So great seeing our young people waking up and standing up

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Tommy379

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I'm an American citizen, NOT a global citizen, and don't care what snobs from Australia thinks.

Oh, by the way, you can't educate someone to a higher intellect. It's inherited.
 

tourist

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Well, if that happened the debt might get paid off pretty quick since that would be hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of school district salaries not being paid.
:p
The kids would probably get a better education too out of school rather than in school.
 

PennEd

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I believe you're referring to numeracy and literacy. In recent days at my school we've just had black history celebration. Here are two exerts from my own lesson plans when we explored social justice, racism and prejudice:

Our curriculum aims to provide children with a global education, one which will empower them to, as global citizens, meet the challenges of their times. For us, global education includes, but is much more than learning about the world and its people. It naturally includes international and intercultural education, but global education extends to focus on issues and concerns that affect people and the planet as a whole.

It provides children with an appreciation of interdependence and includes development of ethical and moral thinking in relation to these complex issues. The goal is to promote a sense of social responsibility and positive actions that can help promote sustainable futures for all. None of this could be achieved and there would be severe gaps in the growing child's education and development if we, as teachers, were to "stick to
readin, ritin, and rithmatic" when we manage their social and emotional behaviour daily.

There are multitudes of wrong with home schooling. It goes unmonitored, unchecked and the dismal failure of success rates and outcomes exist for it. Children are kept home to avoid bullying, violence and corresponding gun use in some American schools. It is not because parents object to numeracy and literacy not being the exclusive subjects taught.

If you're as passionate about 'OUR' children as you claim, I encourage you to attend university for 6 - 8 years, qualify as a masters graduate teacher, so you can take a stand in a school to teaching numeracy and literacy exclusively. Or take to the streets with signs, crowds and numbers in protest. Additionally, start with your own children and grandchildren to represent your beliefs and not put them through the government or private schooling system but be home schooled.

​At the heart of the school programme the philosophy is a commitment to developing inquiring, knowledgeable and caring young people who help to create a better and more peaceful world through intercultural understanding and respect. It has seen so much success and children are blessed that it's not only in place but I'm proud to be a part of it.

I guess I have to reiterate. I DON'T WANT YOU TEACHING MY CHILDREN THAT JUNK!

Social justice is just the newest phrase that is the old equivalent to Fascism. It's purpose is to demean, belittle, and dehumanize a particular group, with the erroneous attempt to raise another group. The group de jour to destroy now is white, heterosexual, especially Christian males.
I believe, and teach MY children, AND other children in small groups what Dr. Martin Luther King believed. NOT to judge people, IN ANY WAY, by the color of their skin, and to love ALL.

Baloney to your assessment of home schooled children. You are ignorant in this area. At least when it comes to America. Your views are supremely anti-American, and as I grow older in wisdom, it is becoming crystal clear to me that the MORE organized education, outside of trades and STEM, the MORE indoctrinated and ignorant to the real world one becomes.

I DO NOT want my children to be a "global citizen"!! They are American citizens.
 

Oncefallen

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The kids would probably get a better education too out of school rather than in school.
Home schooled children consistently are disproportionately represented in comparison with their public schooled peers in regional and national science competitions, spelling bees, etc.
 
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we know and love very much a couple, mostly the wife, who is a college graduate, home school their adopted daughter -
even though their daughter came from the worst parents, she perservered and taught her daughter
more than any 'public-school' would even care or ever even think about!!! she is actually to smart for her own britches,
but the Love and 'one-on-one' that she consistently received, we are witnessing as she is maturing
and entering her 20's this special LOVE and un-selfishness from her parents...
we so admire her parents, even through their many mistakes along the way...
 
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We need Christians every where to share the Word. The 215 million brothers and sisters in the persecuted Church are fighting the good fight with little assistance from the rich 10 per cent at the cost of their lives.
 
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And there I was thinking the Word says we are all part of the one body of Christ. Never thought Americans were more perfect and knew more than Christ. Learn something new everyday.Oh and while you're thinking of a reply to use in hate towards a believer in Christ. I'm not Australian.
 
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we just thought that you were a hilly-billy, our roots...no need to be offended...
 

Tommy379

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What is hillbilly on about?
 
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out-house-sowed up at home-stump for chickens to be prepared for dinner, etc. -
nothing you don't know about, but probably never experienced...:eek::)...etc...
 

hornetguy

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Now that's a hillbilly. :p



I think they had the summer Olympics in Georgia, close to where Deliverance was filmed. Part of the canoeing competition was held in a river that must have been featured in the movie.... I heard about a radio DJ saying something to the effect of "well, if Ned Beatty couldn't make it down that river without getting attacked, a Frenchman in bicycle pants doesn't stand a chance!..." Or something to that effect.

I thought it was hilarious....

Guess you had to be there..... :D
 
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I guess I have to reiterate. I DON'T WANT YOU TEACHING MY CHILDREN THAT JUNK!
This current generation, my students, are in a rich, varied and exciting environment with a positive learning culture. In tandem with a strong academic curriculum, students progress on a supported journey of self-discovery. The aim is to develop confident, articulate, ethical children who hold an international outlook.

You have not stated whether you put your own through the school system or taught them at home yourself and I would be interested to hear whether you practiced your belief in this respect. You are more than welcome to teach your offspring at your own discretion - and I encourage you to take your beliefs and graduate from university to be a teacher of numeracy and literacy exclusively. To take to the streets to protest and raise money to fund this desired change in the education system and curriculum design. That will hold integrity and be a lot more effective in voicing your concerns and being the change you wish to see in the world than comments on a web page.

Social justice is just the newest phrase that is the old equivalent to Fascism. It's purpose is to demean, belittle, and dehumanize a particular group, with the erroneous attempt to raise another group. The group de jour to destroy now is white, heterosexual, especially Christian males.
This is outlook is considerably lacking in its understanding of the current curriculum and it's exploration of social justice. Students are very interested in social justice despite not fully grasping the political system, so civics and citizenship delve into this area so they better understand its legislation. It looks at how our students can work together to shape their country into a nation that is fair and equal, for not only themselves, but for all citizens. A fantastic example is what I illustrated to you in a previous post with my lessons on Rosa Parks and Elizabeth Jennings.


I believe, and teach MY children, AND other children in small groups what Dr. Martin Luther King believed. NOT to judge people, IN ANY WAY, by the color of their skin, and to love ALL.

This message was the precise foundation of our black history celebration studies as noted in my earlier post, but perhaps there was no understanding as there's omission of this in ensuing responses.

Baloney to your assessment of home schooled children. You are ignorant in this area. At least when it comes to America. Your views are supremely anti-American

My views are based on my formal education and experiences of living and teaching in America and Australia. Having just come from posting earlier about teaching and celebrating black history celebration at our school and supporting an anti gun stance does not justify a claim that I'm 'supremely anti American'. It's acknowledging the reality of the cultural issues currently experienced and what I believe should be the approach taken for the best outcome for all citizens.

Additionally, you will need to produce credible studies and statistics to back up your claims about home schooling versus mainstream public and private education in America. Having lived and worked in several states, I can speak with experience on the matter about my findings on the outcome of the three differing approaches to education.

I DO NOT want my children to be a "global citizen"!! They are American citizens.

Global citizenship philosophy is a commitment to developing inquiring, knowledgeable and caring young people who help to create a better and more peaceful world through intercultural understanding and respect. Students develop the intellectual, personal, emotional and social skills needed to live, learn and work in a rapidly globalising world.

 

notmyown

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having actually home schooled my children (yes, in spite of my apparent inability to capitalize), i can attest to its efficacy in educating kids. i grant there are parents who ought not be doing this work, but in my limited experience with dozens of other home school families, i've found it superior to government school education. the children can cover the basics of the curriculum in a third the time it takes in government schools, and then there is time for delight directed study.... their choice.

i've also found a bias against home schooling in people who have been trained as teachers. we did have in our group of families a teacher with a Master's degree in it who also agreed. opinions vary, it seems, but by and large, teachers are teachers because they believe in what they're doing, and sadly, have been inculcated to look down on other education methods, and think their way superior. i suppose this is natural.

if anyone would like to interview these now adult children, you will be speaking to engineers, doctors, veterinarians, nurses, librarians, CPAs, fraud analysts, and the list goes on. good luck keeping up with them. lol
 

notmyown

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Home schooled children consistently are disproportionately represented in comparison with their public schooled peers in regional and national science competitions, spelling bees, etc.
you say that as if it's a bad thing. :p
 

hornetguy

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This is outlook is considerably lacking in its understanding of the current curriculum and it's exploration of social justice. Students are very interested in social justice despite not fully grasping the political system, so civics and citizenship delve into this area so they better understand its legislation. It looks at how our students can work together to shape their country into a nation that is fair and equal, for not only themselves, but for all citizens. A fantastic example is what I illustrated to you in a previous post with my lessons on Rosa Parks and Elizabeth Jennings.
While I agree that all people should be treated equally, regardless of race, creed, etc, I'm curious to hear how "a nation that is fair and equal" would look, from your eyes. Fair and equal in what, precisely? Treatment? Income? I guess I'm asking, what would your view of "fair and equal" be?

and supporting an anti gun stance does not justify a claim that I'm 'supremely anti American'.
Perhaps not "supremely anti-American", but definitely un-American. This would be the equivalent of my saying that I don't believe every citizen should have the right to vote. Only property owners should be allowed to vote. Or, that I don't believe the US should allow Muslim mosques to be built here, because of the threat of terrorism.

Wouldn't you be the first to stand and loudly proclaim my "anti-American" views?

Like it or not, firearm ownership is as "American" as the right to free speech, or the right to worship the way you choose. It is a RIGHT, not a privilege that can be withdrawn on demand.

You, of all people should KNOW that....being a teacher and all...:rolleyes: Or, perhaps you bring your biases into the classroom and teach what you believe, instead of what the constitution actually says?
 

hornetguy

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as an aside, yesterday on a local talk radio show, a 14 yr old girl called in to complain about her school. She said that during the "nationwide walkout", all the teachers dismissed their classes, and herded the kids outside. Most of the kids had no clue why they were going outside.

When they were assembled outside, they were told that they were part of the protest against guns, and many of the teachers were taking pictures of the kids, assembled outside the school..... ostensibly "in protest".

This type of thing is blatant manipulation of children for a personal political agenda...

and then, there's this... a teacher in California placed on paid administrative leave, because....

“And so I just kind of used the example which I know it’s really controversial, but I know it was the best example I thought of at the time—a group of students nationwide, or even locally, decided ‘I want to walk out of school for 17 minutes’ and go in the quad area and protest abortion, would that be allowed by our administration?” she said.
But while thousands of students walked out of class, Mrs. Benzel received a letter from her human resources department, informing her she’s being placed on paid administrative leave.
For now, Benzel hopes the national student walkout prompts a bigger conversation, not just about second amendment gun rights, but first amendment free speech.
“If you’re going to allow students to walk up and get out of class without penalty then you have to allow any group of students that wants to protest,” she said.
 

PennEd

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EVERY parent needs to do what this father is doing and sue ALL these school districts!

[video=youtube;Nmjlb1m7oOQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmjlb1m7oOQ[/video]
 

joaniemarie

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I believe you're referring to numeracy and literacy. In recent days at my school we've just had black history celebration. Here are two exerts from my own lesson plans when we explored social justice, racism and prejudice:

Our curriculum aims to provide children with a global education, one which will empower them to, as global citizens, meet the challenges of their times. For us, global education includes, but is much more than learning about the world and its people. It naturally includes international and intercultural education, but global education extends to focus on issues and concerns that affect people and the planet as a whole.

It provides children with an appreciation of interdependence and includes development of ethical and moral thinking in relation to these complex issues. The goal is to promote a sense of social responsibility and positive actions that can help promote sustainable futures for all. None of this could be achieved and there would be severe gaps in the growing child's education and development if we, as teachers, were to "stick to
readin, ritin, and rithmatic" when we manage their social and emotional behaviour daily.

There are multitudes of wrong with home schooling. It goes unmonitored, unchecked and the dismal failure of success rates and outcomes exist for it. Children are kept home to avoid bullying, violence and corresponding gun use in some American schools. It is not because parents object to numeracy and literacy not being the exclusive subjects taught.

If you're as passionate about 'OUR' children as you claim, I encourage you to attend university for 6 - 8 years, qualify as a masters graduate teacher, so you can take a stand in a school to teaching numeracy and literacy exclusively. Or take to the streets with signs, crowds and numbers in protest. Additionally, start with your own children and grandchildren to represent your beliefs and not put them through the government or private schooling system but be home schooled.

​At the heart of the school programme the philosophy is a commitment to developing inquiring, knowledgeable and caring young people who help to create a better and more peaceful world through intercultural understanding and respect. It has seen so much success and children are blessed that it's not only in place but I'm proud to be a part of it.


Hi LauraCharlotte, It's obvious you are one of the GOOD teachers who care about your students lives in the classroom and out. You teachers have been given the IMPOSSIBLE job of picking up the slack for absentee parents. And that is an impossible job for the school to have given you and for the parents to have dumped on the schools. You wrote;

"Our curriculum aims to provide children with a global education, one which will empower them to, as global citizens, meet the challenges of their times. For us, global education includes, but is much more than learning about the world and its people. It naturally includes international and intercultural education, but global education extends to focus on issues and concerns that affect people and the planet as a whole.

It provides children with an appreciation of interdependence and includes development of ethical and moral thinking in relation to these complex issues. The goal is to promote a sense of social responsibility and positive actions that can help promote sustainable futures for all. None of this could be achieved and there would be severe gaps in the growing child's education and development if we, as teachers, were to "stick to
readin, ritin, and rithmatic" when we manage their social and emotional behaviour daily."



That curriculum is the parents job and many parents are not doing it so it has fallen on the public schools and then the individual teachers as they manage the childrens social and emotional behavior on a daily basis 5 days a week. Parents can't be angry with teachers for having been given the parent's job. I see it as the parents fault if its anyone's fault and if fault must be appointed on someone.

Not all parents are absentee., but many are. I hate to say more are absentee than not these days. Those that are not absentee parents are very angry with the public school system for teaching children outside of reading..writing and arithmetic. (they shouldn't be) Quite often the schools curriculum goes against the very teachings we have tried to instill at home about family and how to interact in the family unit. And from a Christian perspective., making Jesus the focal point of that learning. We took our kids out of public schools for that very reason and it wasn't easy.

The majority of students come home to empty homes because parents are working or doing something else. Most kids have no one to help them with homework let alone social problems in daily life questions and a need for love and connection. This has fallen on the teachers as they try to teach but can't because the kids are so overwhelmed with personal issues even the parents have no answers themselves. It's really a mess when the family is torn apart.

There is no solution to this IMO except for parents to teach their own kids if they don't want the public school system to do it. The schools have no choice to deal with the problem. It's a consequence of the times we live in and the choices we made as adults. So for teachers like you Laura the parents should be thanking you and not being angry and against you. You can't do the parents job and you can't not do the job your were given in the curriculum.

So you do your best. God bless you for caring so much and trying. I worked in the public school as a teachers aide with a very lovely and dedicated teacher in my 20s so I soo appreciate teachers like her and you. There are some teachers who do the job of teaching just as a job and really hate going to work each day. Then there are other teachers who look at it as their calling and have a genuine gift for it and a love for their students. MAJOR difference. I've worked with both kinds. ((((hugs)))) and God bless you Laura.
 
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