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Must keep the 7th day Sabbath in order to be saved is a different gospel, as was taught by LGF below:
His doctrine of salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" below is a perversion of the Gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
Originally Posted by LoveGodForever
There is a counterfeit Gospel out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross.
It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God's Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ.
The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.
the person in question here had a link to a website on most every post he put up , and that site said basically that sunday worship is the mark of the beast. that goes way beyond a matter on conscience.
The law of the spirit of life in Christ gives us the liberty to love from the heart, and ignore what earthly day it is. Wouldn't you agree?
Set your mind on the things above, not the things on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. Colossians 3:2-3
That ludicrous SDA doctrine teaches that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast
That just tosses God creation of days, months and years out the window. He made them and passed them on.
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Ariel82
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Posted the wrong link.,, i prefer the orginal version of the song.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-TgyCds3jDM
This is what this issue really boils down to:
Does the law of the spirit of life in Christ allow us to love GOD and man, and ignore what day it is?
Does the law of the spirit of life in Christ allow us to love GOD and man, and ignore what day it is?
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Ariel82
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Let's stop talking about ban folks...we don't know why and it might not even be for the reasons folks assume. Sometimes it's because of private messages and other things..it's all speculation and I would prefer we talk about MORE productive things.
Like how you found God's Sabbath rest today? How did you find peace in Christ and His promises?
Like how you found God's Sabbath rest today? How did you find peace in Christ and His promises?
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Ariel82
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Did Adam and Eve, in the garden of Eden, care about days, months and years in order to keep feasts and offer sacrifices?
Or did they just enjoy the changing of seasons?
Have you study the different ecosystems on Earth?
In the tropics you have a dry season and rainy season....
Biblical scholars believe Eden had a similar climate.
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Ariel82
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Is this like saying you will be sinning if you convince one Jew to accept Jesus as Messiah?
If we can convince one person to keep the Sabbath as Jesus taught instead of just the letter of the law, then their conscience will line up with the Holy spirit teachings instead of doctrines of men.
People have guilty conscience often due to the fact they are raised in legalistic religions that condemns them if they don't keep every letter of the law...
The True gospel as Jesus teaches shows us that MERCY IS GREATER THAN JUDGEMENT.
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Ariel82
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Do you pray and worship God every day?
I expect my kids to learn and do something educational every day. The setting and people they change as God wills.
Do you only fellowship and worship God one day a week?
So paying attention to days in that sense would be loving mankind. I agree that it's important to pay attention to days if not doing so would harm someone, or if doing so would make someone's life better.
I just have to say again how HRFTD's post blew me away! This is what I long for, to share with each other the spirit of the words that He shows us. I get so tired of arguments and just want to hear what He has shown to everyone!
Yet they will all pass away one day. There will be no days, months and years in what GOD has planned for us.
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea did not exist [any] longer. Revelation 21:1
And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon, that they shine on it, for the glory of God illuminates it, and its lamp [is] the Lamb. Revelation 21:23
You all are being pretty hard on LGF. He only expresses what he has been taught. I think we could get along if none of us speculated on another's salvation. Remember there is a second resurrection. Do we know God's plans are for that?
Too many here do speculate and condemn another to flames forever. What will they do if they find out they are wrong? Will they feel bad or good? I have been told: just because I do something differently, I am implying they are doing it wrong. If they feel that way, the problem lies with them and not me.
This is an interesting comment you made that highlights the difference between how you view things through the law of Moses and how I view them through the law of Christ.
I would never tell someone to not steal because it is against the 8th commandment. I would tell them it's wrong for them to take something that doesn't belong to them. If they said "why", I would ask them how it would feel if someone stole something from them.
The law of Christ
Therefore [in] all [things], whatever you want that people should do to you, thus also you do to them. For this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12
Like Moses, Jesus went up on a mountain to give his law to Israel.
And then it went like this:
The 4th commandment was meant to cause Israel to cease for one day from laboring for the things of this world so that they might know GOD. IMO these verses are where Jesus essentially said, “You have heard that it was said to the people of old [by Moses], ‘Keep the sabbath holy', but I say to you..."
Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. This correlates well with the 4th element of the lord's prayer
Now [when Jesus] saw the crowds, he went up the mountain and [after he] sat down, his disciples approached him. And opening his mouth he began to teach them, saying, Matthew 5:1-2
And then it went like this:
“You have heard that it was said to the people of old [by Moses], ‘Do not murder’, but I say to you ..."
The 4th commandment was meant to cause Israel to cease for one day from laboring for the things of this world so that they might know GOD. IMO these verses are where Jesus essentially said, “You have heard that it was said to the people of old [by Moses], ‘Keep the sabbath holy', but I say to you..."
“No one is able to serve two masters. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You are not able to serve God and money.
“For this [reason] I say to you, do not be anxious for your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, and not for your body, what you will wear. Is your life not more than food and your body [more than] clothing? Consider the birds of the sky, that they do not sow or reap or gather [produce] into barns, and your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they [are]?
And who among you, [by] being anxious, is able to add one hour to his life span?
And why are you anxious about clothing? Observe the lilies of the field, how they grow: they do not toil or spin, but I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory was dressed like one of these. But if God dresses the grass of the field in this way, [although it] is [here] today and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not [do so] much more [for] you, you of little faith?
Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?,’ for the pagans seek after all these [things]. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these [things]. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these [things] will be added to you. Therefore do not be anxious for tomorrow, because tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:24-34
“For this [reason] I say to you, do not be anxious for your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, and not for your body, what you will wear. Is your life not more than food and your body [more than] clothing? Consider the birds of the sky, that they do not sow or reap or gather [produce] into barns, and your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they [are]?
And who among you, [by] being anxious, is able to add one hour to his life span?
And why are you anxious about clothing? Observe the lilies of the field, how they grow: they do not toil or spin, but I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory was dressed like one of these. But if God dresses the grass of the field in this way, [although it] is [here] today and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not [do so] much more [for] you, you of little faith?
Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?,’ for the pagans seek after all these [things]. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these [things]. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these [things] will be added to you. Therefore do not be anxious for tomorrow, because tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:24-34
Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. This correlates well with the 4th element of the lord's prayer
Therefore you pray in this way: “Our Father (1) who is in heaven (2), may your name be treated as holy (3). May your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as [it is] in heaven (4). Give us today our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. Matthew 6:9-13
lovegodforever spent his EVERY waking moment on this forum trying to convince the rest of us to violate our conscience and worship exclusively on a Sunday!
I speak as someone who devoted a lot of time to countering his lies and deceptions.
I can say that I never had a problem with him worshipping on the Sabbath - but I objected strongly to his ongoing, aggressive and very insistent claims that Sunday worshippers would be condemned as carriers of the Mark of the Beast.
LGF also spent a lot of time ridiculing everyone's beliefs who did not agree with his by openly mocking them as not being biblically based....
I decided to use this very issue to challenge his doctrines, and found, surprise surprise, that the basis of his doctrines have NO Biblical foundation whatsoever.
(I already knew the basis of his doctrines having undertaken plenty of research into the history and theology of the SDA church.)
In the process I also discovered that LGF would resort to every tactic of lies, subterfuge, and deception to hide this uncomfortable fact!
This was done in a cynical and calculated fashion - he knew he was lying!
His actions were NOT the actions of a sincere, if misinformed, individual acting according to his conscience....
So, I think you should find a more deserving object for your sympathy!
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