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My advice as a sister in Christ, trust that God is able to defend himself...fighting LGF in his thread just makes folks read his OP and promotes his false doctrine.
I would rather fight him this way....by showing how judgemental and robotic his posts are.
You will notice he has started posting links to his thread?
He would rather people not read the truth presented in this one.
I would rather fight him this way....by showing how judgemental and robotic his posts are.
You will notice he has started posting links to his thread?
He would rather people not read the truth presented in this one.
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He thinks of he keeps repeating his lies about how Sunday worship is demonic, he will somehow convince people he is speaking the truth and that he can justify his condemnation of all people who worship on Sunday are carrying the mark of the beast.,,because he believes the Catholic church is the beast in his mind.
People are free to agree with him if they want.
I believe his beliefs are delusion and unbiblical.
I find his post juvenile and disrespectful.
He can't comprehend the scriptures that prove him wrong and in truth nothing I say will change his mind..
So I just give it to God to deal with.
LGF those are my thoughts on your posts, you may now throw a hissy fit.
As for the other people who insist on worship on Sat...I haven't really figured out what they believe..,if they are as extreme as LGF or if they may be redeemed.
People are free to agree with him if they want.
I believe his beliefs are delusion and unbiblical.
I find his post juvenile and disrespectful.
He can't comprehend the scriptures that prove him wrong and in truth nothing I say will change his mind..
So I just give it to God to deal with.
LGF those are my thoughts on your posts, you may now throw a hissy fit.
As for the other people who insist on worship on Sat...I haven't really figured out what they believe..,if they are as extreme as LGF or if they may be redeemed.
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"SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)"
I actually agree.
What I disagree is what God's commandment means concerning the Sabbath.
It's not just one day a week.
Jesus tells us it's about SEEKING FIRST THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and not worryinG about tomorrow,or what you will eat or be clothed with. Its about trusting God every day. It's about doing God's work every day.
Speaking His words every day.
Your sin is that you reject the spiritual truth God has taught and seek to enslave people to Mount Sinai and the Old Covenant.
When will you repent LGF?
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Do, you even read the scriptures you post?
James 2
8If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. 11For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. 13For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
I actually agree.
What I disagree is what God's commandment means concerning the Sabbath.
It's not just one day a week.
Jesus tells us it's about SEEKING FIRST THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and not worryinG about tomorrow,or what you will eat or be clothed with. Its about trusting God every day. It's about doing God's work every day.
Speaking His words every day.
Your sin is that you reject the spiritual truth God has taught and seek to enslave people to Mount Sinai and the Old Covenant.
When will you repent LGF?
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Do, you even read the scriptures you post?
James 2
8If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. 11For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. 13For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
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Again I agree that God's laws are good. What I find fault is your understanding of God's law.
You wish to,teach and practice the LETTER of the law which kills.
JESUS taught the Spirit of what it means to keep the SaBBATH.
TO SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AND trust God to provide for your physical needs. To love others more than self and seek their welfare before your own. To clothe the naked, give food to the hungry, visit orphans, widows and prisoner. To pray without ceasing. To trust fully that Jesus saves you and not your OBEDIENCE or good works.
Will you and others continue to reject Jesus teachings?
You wish to,teach and practice the LETTER of the law which kills.
JESUS taught the Spirit of what it means to keep the SaBBATH.
TO SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AND trust God to provide for your physical needs. To love others more than self and seek their welfare before your own. To clothe the naked, give food to the hungry, visit orphans, widows and prisoner. To pray without ceasing. To trust fully that Jesus saves you and not your OBEDIENCE or good works.
Will you and others continue to reject Jesus teachings?
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If you cut one section from scripture and cut another and string it all together you can make the Bible appear to say whatever you want.
However if you read it all together, then God's message of Mercy and grace comes through all the time.
Salvation is about Faith in Jesus....you can't earn salvation by obedience to any outward laws. You must have an inward change of heart and willingness to follow the Holy spirit, seek first God's kingdom and not try and build your own.
I say all this because I believe we should look at Colossians 2 and see how it's talking about MORE than food and drink.
Then see how many religious traditions have been lead astray because they believe that outward traditions lead to inward holiness..,when God says that inward holiness leads to loving others and good works.
However if you read it all together, then God's message of Mercy and grace comes through all the time.
Salvation is about Faith in Jesus....you can't earn salvation by obedience to any outward laws. You must have an inward change of heart and willingness to follow the Holy spirit, seek first God's kingdom and not try and build your own.
I say all this because I believe we should look at Colossians 2 and see how it's talking about MORE than food and drink.
Then see how many religious traditions have been lead astray because they believe that outward traditions lead to inward holiness..,when God says that inward holiness leads to loving others and good works.
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Colossians 2
6Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
8See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spiritsa of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15He disarmed the rulers and authoritiesb and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.c
Let No One Disqualify You
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,d puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21“Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22(referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
6Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
8See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spiritsa of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15He disarmed the rulers and authoritiesb and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.c
Let No One Disqualify You
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,d puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21“Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22(referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
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Finally have time to answer your post point by point though you will probably reject it.
Yes honesty is always a good place to start..let's are of you continue...
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Matthew 5 but you won't recognise it because it doesn't use the word "Sabbath" but does encompass God's tests as His people are suppose to keep it. Which is the spiritual purpose of the Sabbath.
. yes quite a bit. Just as there is a lot of scripture that says Jesus is our Messiah and would redeem us by dying on the cross. Many people don't see them in the Bible either.
. resting in God and trusting Him to provide....see also year of Jubilee and seven year Sabbaths..,you however ignore any mention of Sabbath except the weekly one because you are seeking to enslave people to the Old Covenant at Mount Sinai.
This post is to long will address the rest in next post.
Yes honesty is always a good place to start..let's are of you continue...
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Where does it say in God's Word that God's Sabbath should be kept EVERYDAY? 
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. yes quite a bit. Just as there is a lot of scripture that says Jesus is our Messiah and would redeem us by dying on the cross. Many people don't see them in the Bible either.
. resting in God and trusting Him to provide....see also year of Jubilee and seven year Sabbaths..,you however ignore any mention of Sabbath except the weekly one because you are seeking to enslave people to the Old Covenant at Mount Sinai.
This post is to long will address the rest in next post.
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I find it telling you ignore James 2 v 13
Mercy is greater the. Judgement.
To you even understand what that means?
The New Covenant is greater than the Old Covenant. The promised Seed inherits not,the children of Hagar...not the those who follow the commandments as given on Mount Sinai but those given by Jesus on the Sermon on the mount.
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You fall short of understanding. Holiness is not just a day or a number. Its resting in God and His finished work. His salvation. His new covenant with us. Trusting that God is saving us and molding is to His image. We don't,have to worry about keepi g or breaking the letter of the law because we follow the Holy spirit who,leads us to live others and leads us,to rest,when God tells us to or work when God tells us to.
.Jesus said the priests profane the Sabbath and are held blameless.
Those who have the Holy spirit are,God's priests and show holy temple. They can work as Jeuss as on the Sabbath and be held blameless. They can also esteem every day as Holy and set apart for God and His service...the true meaning of the Sabbath that you have fallen short in uunderstanding
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Mercy is greater the. Judgement.
To you even understand what that means?
The New Covenant is greater than the Old Covenant. The promised Seed inherits not,the children of Hagar...not the those who follow the commandments as given on Mount Sinai but those given by Jesus on the Sermon on the mount.
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You fall short of understanding. Holiness is not just a day or a number. Its resting in God and His finished work. His salvation. His new covenant with us. Trusting that God is saving us and molding is to His image. We don't,have to worry about keepi g or breaking the letter of the law because we follow the Holy spirit who,leads us to live others and leads us,to rest,when God tells us to or work when God tells us to.
.Jesus said the priests profane the Sabbath and are held blameless.
Those who have the Holy spirit are,God's priests and show holy temple. They can work as Jeuss as on the Sabbath and be held blameless. They can also esteem every day as Holy and set apart for God and His service...the true meaning of the Sabbath that you have fallen short in uunderstanding
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Why are your post so long? And filled with half truths?
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Again I point to the scriptures that state that you should do all work as if for God...making even what you label as "secular" work to be made holy.
However you and others will ignore those scriptures over and over again.
Also God makes Every day Holy in the new covenant just as he makes the bodies of His children His holy tabernacle and them His priests and Ambassadors.
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Again I point to the scriptures that state that you should do all work as if for God...making even what you label as "secular" work to be made holy.
However you and others will ignore those scriptures over and over again.
Also God makes Every day Holy in the new covenant just as he makes the bodies of His children His holy tabernacle and them His priests and Ambassadors.
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I was wrong too many lies and half truths to address in one morning...
Just briefly...yes there are scriptures that day Jesus is our Sabbath rest.
.yes there are scriptures that support calling Sunday "The Lord's day" even though God is Lord EVERY DAY.
No my beliefs are not based upon Catholic doctrine because I have read and know,the Bible. The Holy spirit teaches me what i need to know.just like He teaches anyone willing to pray and learn from Him.
People try and enslave you will false doctrines and man-made lies and pretend it's religion.
Many will trap you with false understanding of Jesus commands.
I encourage all to read your Bible and pray.
God will reveal His truth to your heart.
Don't believe because I said something or someone else told you something....believe because God has shown you His truth and you have studied God's words yourself.
Anyway will try and come back later God willing.
May the Peace of God's love and truth enfold your heart and mind and be a light unto your path.
Just briefly...yes there are scriptures that day Jesus is our Sabbath rest.
.yes there are scriptures that support calling Sunday "The Lord's day" even though God is Lord EVERY DAY.
No my beliefs are not based upon Catholic doctrine because I have read and know,the Bible. The Holy spirit teaches me what i need to know.just like He teaches anyone willing to pray and learn from Him.
People try and enslave you will false doctrines and man-made lies and pretend it's religion.
Many will trap you with false understanding of Jesus commands.
I encourage all to read your Bible and pray.
God will reveal His truth to your heart.
Don't believe because I said something or someone else told you something....believe because God has shown you His truth and you have studied God's words yourself.
Anyway will try and come back later God willing.
May the Peace of God's love and truth enfold your heart and mind and be a light unto your path.
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I know we worship different God's and that the scriptures have a greater influence on me it seems than you. But just in case someone else is reading along.
The "Jews" were not following the instructions of the Word which became Flesh. This is a wide spread lie that is at the root of many religious doctrines and traditions.
The Jews were not trying to earn salvation by keeping the Commandments of the God, they were trying to enter in another way, by following their own religion and their own laws.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
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But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Not God (Word which became Flesh)
Matt. 23:4
For they (Not God, the Word which became Flesh) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders;(Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Matt. 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God (Word which became Flesh) by your tradition?
I could go on and on. The Law and Prophets prophesied of Priests who "taught visions of their own mind" Who "speak their own words, not the Word's of God (Word which became Flesh)
Jesus knew this, Peter and James knew this in Acts 15, and Paul knew this truth in Galatians.
The Jews rejected God (The Word which became Flesh) They created their own "Salvation, their own Laws, their own religious traditions and placed them on the shoulders and necks of the people for centuries.
The Word which became Flesh sent them Prophets and they killed them. The Word became Flesh and they killed Him as well.
Paul is speaking to this in Galatians 2.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. (The Pharisees and Jews and their religion which Jesus rejected)
These were the folks the Word, which became Flesh in the person of Jesus, said were NOT His Children, but the children of satan. These were not teaching people to believe in the God of the Bible, they were preaching their own laws and religion as Jesus, both as the Word, and as the Word which became Flesh told us.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Again, the JEWS had created their own religion, their own laws and Jesus rejected them. Peter was being "bewitched" right along with the Galatians.
These Jews were still pushing their version of the Law of Moses, with their version of the Levitical Priesthood, including the sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins, which Jesus had replaced with His Blood.
Of course Paul would not try "to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
It wasn't keeping the Commandments of God which made Jesus reject the Jews. He rejected them because they "Taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men".
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ,(The Word which became Flesh) even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not (Justified) by the works of the lawReligious ceremonies and sacrificial blood letting) for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
But this isn't speaking to the Law and Prophets which hang on the First and Greatest Commandment. Because Jesus said they will be here as long as heaven and earth are here. And I can prove that this earth, is the same earth Jesus was standing on when He made this declaration.
The "Jews" were not following the instructions of the Word which became Flesh. This is a wide spread lie that is at the root of many religious doctrines and traditions.
The Jews were not trying to earn salvation by keeping the Commandments of the God, they were trying to enter in another way, by following their own religion and their own laws.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
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But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Not God (Word which became Flesh)
Matt. 23:4
For they (Not God, the Word which became Flesh) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders;(Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Matt. 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God (Word which became Flesh) by your tradition?
I could go on and on. The Law and Prophets prophesied of Priests who "taught visions of their own mind" Who "speak their own words, not the Word's of God (Word which became Flesh)
Jesus knew this, Peter and James knew this in Acts 15, and Paul knew this truth in Galatians.
The Jews rejected God (The Word which became Flesh) They created their own "Salvation, their own Laws, their own religious traditions and placed them on the shoulders and necks of the people for centuries.
The Word which became Flesh sent them Prophets and they killed them. The Word became Flesh and they killed Him as well.
Paul is speaking to this in Galatians 2.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. (The Pharisees and Jews and their religion which Jesus rejected)
These were the folks the Word, which became Flesh in the person of Jesus, said were NOT His Children, but the children of satan. These were not teaching people to believe in the God of the Bible, they were preaching their own laws and religion as Jesus, both as the Word, and as the Word which became Flesh told us.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Again, the JEWS had created their own religion, their own laws and Jesus rejected them. Peter was being "bewitched" right along with the Galatians.
These Jews were still pushing their version of the Law of Moses, with their version of the Levitical Priesthood, including the sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins, which Jesus had replaced with His Blood.
Of course Paul would not try "to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
It wasn't keeping the Commandments of God which made Jesus reject the Jews. He rejected them because they "Taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men".
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ,(The Word which became Flesh) even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not (Justified) by the works of the law
Religious ceremonies and sacrificial blood letting) for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.But this isn't speaking to the Law and Prophets which hang on the First and Greatest Commandment. Because Jesus said they will be here as long as heaven and earth are here. And I can prove that this earth, is the same earth Jesus was standing on when He made this declaration.
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the laws on Mount Sinai clearly state to "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"
Jesus changed those laws to say that we should forgive and turn the other cheek.
the laws on Mount Sinai clearly state that you should STONE someone who does work on the Sabbath.
Jesus changed that to state that we should do GOD's Work EVEN on the Sabbath and to trust always for God to provide for every thing else. NOT to work for ourselves but ALWAYS work for God.
you can choose to be of Hagar or of the the Promised Seed, Jesus.
Jesus was not speaking against just man made oral traditions. He replaced the Covenant on Mount Sinai with the New Covenant.
some will reject this truth because they wish to stay enslaved and seek to enslave others to the lies and deception they have swallowed.
Jesus changed those laws to say that we should forgive and turn the other cheek.
the laws on Mount Sinai clearly state that you should STONE someone who does work on the Sabbath.
Jesus changed that to state that we should do GOD's Work EVEN on the Sabbath and to trust always for God to provide for every thing else. NOT to work for ourselves but ALWAYS work for God.
you can choose to be of Hagar or of the the Promised Seed, Jesus.
Jesus was not speaking against just man made oral traditions. He replaced the Covenant on Mount Sinai with the New Covenant.
some will reject this truth because they wish to stay enslaved and seek to enslave others to the lies and deception they have swallowed.
Its just that...I am probably being selfish...but I was so excited about this thread when you started it. I thought, a thread for those who are ready to move on! A thread where maybe it will not be futile argument by the dead letter. I thought...oh, she's here to serve us! But instead...it has become a thread that is serving this awful man to continue on in his sin...
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