing the Song of Moses in Revelation!) Look around first and consider the biblical typology outlined in the scripture. The numbers will not make sense by themselves so we must "walk circumspectly" (Ephesians 5:15)

"From the time I went to speak to Pharaoh in your name, he has caused trouble for this people, and you have certainly not rescued them!” Ex. 5:23

Therefore since there are 23 verses in Exodus 5, I find 23 chromosome pairs in Adam and Eve, who died, because they listened to Satan.

And NO! Exodus 5 is NOT

is the 55th book of the Bible

as you say! In fact, Exodus 5 the 55th chapter in the Bible. In EVERY SINGLE VERSION in English, German, French, etc, etc.

So, first error - you wrote it was the 55th BOOK, which tells me a lot of your calculations are probably wrong, too!

Second error, attributing this to only the KJV, when all versions, and have this, including the Hebrew Bible, although the book order of the Hebrew Bible changes later on, and is different from English. Starting somewhere after 2 Kings, Hebrew and English diverge. Now, I have the English book order memorized, so I will continue to use it.But, for this to be correct gematria, you will really have to follow the book order of the Hebrew Bible.

Third, you just slammed chromosomes together with Pharaoh. That is so hermeneutically wrong. I suppose you do that all the time. I just don't care to tear apart all the posts, where I am sure you do this constantly.

No, Exodus 5:23 has nothing to do with Genesis 1, or proving the number 23, This is obsessive and wrong numbering, nothing to do with gematria, either. You just took 2 totally unrelated things, and tied the 15th century verse address to the creation and fall of Adam and Eve? That is not acceptable, in either Bible interpretation or gematria.

Fourth, my version says exactly what you have metaphorically interpreted your jump off verse to say. I could put it under NET, or NIV, or ESV, or NKJV, or German or any other language.

And then you jump to Eph. 5:15?? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I am so done with you trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, and your pretending you have a clue about what the Bible or gematria are about.

"Therefore be very careful how you live—not as unwise but as wise," Eph. 5:15

You are not wise, not living very carefully, and you know nothing about Bible interpretation, mathematics or even gematria.

 

[James37]

Thank you for the correction. (55th chapter) Actually I connected them with Satan as Pharaoh is a type of Satan. The serpent speaks exactly 46 (23 x 2) words to Eve in the Garden of Eden. In other words he planted "corrupt seed" into mankind as opposed to good seed ("God said" = 46 times). As a result of that disobedience we all die!

Oh yeah. don't forget that you called Luke the 3rd book of the Bible but I knew what you meant.

 

[James37]

And then you jump to Eph. 5:15?? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I am so done with you trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, and your pretending you have a clue about what the Bible or gematria are about.

I quoted Ephesians 5:15 because you were looking at Exodus 5:10 with tunnel vision. "circumspectly" implies that you should look around when you walk. Quote them modern Bibles all you want but they don't amount to a "hill of beans" in my view.

 

[James37]

When the Bible was written and the books were finally brought together there were no chapter and verse brakes. Genesis looked like this,

“And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord.

This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.”

There were no numbers for chapters or verses, think about the verse brakes lots of them do not even make clear brake like at the end of a sentance, for instance Ephesians 1:3-6

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.”

Look at verse 5, it is two words after the sentance started, at least the others are at a comma or after a period. A new believer or non-believer reading this might and have thought that the word love is the end of the sentance. Making that part of the sentance read like this, "that we should be holy and blameless before hin in love" This verse brake has caused people to believe that they are holy and blameless because of love, when the love is about our predestination and adoption to the Father as sons in Jesus, it is about the Father's love for us not.

The sad part is I have heard people preach/teach these verses that way, that our being holy and blameless before him in love. Which makes it say that it is our love that causes us to be this way in Him.





It seems that the dual meaning is life and death, my question is how do that work? You guys really need to stop you are controdicting each other now over something that is not inspired by God. It was a man made addition to the Bible as helpful as the aaddition of chapter and verse brakes are to help locate Scripture using them to add meaning to the Bible is men not taking heed to the warning of Revelation 22:18-19 “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”

With thise warning here are some FIVES for you, first from book five, then starting with verse five

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 “And now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the rules that I am teaching you, and do them, that you may live, and go in and take possession of the land that the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you.You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you.”

Proverbs 30:5-6 “Every word of God proves true;He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to his words,lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar.”

Come guys at those equations that you have to come up with to get where you want to go. I see all this trying to firure out what numbers add up to whatever like this.



What does this lead to nothing, these number don't take you to a verse or anything that bring more knowledge of the Lord to ones life for sactification or that cause you to grow in the grce and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. All these nembers lead to none sense. Can someone show me what the numbers 345, 270, 28, 300, 94, 20, 45 or 23 beings the knowledge orf grace of the Lord to ones life or lead to a deeper understanding of the Lord's attributes that would lead to salvation, sanctification or glorification of a non-believer or in the life of a believer?

Please someone help me understand how this brings a greater understanding of the Lord, how it glorifies the Lord or brings us closer to the Lord or did I just waist my time reading and replying to this thread?

There are limits in Bible numerics just as in biblical typology. I think it is fair to say that Joseph and David are profound types of Jesus Christ found in the Old Testament. Does that mean everything they did was "Christ" like. No, they were sinners like you and me and in this respect all types break down. It is no different with numbers. What you can see is a general pattern, rhythm, and cadence to the numbers. I would recommend that you watch the videos that I posted in the initial post of this thread. Furthermore, no one who is opposed to this thread has addressed the 5's as it relates to the construction of the tabernacle. Do you think God just haphazardly encoded 5 into it's construction?

 

[LPT]

"From the time I went to speak to Pharaoh in your name, he has caused trouble for this people, and you have certainly not rescued them!” Ex. 5:23

Therefore since there are 23 verses in Exodus 5, I find 23 chromosome pairs in Adam and Eve, who died, because they listened to Satan.

And NO! Exodus 5 is NOT as you say! In fact, Exodus 5 the 55th chapter in the Bible. In EVERY SINGLE VERSION in English, German, French, etc, etc.

So, first error - you wrote it was the 55th BOOK, which tells me a lot of your calculations are probably wrong, too!

Second error, attributing this to only the KJV, when all versions, and have this, including the Hebrew Bible, although the book order of the Hebrew Bible changes later on, and is different from English. Starting somewhere after 2 Kings, Hebrew and English diverge. Now, I have the English book order memorized, so I will continue to use it.But, for this to be correct gematria, you will really have to follow the book order of the Hebrew Bible.

Third, you just slammed chromosomes together with Pharaoh. That is so hermeneutically wrong. I suppose you do that all the time. I just don't care to tear apart all the posts, where I am sure you do this constantly.

No, Exodus 5:23 has nothing to do with Genesis 1, or proving the number 23, This is obsessive and wrong numbering, nothing to do with gematria, either. You just took 2 totally unrelated things, and tied the 15th century verse address to the creation and fall of Adam and Eve? That is not acceptable, in either Bible interpretation or gematria.

Fourth, my version says exactly what you have metaphorically interpreted your jump off verse to say. I could put it under NET, or NIV, or ESV, or NKJV, or German or any other language.

And then you jump to Eph. 5:15?? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I am so done with you trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, and your pretending you have a clue about what the Bible or gematria are about.

"Therefore be very careful how you live—not as unwise but as wise," Eph. 5:15

You are not wise, not living very carefully, and you know nothing about Bible interpretation, mathematics or even gematria.

Matt
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The experts in the law and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore pay attention to what they tell you and do it. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they teach. 4 They tie up heavy loads, hard to carry, and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing even to lift a finger to move them. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by people, for they make their phylacteries wide and their tassels long. 6 They love the place of honor at banquets and the best seats in the synagogues 7 and elaborate greetings in the marketplaces, and to have people call them ‘Rabbi.’ 8 But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher and you are all brothers. 9 And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one teacher, the Christ.


11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

 

[Chester]

How am I supposed to respond to that? Did it make you feel good to make fun of one your fellow brothers in Christ?

Making fun? Well, I am just doing the same thing the entire thread is doing!

I am in complete agreement with what Angela posted in #49: though I think James37 is simply having innocent fun to see who he can fool (either that or he is just quite ignorant of what Scripture really says).

At the best it is a bunch of nonsense; at the worst it may cause serious seekers who come to CC to laugh at Christianity and leave!

 

[KJV1611]

Making fun? Well, I am just doing the same thing the entire thread is doing!

I am in complete agreement with what Angela posted in #49: though I think James37 is simply having innocent fun to see who he can fool (either that or he is just quite ignorant of what Scripture really says).

At the best it is a bunch of nonsense; at the worst it may cause serious seekers who come to CC to laugh at Christianity and leave!

So it's not possible in your mind that James actually knows something that you don't know and that he's trying to share his knowledge with you and others?

 

[James37]

Making fun? Well, I am just doing the same thing the entire thread is doing!

I am in complete agreement with what Angela posted in #49: though I think James37 is simply having innocent fun to see who he can fool (either that or he is just quite ignorant of what Scripture really says).

At the best it is a bunch of nonsense; at the worst it may cause serious seekers who come to CC to laugh at Christianity and leave!

I wasn't intentionally trying to make fun of anything....I actually posted links to two videos that most the naysayers if any even watched. I am simply posting evidence that backs up information that can be found in the videos.