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we've done our 'home-work' for many years before you have and for many yrs. longer after that you have,
all the while being led by The Love of The Holy Spirit for our Love and obedience - take this statement
and process it as only you can from where you are in your journey at this time...
and this would merely be 'your opinion', which we are all free to make...

never in our lives, before or after 'conversion' would my husband or myself disrespect an elder
as you have done, whether we agree with them or not...

there are many, many people on this site at different stages of growth in their individual journeys,
no matter how old/young they may have been when Jesus began to call them out of the bondage
of this world -
where they are, is not anyone's concern but their Creators - for we all will stand before Him
and give an account of every one of our actions while claiming to Love and Serve and Obey Him...

try and learn to be respectful of all people, especially your elders, even if you don't agree with them;
it's not your 'job' to be a self-appointed director and judge...those who are called and in the Body of Christ
will of course be taught the discernment of how to judge what their brothers and sisters do and say,
this is scripture' - if you don't believe one is speaking out of their hearts in their LOVE for Jesus Christ,
then try and learn how to keep silent and mind your own business, and you will then never be thought
of as a fool who follows every wind of doctrine by their own opinions instead of the True Word of God...

we speak to you in Love, and never in defense of our Lord and Saviour, because He never defended
Himself, nor will He ever need any human being to self-appoint themselves on His behalf...
 

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we've done our 'home-work' for many years before you have and for many yrs. longer after that you have,
all the while being led by The Love of The Holy Spirit for our Love and obedience - take this statement
and process it as only you can from where you are in your journey at this time...
and this would merely be 'your opinion', which we are all free to make...

never in our lives, before or after 'conversion' would my husband or myself disrespect an elder
as you have done, whether we agree with them or not...

there are many, many people on this site at different stages of growth in their individual journeys,
no matter how old/young they may have been when Jesus began to call them out of the bondage
of this world -
where they are, is not anyone's concern but their Creators - for we all will stand before Him
and give an account of every one of our actions while claiming to Love and Serve and Obey Him...

try and learn to be respectful of all people, especially your elders, even if you don't agree with them;
it's not your 'job' to be a self-appointed director and judge...those who are called and in the Body of Christ
will of course be taught the discernment of how to judge what their brothers and sisters do and say,
this is scripture' - if you don't believe one is speaking out of their hearts in their LOVE for Jesus Christ,
then try and learn how to keep silent and mind your own business, and you will then never be thought
of as a fool who follows every wind of doctrine by their own opinions instead of the True Word of God...

we speak to you in Love, and never in defense of our Lord and Saviour, because He never defended
Himself, nor will He ever need any human being to self-appoint themselves on His behalf...
And so, of course, you would adopt the same tone to Paul when he said this:
"12 [FONT=&quot]I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off![/FONT]" Gal 5:12

This comment was directed at false teachers called Judaizers who taught that in order to be Christian one must be a full Jew - to the point of being circumcised.
Here Paul says of them that he wishes that they would just emasculate themselves - in other words cut their willies off....
I remind you that these are Paul's words, not mine.

Unrepentant false teaching cannot be accommodated in the name of Christian fellowship!
It needs to be called out and confronted!
 

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]I believe that Jesus wrote both the old and new testament.

I agree we worship different Jesus because yours allows you to lie to yourself.

Jesus has told us He made obsolete the Old Covenant on Sinai and established a NEW covenant. He says we don't have to do animal sacrifices.

If you truly did believe all the laws on Sinai still apply you would still make animal sacrifices for your sins.
Maybe if I was born before Joshua, or before Isaiah I might believe the animal sacrifices apply to me. But because I was born after the entire set of Examples that Jesus created for our admonition were given us, I understand His Word in Jer. 31 that you refuse to accept. Because I was born in a time to hear the Messiah tell me to "Keep His Sayings" I understand that the animal sacrifices were a shadow of His Sacrifice until He came, and now we no longer rely on those "Works of the Law" for remission of sins as the Jews "Bewitched" the Galatians with.

But I also know the difference between the Laws given specifically to the Levites which Jesus said in Jer. 31 would come to an end, and His Instructions for the people who are here as long as the heaven and earth are here, as He said.

We do worship two different God's. One can be traced throughout the entire Bible, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, and He instructs us to trust Him enough to follow His Words.

The other one, that you preach, is different, He changed His own Instructions, contradict his own words, fought against the God of the OT, "Triumphing over Him" on the Cross and changed not just the Priesthood, as He Promised, but also made the Word's of the Law and Prophets void.


One came to save us from our past sins, the Word who became Flesh that I believe, and the other Jesus came to save us, not from disobedience to God (Sin) but from that terrible unjust God of the OT and all His burdensome "Rules".

I have to say it is refreshing for an honest discussion about beliefs. At least you "own your religion" and admit there are different Gods being taught.

Lastly you kind of miss-represented Christ's Words in your last sentence in my opinion.

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Jesus told Cain the same thing, told Moses the same thing. And:

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

I might Add that David, who I consider Worthy of my respect, and who Jesus held with High Regard, told me, with the Spirit of Christ that was in Him, what is God Righteousness. Now I know you and the Pope disagree, but I'm sorry, I sticking with the Spirit of Christ.


Ps. 119:172 172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

And given that Jesus is the Word who became Flesh, and given that He warns me of people, who come in Christ's name, who will try to deceive me into following another Jesus, I'm going to stick with HIS WORDS.

1 And God (Jesus) spake all these words, saying,
2 I (Jesus the Christ) am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt,(SIN) out of the house of bondage. (Deception)

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

This would include the image of God/Jesus created by Mainstream Christianity, of a long haired men's hair shampoo model they placed Jesus' name on that is known world wide and the "Christian god".

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

I fear this is the Jesus you follow.

But the Christ of the Bible also commanded;

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD (Jesus) made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

We both believe His Spirit has guided us in all knowledge, just as the Pharisees believed they were "Children of Abraham".

But as the Christ told them; "If you were Abraham Children you would of the works of Abraham".
 
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You can set up a straw man but God knows you lie for the picture you paint is based upon assumptions and lies...

Jesus defeated Satan upon the cross.

I believe God is the same since the beginning of time.

I have stated over and over again that God's salvation plan was in place since Adam and Eve first sinned.

You can lie to yourself and say I don't believe the God of the bible, but it's a lie.

What I don't believe is your ability to rightly divide scripture.

What I don't believe is that you understand the New Covenant Jesus made versus the old covenant on Mount Sinai that was made obsolete.

My faith in God is strong. I believe everything that the Bible writes and I know the difference between children of Hagar and those of the Promised Seed.

Jesus has a similar conversation. It focused on the gospel that could save: faith in Jesus and His atonement.
 
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If you want to preach there was no sin before Moses, you are free to do so.
This is what the bible says - sin was in the world until the law, but it wasn't imputed because before that there was no law.

For until the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not charged to one’s account [when there] is no law. Romans 5:13
 
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John 8

31So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33They answered him, “We are offspring of Abraham and have never been enslaved to anyone. How is it that you say, ‘You will become free’?”

34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slaveb to sin. 35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37I know that you are offspring of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me because my word finds no place in you. 38I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.”

39They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
 
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Jesus commandments:

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Bible > ESV > Matthew 5
◄ Matthew 5 ►
English Standard Version
The Sermon on the Mount

1Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him.

The Beatitudes

2And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:

3“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4“Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

5“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

6“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

7“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

8“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

9“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sonsa of God.

10“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Salt and Light

13“You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people’s feet.

14“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before others, so thatb they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Christ Came to Fulfill the Law

17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Anger

21“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brotherc will be liable to judgment; whoever insultsd his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the helle of fire. 23So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. 26Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.f

Lust

27“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Divorce

31“It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Oaths

33“Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.g

Retaliation

38“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,h let him have your cloak as well. 41And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Love Your Enemies

43“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers,i what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
 
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Matthew 6 ►
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Giving to the Needy

1“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

2“Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

The Lord’s Prayer

5“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

7“And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9Pray then like this:

“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.a
10Your kingdom come,
your will be done,b
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread,c
12and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.d

14For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, 15but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Fasting

16“And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 17But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Lay Up Treasures in Heaven

19“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and ruste destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

22“The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, 23but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

24“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.f

Do Not Be Anxious

25“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?g 28And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

34“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble
 
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◄ Matthew 7 ►
English Standard Version
Judging Others

1“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

6“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

Ask, and It Will Be Given

7“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. 9Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? 11If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

The Golden Rule

12“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

13“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easya that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

A Tree and Its Fruit

15“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

I Never Knew You

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Build Your House on the Rock

24“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”

The Authority of Jesus

28And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, 29for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.
 
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Those are Jesus teachings.

He doesn't teach the keeping of a weekly Sabbath but a DAILY SEEKING OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

He teaches for us to focus on God and to TRUST GOD TO PROVIDE FOR OUR NEEDS.

People say if we do this every day (rest in God and keep His Sabbath by keeping Him always on our minds and hearts and doing His will instead of our own), we will starve. Words like that just reveals a heart lacking in faith that God provides and it's not our labor but God's blessings that allow anything to prosper at all.
 

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Abraham did not offer a lamb every year in remembrance of the plague of Egypt.

Yes he Knew the Passover Lamb: Jesus our Messiah. The prophecy of the Promised Seed has been established since Genesis 3.

God has revealed His plan for His people since then.

However we are no longer commanded to keep the Passover as commanded on Mount Sinai. We dont kill lambs to cover our sins.

THAT IS A CHANGE IN THE LAW.

A change from the law of sin and death given on Mount Sinai to the Law of the Spirit given the night before Jesus was crucified.

You can be honest, or you can be a hypocrite and liar. Judging others for beliefs you yourself believe: God replaced the sacrifice of lambs with a better sacrifice that only needed to be done once by Jesus.

Maybe one day you can be honest and see that God's Sabbath rest is not about one day a week, but to SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD EVERY DAY and to trust God to provide food and clothes and shelter.
It was never the blood of a lamb that forgave sins, it was always Christ's Blood. Abel, Noah, Abraham, and Moses and Caleb, and Isaiah, David and Zechariahs all knew this. The change in the Law regarding animal sacrifice for Passover is no different than the change in the Law regarding the Levitical Priesthood.

Either way Abraham was justified "Apart from this law", as it is written, because the Levitical Priesthood had not been "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham.

Same Priesthood which was appointed to administer God's Instructions, is the Same Priesthood that was appointed to perform Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for the killing of the sacrifices including Passover Lamb, "until the Seed should come".

I am being honest now, I honor the Christ every day by trusting Him enough to follow His Instructions, not the preaching on men.
 

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This is what the bible says - sin was in the world until the law, but it wasn't imputed because before that there was no law.
For until the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not charged to one’s account [when there] is no law. Romans 5:13
Gen. 4: "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

There you go, by your own post sin existing in the very beginning. Not my Word's, but the Holy Word's of Christ.
 
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It was never the blood of a lamb that forgave sins, it was always Christ's Blood. Abel, Noah, Abraham, and Moses and Caleb, and Isaiah, David and Zechariahs all knew this. The change in the Law regarding animal sacrifice for Passover is no different than the change in the Law regarding the Levitical Priesthood.

Either way Abraham was justified "Apart from this law", as it is written, because the Levitical Priesthood had not been "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham.

Same Priesthood which was appointed to administer God's Instructions, is the Same Priesthood that was appointed to perform Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for the killing of the sacrifices including Passover Lamb, "until the Seed should come".

I am being honest now, I honor the Christ every day by trusting Him enough to follow His Instructions, not the preaching on men.
The same Aaronic priesthood who keep the weekly and year Sabbath which are also a shadow that you refuse to give up because you have bought the lies of man made doctrines that place people under Mount Sinai and NOT the lessons Jesus taught on the Sermon on the Mount.

If you judge people for not keeping a weekly Sabbath with its manmade traditions and false understanding of worship and work, then you do NOT follow His instructions at all.

If you judge and condemn people for worshipping on Sunday, then you do not keep Jesus instructions but are being a hypocrite.

People of God should give thanks and praise when His people gather and worship Him ANY day of the week.
 
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Sinai laws are not heavenly laws...they are prophetic in telling God's people His salvation plan through Jesus....shadows only.
I would say they are heavenly in speaking of the redeemer to come.
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.
 
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Gen. 4: "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

There you go, by your own post sin existing in the very beginning. Not my Word's, but the Holy Word's of Christ.
Sin existed, but the law didn't; not until Moses.
 
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Sin existed, but the law didn't; not until Moses.
Specifically the Law of Sin and death laid out in the Old Covenant on Mount Sinai was not available until Moses time.

The Law of The Spirit and the promise of salvation through the Promised Seed, was there since the beginning.
 
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Sin definitely existed, and it made its entrance in Genesis chapter 3!
Praise God ,because so did His salvation plan and His promise of the Seed!

God told us even then His plan to defeat Satan and restore a right relationship with Him.

He covered Adam and Eve with animal skins, revealing that He would cover our sins with the Blood of the Lamb. He would clothe us with His righteousness.

Jesus says that even as we are born in the image of Adam in sinful flesh, we also will die and be raised again in New resurrected bodies as Jesus was.

What some people don't want to do is allow their first to die.

They cling to it six days a week and think just one day of seeking God is enough to find the path.

God wants a people who will worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

He wants a people who will every day SEEK FIRST HIS KINGDOM. A PEOPLE who will rest in the knowledge that God will provide food and shelter,if we just SEEK to do His will and serve Him ALL THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES as His holy priesthood of the New Covenant, Ambassodors for our Heavenly father.
 
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Ariel82

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These words echo the truth I find in my heart as the Holy spirit has taught me...do they resonant in your heart also?

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Psalm 139 ►
English Standard Version
Search Me, O God, and Know My Heart

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David.
1O LORD, you have searched me and known me!
2You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
you discern my thoughts from afar.
3You search out my path and my lying down
and are acquainted with all my ways.
4Even before a word is on my tongue,
behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.
5You hem me in, behind and before,
and lay your hand upon me.
6Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
it is high; I cannot attain it.

7Where shall I go from your Spirit?
Or where shall I flee from your presence?
8If I ascend to heaven, you are there!
If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!
9If I take the wings of the morning
and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
10even there your hand shall lead me,
and your right hand shall hold me.
11If I say, “Surely the darkness shall cover me,
and the light about me be night,”
12even the darkness is not dark to you;
the night is bright as the day,
for darkness is as light with you.

13For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.
14I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.a
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.

17How precious to me are your thoughts, O God!
How vast is the sum of them!
18If I would count them, they are more than the sand.
I awake, and I am still with you.
 

Studyman

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You can set up a straw man but God knows you lie for the picture you paint is based upon assumptions and lies...

Jesus defeated Satan upon the cross.
But you preach Jesus nailed God's Word's to the Cross, not satans.

I believe God is the same since the beginning of time.
I have stated over and over again that God's salvation plan was in place since Adam and Eve first sinned.

You can lie to yourself and say I don't believe the God of the bible, but it's a lie.

What I don't believe is your ability to rightly divide scripture.

What I don't believe is that you understand the New Covenant Jesus made versus the old covenant on Mount Sinai that was made obsolete.
I understand you preach that the Old Covenant is God's Laws, He never taught anything to support this belief.. It is the Priesthood which has changed as the Bible clearly states.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

You are free to preach anything you want, I truly mean no disrespect. This clearly tells us, just like Jesus said in Jer. 31, that it is the Priesthood that has changed. It's in your Bible.


You can go ahead and get all angry at me, Jesus said you would. But I am only posting what your Bible says.



My faith in God is strong. I believe everything that the Bible writes and I know the difference between children of Hagar and those of the Promised Seed.

Jesus has a similar conversation. It focused on the gospel that could save: faith in Jesus and His atonement.
I'm just posting His Word's that He said were necessary for Salvation. This is a bible discussion forum. You asked a question and asked for others to engage. I know my take is different because by His Mercy I have escaped the deception and the corruption of modern day religious traditions.

I thought to share what He has shown me and hope you might actually consider the Scriptures I posted.


I know how difficult it was for me in the beginning. You say the words and I will stop sharing.
 
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