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You really turned things on its head here and said the opposite of what Paul taught. He didn't say that doing the law is the law of faith, but that in order to be justified by the law one has to actually do the law instead of just hear the law. No man can be justified by the law, as he stated somewhere else.
So you believe man was only taught to do the will of God by Jesus in the New Testament and that Moses or the Law and Prophets did not teach men to do the will of God?
"He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
"Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:"
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Lev. 21:Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
Matt. 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
"For God is no respecter of persons"
Jesus didn't change anything as far as the Scriptures are concerned. In your religion maybe, but not in the Word.
"He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
"Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:"
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Lev. 21:Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
Matt. 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
"For God is no respecter of persons"
Jesus didn't change anything as far as the Scriptures are concerned. In your religion maybe, but not in the Word.
you are correct. Jesus did not change anything- God the Father , on the mount of transfiguration, in the presence of Moses ( the law ) and Elijah ( the prophets ), said " this is my beloved Son, hear Him ". thus putting the Son above the law and prophets .
also, in Matthew 28, the Resurrected Christ said " all authority in Heaven and earth has been given to me "
so, did Jesus give himself what he already had? or, if you would stop with conspiracy theories and just read the text, without making assumptions , you would understand the truth of the Trinity and the Godhead.
also, in Matthew 28, the Resurrected Christ said " all authority in Heaven and earth has been given to me "
so, did Jesus give himself what he already had? or, if you would stop with conspiracy theories and just read the text, without making assumptions , you would understand the truth of the Trinity and the Godhead.
There is no question there is a new covenant.
Jer. 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: (The tribe Jesus came from)
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; (Symbolic of sin) which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
There is only one Law, and one Lawgiver, the Christ. One Law He created was called the "Levitical Priesthood". It was the Law designed to administer God's Word, and to cleanse the sins of the people. Why you would ignore this Biblical fact is beyond me. Jesus says in Jeremiah that there will come a day when this "Covenant" is gone. No more Levite Priests to filter His Word. Jesus will write His Laws created from the foundation of the world for me to walk in, on my heart.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
No more animal sacrifices, no more Priesthood "Works of the Law" that the Jews pushed on Paul and the Gentiles converts.
There isn't one mention of your religious tradition of eliminating, or "changing" Christ's Sabbath anywhere in the Bible. It is your religious traditions taken from some preacher that you trust. Jesus never once said what you are preaching.
There was a change in the Priesthood.
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
And this Author clearly explains what that change is.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Why you would purposely ignore or reject these scriptures is another mystery to me.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
This is the New Covenant Christ made with the "Children of Israel" AND the "House of Judah". Jesus foretold us what this New Covenant is and what the change was going to be.
His Law was changed so Jesus could fill the Priesthood position that was specifically created for the Levite. Read it for yourself.
The very existence of the Pharisee was this Levitical Priesthood. By changing it, as the Word describes, the Pharisees were out of a job. No more honor for them, no more free money. It was finished, over. They were exposed as "Teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men, not God. Jesus made a show of them openly. He nailed their man made Laws they created which were against us, to the cross. He triumphed over THEM, who killed Him, not God as many preach.
But The Jews could not accept this so they continued to preach their version of the "Law of Moses" which included their version of sacrificial, ceremonial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. They "bewitched" the Galatians, they opposed the Apostles in Acts, they killed Stephen for pointing these things out.
Their time was over. A New time began.
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The problem was never the instructions of God as you and "many" who come in Christ's name preach. The problem was "man" and their religious traditions.
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry,(Priesthood) by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(I will write My Laws on the heart, I will forgive their sins) No more fleshy men to filter the Words of God.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, (Not the Christ, or His Instructions as you preach) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Sadly it seems you have been convinced that it wasn't the Priesthood, as Jesus clearly points out, but His commandments that is the problem, that needs changed.
The serpent convinced Eve of the exact same thing.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (If you reject God's instructions and create your own)
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof,(Change His Rules) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
It's all right there in your Bible.
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Yes, the Christ is above the Law and Prophets as it is written;
3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
Jesus created the Commandments after the instructions of His father and gave them to Moses. Therefore, the builder of the "house" is greater than the house. So it isn't Moses that we worship and humble ourselves to, it is the Christ, creator of all things.
I don't know about your jesus, but the One in the Bible had been given " all authority in Heaven and earth" from God the Father before the earth was even created.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
I try and get my instructions about the Christ from His Word, not the Pope. You should try it sometime, it's a whole different program.
3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
Jesus created the Commandments after the instructions of His father and gave them to Moses. Therefore, the builder of the "house" is greater than the house. So it isn't Moses that we worship and humble ourselves to, it is the Christ, creator of all things.
I don't know about your jesus, but the One in the Bible had been given " all authority in Heaven and earth" from God the Father before the earth was even created.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
I try and get my instructions about the Christ from His Word, not the Pope. You should try it sometime, it's a whole different program.
wrong covenant studyman. Christ is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant. ( Genesis 12, and 22, through your seed all the nations will be blessed, because you have obeyed me , 22 v.18)
so, now I see why you are trying to force Christianity into Judaism , you are basing your theology on the wrong covenant. and oneness, rejecting the Trinity.
so, now I see why you are trying to force Christianity into Judaism , you are basing your theology on the wrong covenant. and oneness, rejecting the Trinity.
I am publicly declaring the pope as a false teacher and large chunks of catholicity to be false teaching.
so there. the next time you accuse me of being corrupted by catholic traditions, I will report you. I am getting sick and tired of you throwing out false accusations everytime you are proven wrong.
my theology come from what the text says, not what I think it should say. I do not make assumptions and know the diference in between the O.t. covenants. you apparently do not.
so there. the next time you accuse me of being corrupted by catholic traditions, I will report you. I am getting sick and tired of you throwing out false accusations everytime you are proven wrong.
my theology come from what the text says, not what I think it should say. I do not make assumptions and know the diference in between the O.t. covenants. you apparently do not.
That is your preaching. But not the Bibles.
Rom. 3:Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (Two Laws)
For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. (Two laws, Law of faith, Law of works)
Gal. 3:Wherefore then serveth the law?
Which law is Paul speaking to here?
"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
"It was added because of transgressions," Transgressions of what? You preach there was only one law, yet Paul said a Law was "added" to an existing law that was being "transgressed". Was there a law before this law was added?
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Who is this talking to Abraham and Isaac? Is it not Jesus, the Word, who became flesh? Are you saying God/Jesus didn't give Abraham these Laws? So then, in our religion, who is the "MY" in this scripture?
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
"till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."
Isn't that exactly what happened? Jesus came, the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" was changed just like Jesus said in Jer. 31. But Only the Priesthood that Abraham didn't have, that was "added" 430 years later, was changed as the scriptures teach.
This is not from my mind, but from the Bible.
Rom. 3:Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (Two Laws)
For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. (Two laws, Law of faith, Law of works)
Gal. 3:Wherefore then serveth the law?
Which law is Paul speaking to here?
"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
"It was added because of transgressions," Transgressions of what? You preach there was only one law, yet Paul said a Law was "added" to an existing law that was being "transgressed". Was there a law before this law was added?
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Who is this talking to Abraham and Isaac? Is it not Jesus, the Word, who became flesh? Are you saying God/Jesus didn't give Abraham these Laws? So then, in our religion, who is the "MY" in this scripture?
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
"till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."
Isn't that exactly what happened? Jesus came, the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" was changed just like Jesus said in Jer. 31. But Only the Priesthood that Abraham didn't have, that was "added" 430 years later, was changed as the scriptures teach.
This is not from my mind, but from the Bible.
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What parts of the Catholic doctrine do you declare "False Teaching"? Shouldn't you back up your accusation with Biblical support? I mean if you are going to call someone a false preacher, shouldn't you have at least some proof?
Can you present "Publically" what parts of the catholic Doctrine is fake, or false and what the Pope says that makes him a "false teacher"?
I'll wait for your support of these accusations.
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The problem with many people today is they attempt to obey and be in the Covenant at Mount Sinai and NOT the New Covenant laws and commandments
People are worshipping on the wrong Mountain.
See Matthew 5-7 to learn the laws Jesus taught for people to follow in the New Covenant.
People are worshipping on the wrong Mountain.
See Matthew 5-7 to learn the laws Jesus taught for people to follow in the New Covenant.
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Gb ...... Whenever folks start throwing false accusations or repeating themselves over and over again.
I typically put them on ignore and continue the conversation with others.
If God allows I go back and read their posts and some of them are alright. Some are way off.
I have found that many are still in the old covenant and seek to place people under the Covenant on Mount Sinai...the 10 commandments minus some blood sacrifices.
It's really sad because Jesus tells us that the old covenant doesn't save.
The covenant with Abraham is not the same as the one Moses mediated.
The prophecy of Abraham and His promises Seed is talking about Jesus and goes back to Genesis 3 when God said that the Seed would crush Satan's head.
Sometimes we just pray and keep studying God's word.
That's why I stick around.
Still examining what God has to teach us about His Sabbath.
I typically put them on ignore and continue the conversation with others.
If God allows I go back and read their posts and some of them are alright. Some are way off.
I have found that many are still in the old covenant and seek to place people under the Covenant on Mount Sinai...the 10 commandments minus some blood sacrifices.
It's really sad because Jesus tells us that the old covenant doesn't save.
The covenant with Abraham is not the same as the one Moses mediated.
The prophecy of Abraham and His promises Seed is talking about Jesus and goes back to Genesis 3 when God said that the Seed would crush Satan's head.
Sometimes we just pray and keep studying God's word.
That's why I stick around.
Still examining what God has to teach us about His Sabbath.
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Some folks still haven't DIED to the Law....
Romans 7
4Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.c
Romans 7
4Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.c
What, no more falsely calling me SDA? No more condescending insults? What ever will I do.
And I was so looking forward to at least one of your accusations against others beliefs to be proven with something other than your words.
Alas, I will never know why you publically condemn the Catholic religion.
And I was so looking forward to at least one of your accusations against others beliefs to be proven with something other than your words.
Alas, I will never know why you publically condemn the Catholic religion.
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