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Just remember, church, you will be sinning if you convince just one Sabbath keeper to violate his conscience and not keep a literal Sabbath.
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Yes, this is the problem. Its not doing what you feel in your conscience is right that is the problem.
Nobody here (that I know of) has an issue with anyone who chooses to go to church on Saturdays. I think I can speak for most by saying "I couldn't care less", even if they think it makes GOD happy. Whatever. Do your thing. However, don't ever say or imply that believers have to, or should do that, or you will get an earful.
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You still don't get it.
The conscience of the Sabbath keeper tells him he must keep Sabbath for the same reason you and I think we must keep the command to 'do not steal'.
You can't tell him to stop sharing his belief any more than we can be told to stop telling believers that you must not steal.
I think it is you who still don't get it. The man who was banned was not banned for following his conscience in this matter.
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His conscience tells him that he must keep Sabbath in the same way that our conscience tells us to not steal. So are we sinning and doing wrong when we insist that the believer not steal? According to you people we are.
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Are you people arguing against him for the reason he got banned, or because he feels compelled by conscience that believers must keep a literal Sabbath and tells others that?
Well Ariel and Stunned, if you take a hard look at Christianity you will find a lot of changes in the last 175 years. It wasn't generally believed that Jesus was physically and literally going to return to earth, until 1844. The Adventist Movement was started by stating that fact. The Puritans and generally everyone 100 years ago would argue they had to keep the Ten Commandments. That is why we have so many "blue laws" on state's books. They believed that keeping Sunday as the Fourth Commandment. Why do you think so many courthouses have them posted?
It wasn't believed that gifts of the spirit and divine healing were possible until the Pentecostal Movement about 1900. The antichrist has had his way with Christianity for 2000 years. We are in the last days where knowledge will increase (see Dan. 12:4).
These are absolutely the last days. People are traveling to and fro too and there are earthquakes in divers places. The whole thing is starting to unravel but at the same time it is all coming together as part of God's plan.
And yeah, ralph, the moderators really CAN tell him to stop sharing his beliefs that we will not see the kingdom unless we follow HIS conscience in the matter. They have done that very thing by banning him.
Everybody has just said they have no problem with whatever day anyone thinks is holier than another.
Everybody has just said they have no problem with whatever day anyone thinks is holier than another.
The key word is 'was' to be done away but I'm not sure that the bible states that it 'is' done away.
That's fine share your belief, but don't whine and moan and call me a sinner when I share my belief that contradicts yours. The sword cuts both ways.
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So will they ban you for saying that we will not see the kingdom unless we follow your conscience in the matter of 'do not steal', or, 'do not murder'?
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I'm not speculating on that. I'm wondering why you people are against his right to follow his own conscience and tell others about it, just like we have the right to do that concerning 'do not murder'.
If he was doing that in a way that violates the TOS, that's another story. But all I've seen is you people beating him up because his conscience tells him something different than yours. Paul says to let him be guided by his own conscience and let God sort it out. You're destroying the work of Christ if you don't do that.
I can only answer for myself on that. I personally reported him for directly telling Ariel she would never see the kingdom or be given entrance in because of not going to church on Saturday. It is a christian website you know. It is not an SDA website.
Now I know what he said to Ariel would never lead her off, but who else might read it and be harmed?
The point of reference is the time of Moses. The people were beholding the glory then of something that was to be done away with a thousand and more years later via Christ.
I totally agree. Once that the world ought to be crucified unto us, and we unto the world (Gal 2.20), every day for us ought to be sabbath. After all, dead doesn't think, feel, desire, plan or do anything.
The issue IMO was his blatant disregard for forum etiquette by continuously re-posting the same giant walls of copy/paste text over and over and over again. People like that don't want a conversation, they are proselytizing.
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