Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

Ariel82 · Mar 23, 2018

Law of Sin and death = covenant on Mount Sinai (10 commandments WRITTEN ON STONE and all the ceremonial laws and the feasts, animal sacrifice..worship in Tabernacle then temple Solomon built), children of Hagar, Jerusalem of when Jesus was born. Covenant abolished Destroyed when the second temple was demolished in 70 AD. Hades and death will be cast in fire (revelation 20)

Law of the Spirit = New covenant: faith in Jesus atonement for sins and salvation, sealing of the Holy spirit, becoming a priest and Ambassodor for Christ, keeping your body as a holy temple for God, joining the Body of Christ to do good works for God's glory (you may also include: sermon on the Mount, keeping last supper in remembrance, baptism as New Covenant signs but not as the means of salvation), children of the Promised Seed, Christ Jesus.

oldethennew · Mar 23, 2018

graceNpeace said:

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how very ugly and un-lovingly posted, very, very, un-Christ-like, shame on you...

Studyman · Mar 23, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

I just believe we should listen to ALL of God's Word.

So I see you disagree, but you never address the scriptures. Are they wrong then? Do you believe we are free to "Judge" God's Word? Some we can trust, others we can't?

Rom. 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Is "patient continuance in well doing" rejecting God's Instructions, or honoring them?

"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Is God's Law Righteousness? Do you equate "Love the Lord with all your heart" with "And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, (Levites)and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons.

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (isn't that "Well doing")

Do you preach we are judged by the Law given to Aaron and the Levites, or are there others Laws which God will judge the world by?

"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God."

Is "Circumcision a "LAW OF WORKS" or a "Law of faith."

Listen, I get it. WE are all born into a religion. I was hoping to show you in scriptures where the warnings Christ's gave us about people coming in His Name, to deceive.

one false teaching is that there is no difference between the Law specifically for the Priesthood, and the Law the Christ created for all mankind.

I did my part, I opened the door for you to look at the question.

I can't make you look into it.

Thanks for your replies.

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HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 23, 2018

Studyman said:

You're horrible at exegesis. It nowhere says that the law was added to existing law. You simply read what you want to see into the text (eisegesis).

The transgressions before the law of Moses were not imputed because there was no codified law against them. Abraham lived by faith so he was able obey GOD's heavenly laws that were revealed to him by the spirit. GOD's heavenly law was codified as earthly law at Sinai and made the law of the old covenant. It was not an addition to existing law.

Ariel82 · Mar 23, 2018

Sinai laws are not heavenly laws...they are prophetic in telling God's people His salvation plan through Jesus....shadows only.

Ariel82 · Mar 23, 2018

Studyman said:

I just believe we should listen to ALL of God's Word.

So I see you disagree, but you never address the scriptures. Are they wrong then? Do you believe we are free to "Judge" God's Word? Some we can trust, others we can't?

Rom. 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Is "patient continuance in well doing" rejecting God's Instructions, or honoring them?

"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Is God's Law Righteousness? Do you equate "Love the Lord with all your heart" with "And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, (Levites)and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons.

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (isn't that "Well doing")

Do you preach we are judged by the Law given to Aaron and the Levites, or are there others Laws which God will judge the world by?

"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God."

Is "Circumcision a "LAW OF WORKS" or a "Law of faith."

Listen, I get it. WE are all born into a religion. I was hoping to show you in scriptures where the warnings Christ's gave us about people coming in His Name, to deceive.

one false teaching is that there is no difference between the Law specifically for the Priesthood, and the Law the Christ created for all mankind.

I did my part, I opened the door for you to look at the question.

I can't make you look into it.

Thanks for your replies.

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God's commands for the New Covenant are found in Jesus Sermon on the Mount....not Mount Sinai.

That is where your logic fails you. You seek to be under Mount Sinai and the Jewish understanding of the ten commandments....instead of what Jesus teaches.
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HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 23, 2018

Studyman said:

Patient continuance in well-doing is doing good works towards the brethren.

No GOD's law is not righteousness; it is a standard that demands GOD's righteousness.

No we are not judged by any law of the old covenant. We are judged by the words of Christ.

The one who rejects Me and doesn't accept My sayings has this as his judge: The word I have spoken will judge him on the last day. John 12:48

Shamah · Mar 23, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]

Shamah · Mar 23, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 111:5, “He has given food to those who fear Him; He remembers His covenant forever.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 111:5-9, “He has given food to those who fear Him; He remembers His covenant forever. He has shown His people the power of His works, To give to them the inheritance of the nations. The works of His hands are truth and right-ruling, All His orders are trustworthy, They are upheld forever and ever, Performed in truth and straightness. He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:24, "As for you, let that stay in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning stays in you, you also shall stay in the Son and in the Father."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 111:9, “He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews. 9:26, “For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:31-34, “See, the days are coming,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Strength, and they shall be My people. And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif],’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]not like the covenant I made with their fathers”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:11-17, “Truly, then, if perfection were through the Lĕwitical priesthood – for under it the people were given the Torah – why was there still need for another priest to arise according to the order of Malkitseḏeq, and not be called according to the order of Aharon? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. Footnote: bFrom Malkitseḏeq to Aharon. For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the slaughter-place.c Footnote: cSee “Altar” in the Explanatory Notes. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood, and this is clearer still, if another priest arises in the likeness of Malkitseḏeq, who has become, not according to the torah of fleshly command, but according to the power of an endless life, for He does witness, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:14-15, "4:14, "Therefore, since we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the Son of Elohim, let us hold fast our confession."4:15, "For we do not have a High Priest unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who was tried in all respects as we are, apart from sin."

Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."[/FONT]

Shamah · Mar 23, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923 - “Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]In Dictionary of New Testament Theology (Editor: Colin Brown), vol. 3, p. 410, after the author had critically examined all the alleged Sabbath-breaking texts, he says in conclusion, "We may conclude then, that though Jesus broke through rabbinic traditions about the sabbath, there was no annulling of the observance of the day." In the Mishnah, Shabbath 7, 2, we find a list of 39 additional laws on Sabbath-keeping which the Pharisees added, thereby making a burden of the Sabbath. In fact, the addition of these extra laws is against Scripture (Deuteronomy 4:2, “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it,a so as to guard the commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength which I am commanding you.”). [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]was indeed opposing the Pharisees who had made the Word of Ylohim of no effect with their burdensome oral tradition. They had sought to make the observance of the Sabbath much more rigorous than [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]had ever commanded. The New Bible Dictionary, 1st Edition, p. 1111, explicitly refutes the allegation that the Messiah broke the Sabbath, and referring to what Messiah and His taught ones did, says as follows, "It was not wrong to eat on the sabbath, even if the food must be obtained by plucking corn from the ears. Nor was it wrong to do good on the sabbath day." Furthermore, if [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]was guilty of sabbath-breaking, it would have been used against Him at His trial.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."[/FONT]

Jackson123 · Mar 23, 2018

SDA has deferent believe system with Bible believe system.

New Covenant bible teach sabbath is when we come to the Lord

SDA teach sabbath is once a week

in other word, SDA is not bible believing group. It is man made believe system

[h=1]Matthew 11:28 King James Version (KJV)[/h]28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. /sabbath

King James Version (KJV)

Studyman · Mar 23, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, (sin) till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

If you want to preach there was no sin before Moses, you are free to do so.

But it is Paul that said a law was added because of transgression. If you want to preach there was no existing law to transgress, you are free to do so.

If you want to create your own New Covenant and ignore what the Word says about it, you are free to do that as well.

I have done my part.

Ariel82 · Mar 23, 2018

God's law existed since Adam and Eve..,,the old covenant law which included weekly Sabbaths and animal sacrifices, and feasts....those were added on Mount Sinai.

.God's eternal law?

Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and love others....those are the eternal laws.

The Sabbath was and always will be about Resting from our labors to feed and clothe ourselves or get our way, trusting God to provide for our bodily needs and focusing on doing God's will and not our own selfish worldly pleasures.

The law of weekly Sabbaths and yearly Sabbaths and the Year of Jubilee....all added because mankind sinned and would whether seek their pleasure instead of God's will,

Folks still do it today when they teach people they need to be under the Old Covenant on Mount Sinai instead of the New Covenant.,.whose laws Jesus preached on His sermon on the mount (matthew 5-7)

Studyman · Mar 23, 2018

Ariel82 said:

I believe in the Jesus of the Bible. The one who created all things, including His Instructions. When He says "My Sayings" He is speaking about all His Word's not just the Word's you can use to support your religious traditions.1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
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All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So I believe in ALL the Word's of this Christ.

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
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He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine,
but the Father's which sent me.

Duet. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

I believe the same Jesus said both these things, that they mean the same thing.

You don't believe in this Jesus. You believe in a different Word, who didn't say the above.

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

But your Jesus isn't the same as He was Yesterday. Your Jesus changed and removed His Word's from yesterday.

You are free to preach this, but By the Grace of Jesus I have been freed from the deception of those "Many" who come in Christ's name to deceive.

Why would I want to be entangled again into the yoke deception and confusion of a mainstream religion which transgresses the Commandments of God by their own man made ancient religious traditions?

We just worship different Gods.

Studyman · Mar 23, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Like I told Ariel, we listen to two different God's. My Jesus spoke the Word's the Cain, and Noah and Abraham and Moses. And he said not only that He is the same then as He is today, but also that His Word's are forever.

119:172:171 My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.
174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

You say yur Jesus changed. The Bible says " "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

You say there is only one law. The Bible says:

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

You say the instructions Jesus created as the Word are not Righteousness.

David, inspired by the Spirit of Christ says:My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

You say your Jesus will judge us with his words.

Paul says; 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

The one who rejects Me and doesn't accept My sayings has this as his judge: The word I have spoken will judge him on the last day. John 12:48

When Jesus said this, the only Word's of His that existed anywhere on the planet, were the words He Spoke as the Word in the beginning with God.

I fear you have been "bewitched" into following another Jesus that wasn't the Word which became flesh. We were warned specifically about this very thing.

But ultimately it is your choice which Jesus to honor. I choose the Word which became Flesh, and it is His Word which will judge the world.

You are welcome to your religious traditions, but this is a Bible discussion forum, so I am discussing what the Bible says.

Studyman · Mar 23, 2018

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.God's eternal law?

Well, I am only relying for those who might be reading along. Abraham knew of Passover.

"And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Noah knew of His creation of clean and unclean.

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Jesus also as the Word before becoming Flesh said;

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

So Jesus calls these His Feasts and they were for the People.

But: But the Levites after the tribe of their fathers were not numbered among them.

But thou shalt appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of testimony, and over all the vessels thereof, and over all things that belong to it:

This Law was given to a specific bloodline. It was a Priesthood whose Job was two fold.

#1. Administer the Instructions of God to the people. (Heb. 7: "for under it the people received the law"

#2. Perform ceremonial, sacrificial "Works" for the remission of sins.

Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
16 And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.

This is the "Law of Works" Paul spoke of. This is the Covenant God made with the Children of Israel "until the seed should come". This is the Priesthood Jesus fulfilled, and it is this "Levitical Priesthood" Law that had to be "changed" to allow someone other than a Levite to perform these duties as the scripture teaches us in Heb. 7.

The Passover was given before Mt. Sinai, and Abraham was justified by the same blood as the death angel had already passed over him. He drank of that same Rock that the Israelites drank from, and that Rock was Christ.

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad."

I'm telling you we have been sold a bill of goods by the very people that Jesus warned of so many times in His Word.

But the choice is ours to make. No one can make it for us.

graceNpeace · Mar 23, 2018

oldethennew said:

I refer you to these texts:
"13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.[c]
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies[d] the gold? 18 And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it. 21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells[e] in it. 22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.[f] 26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’
31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt.33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation." Matt 23:13-36

And this:
"3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth,[a] before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you[b] as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?" Gal 3:1-3

If you wish to take me to task for being direct, I would point out to you that Beta along with several others, are not only in severe error in their doctrine and theology to the point that excludes them from the Christian fold, which is bad enough, but they are TEACHING error, another Gospel, a Gospel of works and control.

If Beta and her cohorts were merely ASKING questions to determine if they were in error they would get the greatest of courtesy from me.
However, their raison d'etre is simple: to snare the unwary and prosetylize them into a thoroughly iniquitous and anti-Christian cult!

You do realise, of course, that Seventh Day Adventism, and several other Sabbatarian groups have at the centre of their theology the exceedingly false and dangerous doctrine that Sabbath worship is the ultimate discriminator of who is heaven-bound!
One is not saved because one has accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour by grace through faith!
No, according to them, unless one worships on the Sabbath, one is hell-bound!
In fact according to SDA doctrine anyone who worships on Sunday has the Mark of the Beast and is condemned accordingly!

Frankly, if my post can result in just one person not falling into the evil clutches of the SDA and their cohorts I will be more than satisfied!

The evil that is pushed by SDA adherents on this site is true evil!
If you are having trouble with the characterisation I have given feel free to investigate the history and claims of the Seventh Day Adventist Church on your own - boy, are you in for a shock!!!

Ariel82 · Mar 23, 2018

Studyman said:

I believe that Jesus wrote both the old and new testament.

I agree we worship different Jesus because yours allows you to lie to yourself.

Jesus has told us He made obsolete the Old Covenant on Sinai and established a NEW covenant. He says we don't have to do animal sacrifices.

If you truly did believe all the laws on Sinai still apply you would still make animal sacrifices for your sins.

What you don't like is that I say like animal sacrifice, weekly Sabbath are just shadows of a deeper spiritual reality.

Jesus blood atoned for our sins as animal blood never could.

Resting in God means SEEKING FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD EVERY DAY, not just outward show once a week.

If you don't have the Holy spirit talking you this truth, then you are right we are not brethren for you belong to Hagar and not of the Promised Seed but an illegimate child.

Sabbath means we are to SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD. STOP STRIVING FOR FOOD OR CLOTHES, BUT TRUST GOD WILL PROVIDE. That is what it means to Rest in Christ Jesus and His finished work.
.it's not about just ceasing to work for ourselves but to work for God's glory.

Ariel82 · Mar 23, 2018

Abraham did not offer a lamb every year in remembrance of the plague of Egypt.

Yes he Knew the Passover Lamb: Jesus our Messiah. The prophecy of the Promised Seed has been established since Genesis 3.

God has revealed His plan for His people since then.

However we are no longer commanded to keep the Passover as commanded on Mount Sinai. We dont kill lambs to cover our sins.

THAT IS A CHANGE IN THE LAW.

A change from the law of sin and death given on Mount Sinai to the Law of the Spirit given the night before Jesus was crucified.

You can be honest, or you can be a hypocrite and liar. Judging others for beliefs you yourself believe: God replaced the sacrifice of lambs with a better sacrifice that only needed to be done once by Jesus.

Maybe one day you can be honest and see that God's Sabbath rest is not about one day a week, but to SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD EVERY DAY and to trust God to provide food and clothes and shelter.

Ariel82 · Mar 23, 2018

Today God gives you a choice.

Which Gospel will you believe?

Who do you believe is able to save you:

Jesus who died upon the cross for your sins?

Or your ability to obey the Sinai covenant which centers around the ten commandment and the various feasts like passover?

What is the sign of your covenant:

Being born again by the Holy spirit, seeking first the kingdom of God every day, being a priest and ambassador for Christ Jesus, your body a holy tabernacle, you a member of the Body of the Bride of Christ?

Or is it obeying the ten comandments given in mount Sinai And the annual Jewish feasts?

Are you of the Promised Seed or are you of Hagar?

Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

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