KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[KJV1611]

K....,

See post 1982;

He was a sinner.... as a thief.
He knew Christ...strongly suggesting a previous following and study of scripture content.
He was confident of Christ power/position.
He exhibited faith......only a believer would.
His actions acknowledged that he was wrong and appealed for forgiveness....."remember me when"....

I can see your point and respect that.

 

[hornetguy]

K....,

See post 1982;

He was a sinner.... as a thief.
He knew Christ...strongly suggesting a previous following and study of scripture content.
He was confident of Christ power/position.
He exhibited faith......only a believer would.
His actions acknowledged that he was wrong and appealed for forgiveness....."remember me when"....

That is actually a VERY good point. I had never thought of it in that way. Excellent observations!

 

[KJV1611]

That is actually a VERY good point. I had never thought of it in that way. Excellent observations!

At the start of the crucifixtion both thieves reviled Jesus, does that sound like something a saved person would do on their death bed?


Mark 15:32 King James Version (KJV)

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

 

[hornetguy]

At the start of the crucifixtion both thieves reviled Jesus, does that sound like something a saved person would do on their death bed?


Mark 15:32 King James Version (KJV)

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

No, but I cannot see a saved believer publicly lying and denying that he even knew Jesus, either. Three times.

The facts are still that we are sinners by nature... we can be at any given point on a line between "good" and "bad" at nearly any time in our walk. The thief could have been at a very low, or "bad" point...

 

[KJV1611]

No, but I cannot see a saved believer publicly lying and denying that he even knew Jesus, either. Three times.

The facts are still that we are sinners by nature... we can be at any given point on a line between "good" and "bad" at nearly any time in our walk. The thief could have been at a very low, or "bad" point...

There's no evidence at all to say the man was saved, in fact all the evidence - he was a thief and he reviled Christ point to him being a lost person. I don't see how anyone could think for a moment that this guy was saved.... I guess I do have some strange views though lol.

 

[JohnOs]

Not letting you off the hook that easy. You said W&H altered the Greek. You made this accusation, now its up to you show where and how they altered it. You made the accusation, you back it up.

You obviously never heard of westcott and hort. They promoted their work as simplifying the Greek. It's all they did and promoted. So to tell me prove it means you are uneducated. It's no false accusation against them. It's their life's work and what they promoted to teach Greek.

 

[JohnOs]

We've studied that right here in THIS thread. And it's a false accusation. If anything it was the KJVO advocates that had the problem with the divinity of Christ. You would be about the 4th or 5th person that has tried to accuse the NIV in THIS thread alone of downgrading Jesus. It's a falsehood.

The niv replaced "is God" with "is Christ". Also a whole line is missing on the divinity of Christ.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The niv replaced "is God" with "is Christ". Also a whole line is missing on the divinity of Christ.

Determined to keep up the assault?

Shall I throw in the towel and draw the conclusion that The Holy Spirit is a liar?

 

[trofimus]

At the start of the crucifixtion both thieves reviled Jesus, does that sound like something a saved person would do on their death bed?


Mark 15:32 King James Version (KJV)

[FONT=&]32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.[/FONT]

Only one did. This is one of gospels inconsistency, IMHO.

Mark is generalizing.

 

[trofimus]

Luke 23:39-40, New International Version

"One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said..."

 

[KJV1611]

Only one did. This is one of gospels inconsistency, IMHO.

Mark is generalizing.

There's nothing inconsistent about the gospel. The only way to get the whole story is here a little there a little as the bible says. ALL gospels are in perfect harmony with one another.

If one believes the bible for exactly what it says, then both hurled insults at the start and then one of them had a change of heart after hanging on the cross for a while.

 

[MarcR]

There are two Christs in all of us who are saved. The Spirit of Christ which is the same in all of us, I think this is where our new nature comes from. And then there is the Christ in our minds, and yes that Christ is in us too.

Just to be clear I'm not saying in any way shape or form that people who read other versions are not saved or don't have the Spirit of Christ indwelling them. All I'm saying is that the Christ that we belief in is based solely one the words we read and the things we have been taught. If those words are corrupt then the Christ in our minds will be corrupt, not the Spirit of Christ that indwells all believers but the Chirst in our minds.

I think that you are ignoring the role of the Holy Spirit in a Believer's life.

1 Cor 1:18-25
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
KJV


It is the role of the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture in the mind of each believer to bring him/her to spiritual understanding.
This role is NOT translation dependent.

 

[trofimus]

There's nothing inconsistent about the gospel. The only way to get the whole story is here a little there a little as the bible says. ALL gospels are in perfect harmony with one another.

If one believes the bible for exactly what it says, then both hurled insults at the start and then one of them had a change of heart after hanging on the cross for a while.

Bible says nothing about start and then change. Thats only your hypothesis how to explain that Mark is generalizing while Luke is giving details.

Also, I did not say "inconsistent about the gospel." I said gospels (4 books called by that name).

 

[KJV1611]

Bible says nothing about start and then change in the Bible. Thats only your hypothesis how to explain that Mark is generalizing while Luke is giving details.

In your mind the bible is wrong so you go with your story - the bible has errors. I believe the bible is right so I accept the evidence given in the bible and come to the correct conclusion.

 

[shaneaccyl]

is people sharing the gospel here instead of arguing the translation,,,good those who did and doing it/for many are unsaved and feeling saved,,,gospel goodnews of Christ is urgent we need to share the hope that is in him/

 

[KJV1611]

Bible says nothing about start and then change. Thats only your hypothesis how to explain that Mark is generalizing while Luke is giving details.

Also, I did not say "inconsistent about the gospel." I said gospels (4 books called by that name).

I'm sorry I left off the s on gospel... gospels is what I meant. You do realize all of those guys were on the cross for 6 hours. And NO Mark is not generalizing, he's giving a completely different account

 

[tourist]

There's nothing inconsistent about the gospel. The only way to get the whole story is here a little there a little as the bible says. ALL gospels are in perfect harmony with one another.

If one believes the bible for exactly what it says, then both hurled insults at the start and then one of them had a change of heart after hanging on the cross for a while.

I totally agree with you. There are no inconsistencies or contradictions in the bible. It says what you have stated in the book of Isaiah, "Come now, and let us reason together...line upon line, precept upon precept. A little here, a little there.

Unless you completely understand the full context of the bible there will be apparent inconsistencies or contradictions. Upon further study and contemplation it will become apparent that actually there were none. Comparing two or three verses on the same or similar topic or biblical point is at times inadequate to fully understand the intent and express purpose, but in the context of the entire Word of God, will make sense of what seemingly was an error or an omission.

 

[KJV1611]

I think that you are ignoring the role of the Holy Spirit in a Believer's life.

1 Cor 1:18-25
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
KJV


It is the role of the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture in the mind of each believer to bring him/her to spiritual understanding.
This role is NOT translation dependent.

Could you explain how the Holy Spirit interprets scripture in each believer? I'll give you an example to work with since it's relevant to the discussion or you can chose your own.

1 Peter 1:23 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
The Holy Spirit has led some to interpret this verse as Jesus being the incorruptible seed (ignoring the grammar) and others, at least myself to believe the incorruptible seed is the word of God. How is it that the same Holy Spirit lead to 2 different views?

 

[KJV1611]

I totally agree with you. There are no inconsistencies or contradictions in the bible. It says what you have stated in the book of Isaiah, "Come now, and let us reason together...line upon line, precept upon precept. A little here, a little there.

Unless you completely understand the full context of the bible there will be apparent inconsistencies or contradictions. Upon further study and contemplation it will become apparent that actually there were none. Comparing two or three verses on the same or similar topic or biblical point is at times inadequate to fully understand the intent and express purpose, but in the context of the entire Word of God, will make sense of what seemingly was an error or an omission.

God made it that way. The only thing that pleases God is faith. The bible is a discerner of the heart, if a person wants to believe in works salvation then the bible will lead them to believe it, if the belief is the bible has errors then a person will be lead to see errors... the bible gives EXACTLY what we are looking for.

 

[hornetguy]

There's no evidence at all to say the man was saved, in fact all the evidence - he was a thief and he reviled Christ point to him being a lost person. I don't see how anyone could think for a moment that this guy was saved.... I guess I do have some strange views though lol.

hmmmm.... I thought that was a "given".....