Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

[Pythons]

To say that the Ten Commandments and all the other laws are all the same is very wrong.

Think of the shadow of a pole in the afternoon. You can use the shadow to see what the pole looks like and if you follow it you will come too the base of the pole. All the laws that were shadows of the death and resurrection of Jesus finished, when they meet the real thing. No need to practice the sacrifice anymore because Christ is that sacrifice. But the Sabbath was set up before Christ was even needed to be our rest. Given before sin entered. The reason for keeping the sabbath is in remembrance of creation, The Sabbath is not a shadow of anything it is still the 7th day of the week which has not changed.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, ....
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

How does Christ bring this to an end? We still have the 7th day each week.

The Sabbath was intended to be perpetual - man was intended to live perpetually in ( and never out of ) the 7th day.

In any event the planetary week day Saturday isn't the Biblical Sabbath - they calculated their time differently back then and there was no such thing as starting the Sabbath on the evening of the 6 day - that was a Talmudic Innovation.

 

[beta]

The scriptures we read in Exodus reveals that God established the Sabbath to test the Israelite people to see if they would obey. They were commanded not to gather manna from the fields, not to cook, or pick up sticks.

Do those scriptures apply today? Not really since we are not given manna. However if people want to cook twice as much on Friday and not cook again until Satuday, its acceptable. However it's also acceptable to cook and feed a homeless person or do other good works in the Sabbath.

I believe we should try and observe the Sabbath, because God told us to rest out of love. He tried and get people to see that they should trust Him,

So one thing I do try and do every week on Friday that I don't do every day is cook and clean so that I don't have to on Saturday. However, I am not legalistic about it. If my kids or husband gets sick and throws up all over the living room....I will clean that up and not wait til sunset on Saturday. I will probably even cook them some soup.

My point is just like the feast we have freedom in Christ, while those in the Old covenant did not. They did things out of fear of punishment.

Jesus calls his disciples friends because they understood God's plans for this world. Have you heard Jesus call you friend? God reveals His plan through scripture.

I agree with you... there is 'much good we can do on the Sabbath today which was not allowed in the OT which was totally legalistic.
However this freedom in Christ does not allow for 'impurities or iniquity in man/woman....since He is in the process of ''purifying a peculiar people for Himself Tit 2v14.

OBEDience to God is as important today as ever it was for us to receive HIS Holy Spirit by and through whom we can communicate and understand each oither !!! Acts 5v32; Heb 5v9.

Any DISagreement with God is not going to work in our favour no matter how attractive it appears to us....and keeping Sabbath every day is one of them. It's not that it would be wrong but that WE/man is not yet conditioned to DO it in this fallen world and is therefore a pointless suggestion as we would fail miserably....even just ONE day seems impossible ! look at how people refute and reject it, mix and merge it with other UNholy worship ie sunday or other days. They are not considering what is important to GOD but only to themselves !!!

Allow God to 'purify you...that would be the answer to your prayer !!!

 

[graceNpeace]

I agree with you... there is 'much good we can do on the Sabbath today which was not allowed in the OT which was totally legalistic.
However this freedom in Christ does not allow for 'impurities or iniquity in man/woman....since He is in the process of ''purifying a peculiar people for Himself Tit 2v14.

OBEDience to God is as important today as ever it was for us to receive HIS Holy Spirit by and through whom we can communicate and understand each oither !!! Acts 5v32; Heb 5v9.

Any DISagreement with God is not going to work in our favour no matter how attractive it appears to us....and keeping Sabbath every day is one of them. It's not that it would be wrong but that WE/man is not yet conditioned to DO it in this fallen world and is therefore a pointless suggestion as we would fail miserably....even just ONE day seems impossible ! look at how people refute and reject it, mix and merge it with other UNholy worship ie sunday or other days. They are not considering what is important to GOD but only to themselves !!!

Allow God to 'purify you...that would be the answer to your prayer !!!

Like honey....but poisonous nonetheless....

 

[beta]

I don't believe God's laws have been abolished. I believe the old covenant has. I believe many have a legalistic view of God's laws.

However by the very nature of the title of my thread, folks should know i believe we are called to keep the Sabbath in the manner God tells us...not men.

The main difference is that I say you can do it every day. Once a week is a good start, but daily communion and keeping of the Sabbath is what God wants....what we will have in the New Heaven and New Earth.

What I want is a discussion of

What it means to KEEP GOD'S SABBATH?

Let's see if it actually happens..,

What does it mean to keep GOD's Sabbath ?
It means to do as HE sets it out in the beginning ' Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy Ex 20v8-10. Would that be a good start ?
But then we have to bear in mind that 'changes were made to the law in the NT.Heb 7v12....but would these changes nullify the BASIC Command/foundational principles ? I think not...but there is 'change.

 

[beta]

Yeah....you can ignore it or explain it away, both its still there.

Romans 14
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day,
to the Lord he doth not regard it.

It NOt about fasting or not fasting.

I think Rom 14 is seriously MISunderstood by christians...they seem to think Paul is telling them to choose their own holy day esteemed over and above what GOD has decreed.
But in fact Paul is only saying that is what SOME people do, NOT that his converts should do....THEY were to follow Paul as he followed Christ 1Cor 11v1....and Jesus most certainly kept Sabbath !

 

[TMS]

Jesus is our example, and God does not change. Man has changed times and laws. If Jesus lived in the days of Moses he would have kept the Sabbath perfectly and if He lived in the world today He would keep it the same as He did in His day. No double standards for God, the principles are the same and mankind has gone both ways in the extremes. The extreme of "grace makes us free to sin" at the moment.

 

[beta]

God created the Sabbath so men might rest from their labors as He rested from His.

Do you agree or disagree?

The Sabbath Day is more than just 'a REST....GOD's people were commanded to ASSEMBLE BEFORE HIM on the Sabbath Lev 23...to receive INSTRUCTION from HIM personally !!!

The thing is that MAN(kind) is to GROW in the Grace and Knowledge of GOD....NOT just rest like Babes and Infants all their lives ! People are missing that point when they fail to MATURE from milk to Meat ! This happens when they move away from the Sabbath and God's instruction because NO OTHER DAY will advance their knowledge.

 

[lightbearer]

To value or esteem one day above another is talking about keeping a weekly Sabbath.

No it is not. The Sabbath Day is not mentioned in Romans 14. If GOD had meant the Sabbath Day HE would have mentioned; HE did not. To assume or assert that HE did is to add to the Word of GOD. That is not our place.

 

[lightbearer]

In any event the planetary week day Saturday isn't the Biblical Sabbath - they calculated their time differently back then and there was no such thing as starting the Sabbath on the evening of the 6 day - that was a Talmudic Innovation.

Not following ya. The sun rises and sets, does it not.

 

[lightbearer]

The extreme of "grace makes us free to sin" at the moment.

So are you saying that we can sin now and it is ok?

 

[lightbearer]

Like honey....but poisonous nonetheless....

Do you ever actually post anything of any real value? It seems you just troll around and insult people; say things you think about them, or talk about their posts without actually addressing the points being made.

 

[TMS]

So are you saying that we can sin now and it is ok?

No i'm saying that is the extreme at the moment which a lot of people are teaching as acceptable. The other extreme is saved by works or working our way to heaven. We need to realize that grace does free us from sin's penalty but it does not give us the right to sin. Love for Jesus will cause us to obey the law.

 

[beta]

Same walls of text over and over again...kind of discouraging.

Yet folks can't answer the simple questions:

Why did God establish the Sabbath?..how does God want us to keep it Holy today?.. .why can't we keep every day Holy?

Literally we can't keep every day holy because it would mean we could not work for a living....and we would have to assemble for holy convocations before God every day Lev 23. These things were commanded for the Sabbath day specially reserved for man to share with God !!!
To some extent this CAN be done SPIRITUALLY in the NT but even so it starts with just ONE day - SABBATH - the DAY HE IS LORD OF !!! As we learn to honor and keep it pure respectfully (NOT mixed with sunday or other days equally) it will become a DAILY practice for GOD's people...just takes time !

 

[lightbearer]

No i'm saying that is the extreme at the moment which a lot of people are teaching as acceptable. The other extreme is saved by works or working our way to heaven. We need to realize that grace does free us from sin's penalty but it does not give us the right to sin. Love for Jesus will cause us to obey the law.

Amen thanks! The Love for and of Jesus; for as HE is so are we in this World.

 

[graceNpeace]

Jesus is our example, and God does not change. Man has changed times and laws. If Jesus lived in the days of Moses he would have kept the Sabbath perfectly and if He lived in the world today He would keep it the same as He did in His day. No double standards for God, the principles are the same and mankind has gone both ways in the extremes. The extreme of "grace makes us free to sin" at the moment.

Please point out exact references to the Patriarchs keeping the Law, specifically the Sabbath.
Show me where Adam is given the ten commandments?
Show me where Adam is instructed to keep the Sabbath?

Truth is, no person on earth between Adam up to Moses had ever heard of the Law. The law was given to Moses on Mount Sinai and not a moment earlier to anyone else...

Paul, in Galatians chapter 3, explicitly explains that the law was a temporary addition, added because of transgression.
The same chapter explains that New Covenant believers are not under the law anymore.

Your argument is classic SDA propaganda.....and false!

 

[beta]

Leviticus 19

Leviticus 19 New International Version (NIV)
Various Laws
19 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: ‘Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy.

3 “‘Each of you must respect your mother and father, and you must observe my Sabbaths. I am the Lord your God.

4 “‘Do not turn to idols or make metal gods for yourselves. I am the Lord your God.

5 “‘When you sacrifice a fellowship offering to the Lord, sacrifice it in such a way that it will be accepted on your behalf. 6 It shall be eaten on the day you sacrifice it or on the next day; anything left over until the third day must be burned up. 7 If any of it is eaten on the third day, it is impure and will not be accepted. 8 Whoever eats it will be held responsible because they have desecrated what is holy to the Lord; they must be cut off from their people.

9 “‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. 10 Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am the Lord your God.

11 “‘Do not steal.

“‘Do not lie.

“‘Do not deceive one another.

12 “‘Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

13 “‘Do not defraud or rob your neighbor.

“‘Do not hold back the wages of a hired worker overnight.

14 “‘Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the Lord.

15 “‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.

16 “‘Do not go about spreading slander among your people.

“‘Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord.

17 “‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.

18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

19 “‘Keep my decrees.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

20 “‘If a man sleeps with a female slave who is promised to another man but who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment.[a] Yet they are not to be put to death, because she had not been freed. 21 The man, however, must bring a ram to the entrance to the tent of meeting for a guilt offering to the Lord. 22 With the ram of the guilt offering the priest is to make atonement for him before the Lord for the sin he has committed, and his sin will be forgiven.

23 “‘When you enter the land and plant any kind of fruit tree, regard its fruit as forbidden. For three years you are to consider it forbidden[c]; it must not be eaten. 24 In the fourth year all its fruit will be holy, an offering of praise to the Lord. 25 But in the fifth year you may eat its fruit. In this way your harvest will be increased. I am the Lord your God.

26 “‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it.

“‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

28 “‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.

29 “‘Do not degrade your daughter by making her a prostitute, or the land will turn to prostitution and be filled with wickedness.

30 “‘Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the Lord.

31 “‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.

32 “‘Stand up in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the Lord.

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

35 “‘Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity. 36 Use honest scales and honest weights, an honest ephah[d] and an honest hin.[e] I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt.

37 “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’”

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How do we decide what to honor and what to discard?

Some of them make a lot of sense but I know folks don't follow...like trimming you beard or wearing clothes with mixed fibers..,

Yes it seems OT teaching would consist of 'MOSES' law and is not really appliccable to the letter in the NT which is SUPERCeded by Christ's teaching of the Spirit !
But why should a 'change of law mean a change of GOD's Holy Day ? Jesus never even hinted at such a thing. He is not known as 'lord of sunday but is today as He was yesterday and for ever...LORD of Sabbath, which is 7th day (NOT meaning SDA).

 

[graceNpeace]

Yes it seems OT teaching would consist of 'MOSES' law and is not really appliccable to the letter in the NT which is SUPERCeded by Christ's teaching of the Spirit !
But why should a 'change of law mean a change of GOD's Holy Day ? Jesus never even hinted at such a thing. He is not known as 'lord of sunday but is today as He was yesterday and for ever...LORD of Sabbath, which is 7th day (NOT meaning SDA).

More honey, just as poisonous...

 

[beta]

What issues do you have with the concept of keeping EVERY DAY HOLY/Set apart for service to God?

You need to study and learn what Sabbath means and how God commands us to keep it and drop the false accusastions and endless walls of text.

If you can't be respectful of my requests, why should I answer you?

I have given scriptures.

To value or esteem one day above another is talking about keeping a weekly Sabbath. God says we can keep the weekly Sabbath or value each day the same....meaning we can value each day Holy unto God and rest in Him. Have Sabbath every day with God.

Where is it given to MAN to esteem one day above another over GOD ??? it really is an 'effrontery to do so and negate what GOD has decreed.
People are MISunderstanding Paul when he says that some people do this....WE are to follow Paul as he followed Christ !!!

 

[graceNpeace]

Where is it given to MAN to esteem one day above another over GOD ??? it really is an 'effrontery to do so and negate what GOD has decreed.
People are MISunderstanding Paul when he says that some people do this....WE are to follow Paul as he followed Christ !!!

In your opinion......

 

[beta]

What does Isaiah tell us about keeping the Sabbath?

1. Delight in keeping it.
2. Stop seeking your own pleasure (doubleminded and adulterous people is what the Bible calls such people)
3. Stop seeking to do things your own way (learn to do it Goes say via the Holy spirit and prayer)
4. Stop speaking your own words (if you speak, speak as Oracle's of God)

(these are my words but I base them on scriptures)

I agree with this and hope YOURSELF take it to heart !