Interesting that you use "peradventure" (correctly, I would add)... another of the KJVo's thought it was a verb. Context alone wasn't enough to teach him.
KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES
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Interesting that you use "peradventure" (correctly, I would add)... another of the KJVo's thought it was a verb. Context alone wasn't enough to teach him.
I pretty much agree with you on this but I think the population of words that give this problem is very small and insignificant except for words like authetein. But I don't see what ones view of women has any thing to do with the meaning of the verse.
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Avoideth ye the wappened bibles!
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God isn't surprised or anything about this of course, but here we have people trying to make KJVO cult disciples instead of preaching the Gospel and making disciples. Of course, a KJVO cultist will conflate the two. It "must needs be" as the deception runs deep among them.
And yet you seem to trip over these misunderstood words in the KJV all the time - and construct strange doctrine as a result...
And we haven't even got to how you seem to misunderstand contemporary English as well...
What's your point?
be·got·ten
biˈɡätn/
- past participle of beget
be·get
bəˈɡet/
verb literary
- 1.
(typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.
"they hoped that the King might beget an heir by his new queen"
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[TD]father, sire, have, bring into the world, give life to, bring into being, spawn"he begat a son"[/TD]
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- 2.
give rise to; bring about.
"success begets further success"
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[TD]cause, give rise to, lead to, result in, bring about, create, produce, generate, engender, spawn, occasion, bring on, precipitate, prompt, provoke, kindle, trigger, spark off, touch off, stir up, whip up, induce, inspire, promote; literaryenkindle
"violence begets violence"
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And we covered the fact that several uses of the word "begotten" in the KJV cannot have this meaning, did we not?
Because the Greek word "monogenes", translated "begotten" in the KJV, has none of the meanings of the English word "begotten", rather, the word "monogenes" means 'unique'.
Surely even you cannot have forgotten this - after all you were were the one trying to push strange doctrine as a result of your misunderstanding of various texts containing the word "begotten"....
So, yes, your unworkable theory that one can just interpret the KJV according to a contemporary understanding of English, falls flat on its face!
"molid" is a name,
[FONT="]“And the name of the wife of Abishur was Abihail, and she bare him Ahban, and Molid.” (2 Chronicles 2:29)[/FONT]
I have no idea what monogenes means now, much less 2000 years ago. But I do know that Jesus was the ONLY BEGOTTEN son of God.... note that I said ONLY BEGOTTEN. I am a son of God but God did not supply his DNA to my mother like God did to Mary.
Why is this a problem for you?
Your repeated assertion that the meaning of these words cannot be known, that they have been lost to history, is completely false - repetition will not make your false statements true!
The statement "only begotten Son of God" has nothing to do with having descendants or supplying DNA, it just means "unique Son of God" - thats it, nothing more and nothing less....
The problem, simply is this: every time anyone digs into your theological beliefs, we find it is based on a false understanding of Scripture.
It is clear that the root of the problem is your false view of Scripture - KJVOnlyism!
As a result you interpret, falsely, Scripture based on an incomplete understanding of contemporary English, never mind the English that was used by the translators of KJV in the 17th century, and you see this ignorance as a virtue!
Here's one for you graceNpeace.
Why was Isaac Abraham's ONLY BEGOTTEN (monogenes) son?
This one takes complete faith that every word of God is right. The Bible doesn't contradict itself so Ishmael completely rules out the possibility that that verse is talking about an earthly birth.
Do you know why Issac was Abraham's ONLY BEGOTTEN Son? Here's a hint.
Genesis 17:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Why was Isaac Abraham's ONLY BEGOTTEN (monogenes) son?
This one takes complete faith that every word of God is right. The Bible doesn't contradict itself so Ishmael completely rules out the possibility that that verse is talking about an earthly birth.
Do you know why Issac was Abraham's ONLY BEGOTTEN Son? Here's a hint.
Genesis 17:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Are you saying that Jesus was not the ONLY BEGOTTEN son of God? Your view is very strange and I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around what you believe.
Your ignorance precedes you again!
How would an OT word translated "begotten" have its meaning in the Greek word "monogenes"?????
The OT was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, not Greek!
This is a nonsensical question that just demonstrates your misunderstanding of everything Scripture....
Why don't you go and look up the Hebrew word that is used before making such silly assumptions!
For the first forty-five years of my life, the KJV was the only bible in my home. It was read and discussed daily. Through it my family developed an unquenchable desire to learn more about God.
A friend gave me a "Living Bible" and asked me to read it and let him know what I thought. All I could tell him was WOW! For the first time in my life, I found a book on the scriptures that anyone could read and understand. I had Bible study members actually partaking in discussions for the first time. It wasn't long before they were comparing the text of both Bibles to better understand God's word. Believe it or not, without exception, everyone still used the KJV as their primary Bible.
Over the years since, I have used several versions. I am still quite fond of my KJV, but I prefer the ESV. I carry 12 versions, along with a half dozen commentaries in my pocket every day. A far cry from my KJV New Testament with the Psalms of my youth. I love the ability actually study a scripture anytime, any where. Thank God for my Bible scripture comparison app, and all the resources that he gives me to hem me better understand his word.
By the way. I have no intention of throwing my KJV out, ever.
A friend gave me a "Living Bible" and asked me to read it and let him know what I thought. All I could tell him was WOW! For the first time in my life, I found a book on the scriptures that anyone could read and understand. I had Bible study members actually partaking in discussions for the first time. It wasn't long before they were comparing the text of both Bibles to better understand God's word. Believe it or not, without exception, everyone still used the KJV as their primary Bible.
Over the years since, I have used several versions. I am still quite fond of my KJV, but I prefer the ESV. I carry 12 versions, along with a half dozen commentaries in my pocket every day. A far cry from my KJV New Testament with the Psalms of my youth. I love the ability actually study a scripture anytime, any where. Thank God for my Bible scripture comparison app, and all the resources that he gives me to hem me better understand his word.
By the way. I have no intention of throwing my KJV out, ever.
Is this better lol. Just kind of proves one of my points that KJV uses the same consistent terminology from cover to cover.
Hebrews 11:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Well, what was the Greek word used in that passage that is translated "begotten"?
Is it "monogenes" or some other word?
And that tells you that the emphasis in that text is the fact that Isaac was the ONLY UNIQUE son of Abraham.
Yes, Isaac was a descendant of Abraham, but that is NOT the emphasis here.
If the author wanted to stress the fact that Isaac was simply a descendant of Abraham then he would have used a different word: "gennaó" that simply means 'to give birth to'.
This word "gennaó" is the basis of the word used in the begets passages found in both Matthew and Luke where the human lines of descent of Jesus is detailed.