Is the great biblical flood real or not?
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This is IN the Holy City Jerusalem, not a reference to the Earth.
Rev 21:1 only confirms what God has already told me will happen.
Don't understand the question. Anyone who has a personal Relationship with Jesus Christ, knows God. If you are talking about my Statement that God told me this or that, He has not spoken to me audibly since 1994.
If you will accept it, because He is going to return all that water from whence it came from, Between Earths Atmosphere and Space. Want to know what God told me concerning this topic click HERE.
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DiscipleDave
Radiometric dating is flawed. It is only accurate up to 4,000 years ago. any item tested by this method that is older than 4,000 years ago, has multiple readings from the same item, one test shows the bone to be a million years old, another test on the same bone shows it is a hundred million years old, NOT consistent at all.
What this generation does not understand, is prior to the flood our atmosphere was DIFFERENT. No oceans, No rain, Long age of humans, animals, and plants. DIFFERENT. Dating methods used today are SOLELY BASED on the atmosphere we have today, as if this atmosphere is what we have always had. This is their error. 4,000 years ago the atmosphere we have today was created. Prior to that, it was a DIFFERENT atmosphere.
For example, let us say that one carbon is for one year. That is to say if we find a bone that is two years old, it will have two carbons when tested, So if we find a bone, and carbon test it, and find 100 carbons, we can accurately say that bone is 100 years old, because the rate today in our atmosphere today is one carbon for one year. Now if we take a sample from a bone and carbon date it that is over 4,000 years we get a reading that it is a million years old, take another reading of that same bone it then says it is 10 million years old, and yet another that says different than the first two, they average what they test, and say that bone is ______ years old.
4,000 years ago, that atmosphere was different, lets say it put 100,000 carbons per day. So then if we test a bone that is actually 5,000 years old, it will most certainly read millions of years old, because for a thousand years it was gaining 100,000 carbons a day, but after the flood it was only gaining one carbon a day.
Today all the methods used to age an item, is based on our atmosphere we have today. 4,000 years ago, prior to the flood our atmosphere was NOT like it is today, therefore all attempts to age something over 4,000 years ago is NOT going to be correct.
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DiscipleDave
What this generation does not understand, is prior to the flood our atmosphere was DIFFERENT. No oceans, No rain, Long age of humans, animals, and plants. DIFFERENT. Dating methods used today are SOLELY BASED on the atmosphere we have today, as if this atmosphere is what we have always had. This is their error. 4,000 years ago the atmosphere we have today was created. Prior to that, it was a DIFFERENT atmosphere.
For example, let us say that one carbon is for one year. That is to say if we find a bone that is two years old, it will have two carbons when tested, So if we find a bone, and carbon test it, and find 100 carbons, we can accurately say that bone is 100 years old, because the rate today in our atmosphere today is one carbon for one year. Now if we take a sample from a bone and carbon date it that is over 4,000 years we get a reading that it is a million years old, take another reading of that same bone it then says it is 10 million years old, and yet another that says different than the first two, they average what they test, and say that bone is ______ years old.
4,000 years ago, that atmosphere was different, lets say it put 100,000 carbons per day. So then if we test a bone that is actually 5,000 years old, it will most certainly read millions of years old, because for a thousand years it was gaining 100,000 carbons a day, but after the flood it was only gaining one carbon a day.
Today all the methods used to age an item, is based on our atmosphere we have today. 4,000 years ago, prior to the flood our atmosphere was NOT like it is today, therefore all attempts to age something over 4,000 years ago is NOT going to be correct.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
That is a blatant falsehood that the layers in the Grand Canyon are layered in millions of years. If that were the case then there would be evidence of erosion on each layer. Instead they are straight lines. Just like the mini grand canyon by Mt. St. Hellens caused by its eruption Therefore the layers of the Grand Canyon were created by a catestrophic event at one point in time. Which isotope are you claiming is correct? Several isotopes are used. Each giving a different time. Also archaeologists sent a specimen from the front and back of a living animal and found the front was 10,000 years younger than the back of living animal. With the sample size at times they count atoms of the isotope. I have an archaeologist for a friend. He says they always send in samples to be tested and throw away those that disagree with the pottery method. They find them very unreliable.
Hi DiscipleDave,
Thank you for your reply. I would be pleased to further discuss the atmosphere of earth with you.
In regards to the link you shared, the specific region of the atmosphere that I am most keen to discuss with you is the ionosphere.
Some facts about the ionosphere that I find applicable to this discussion are,
this is the region where radio waves are able to transmit long distances;
if you are going up in space, this is region where temperatures sky rocket, say something like, -20 Celsius to +1500 Celsius in altitude of 60 to 90 miles up.
Have you ever wondered what is in the ionosphere that can cause or effect such dynamic things as these facts?
Thank you for your reply. I would be pleased to further discuss the atmosphere of earth with you.
In regards to the link you shared, the specific region of the atmosphere that I am most keen to discuss with you is the ionosphere.
Some facts about the ionosphere that I find applicable to this discussion are,
this is the region where radio waves are able to transmit long distances;
if you are going up in space, this is region where temperatures sky rocket, say something like, -20 Celsius to +1500 Celsius in altitude of 60 to 90 miles up.
Have you ever wondered what is in the ionosphere that can cause or effect such dynamic things as these facts?
Your knowledge of radio metric dating is flawed. There are several isotopes that are used and each gives a different date. Even using a single one the dating gets erroneous The front and back of one animal was different by 10,000 years. I have a friend who is an archaeologist. He stated they always send in samples and throw away those that disagree with the pottery found. That is their real method of dating sites.
Ah, the old.. use other isotopes to get the exact date scam....Also could use the Red Wave in space to measure it....It is all lies.....One of the the greatest scam that has ever been put upon the people. They use circular reasoning...Yes, this pottery was at this layer in the ground therefore, it is this old.......How do we know this layer of dirt is this old....Because we found pottery dating back to then. Oh, I see said the Blind Man.
The Bible tells us the Flood happened and we can date it using the information given to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ...What more do you want.........Please don't call HIM a Liar.....it is not a good idea?
Misunderstanding what I was saying. None of isotope dating methods are reliable. My archaeologist friend told me this. They always send in samples and throw away most of them. They keep only the ones that match the pottery dating. That is their method of dating archaeological sites and was developed over many years years to get it correct. Today there are across the country many places selling dishes. Going to a dump with the record of the different dishes being sold the levels dating levels of the dump can be accurately determined by the dishes thrown away. In the ancient world women as always wanted the current pottery. As today back then changes in pottery spread quickly since the women wanted the latest version. Thus dating using pottery is very difinative.
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If you will accept it, because He is going to return all that water from whence it came from, Between Earths Atmosphere and Space. Want to know what God told me concerning this topic click HERE.
Sorry to disappoint you concerning this ionosphere you are talking about, have no clue about that. God never told me anything specific concerning that layer. He only said the layer between our Heaven and the 2nd Heaven would be refilled with water. Our Heaven being our Atmosphere and the 2nd Heaven being Space. Sorry.
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DiscipleDave
i never said anything about dating sites, and know not what method, real or fake, they use. i only said that radio metric dating is accurate up to 4,000 years ago, but is not accurate past that date. This is TRUE and is not flawed.
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DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave
An archaeologist friend told me your belief is wrong. They live with the results of any isotope dating and find it is erroneous for all times. The flaw is the assumption that there has been a constant and even incoming of radioactive material all over the earth. There is no way to scientifically prove that assumption. We can only record what has happened in recent past and nuclear explosions have happened in relatively recent history making that a problem.
I only know what an archaeologist friend told me. They had a very accurate method of dating sites before radiometric dating. Pottery styles. They have found style and innovating ways of making pottery spread quickly over civilized areas. Women then as today wanted the latest styles and innovation. Men normally are not interested in those things. They could track the spread of the new styles and innovation and found it very quickly spread. Thus it is a very accurate method of dating sites. They could do the same thing in our dumps today. It would be easier since we have documents for dishes for the last 200 years. There would be a layer where melmac dishes were popular for example. That style and method came and went. The problem is there are conflicts with radiometric dating and pottery. Archaeologists stick with pottery and throw away any radiometric data that conflicts with pottery.
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Radioactive material isn’t arriving from outer space, and it didn’t arrive on earth from from some other place.
Therefore radioactive materials were created on earth by some catastrophic means such as events associated with the flood of Noah.
Radioactive materials are created when massive amounts of energy are compressed into atoms and stored in them by elevating the energy levels of the atom. Such high energy levels are unnatural for the elemental atoms and thus, the excess energies are shed by means of radioactive decay.
The compression events inherent to the flood of Noah are probably the cause of the creating of radioactive materials.
The evidence of the flood of Noah is all the huge water laid sediments that today are found laying on all continents to a average depth of about two miles.
The extinction event that fossilized the creatures of the earth in the sediment layers of the earth is the flood of Noah.
Not only is there no deep time evidenced by the sediments, there is also no mechanism by which sediments of such huge depth and areal size can be made, except by the sorting out of suspended materials in deep water.
Materials laid down over long spans of time are not sorted. Deposition of materials in a natural enviroment, that is accumulated slowly over time produces unsorted muck.
Water is the only natural sorting mechanism that exists to produce well defined sediment layers. And deep sediment layers over large areas equates to a huge global flood of deep water over the earth.
Therefore radioactive materials were created on earth by some catastrophic means such as events associated with the flood of Noah.
Radioactive materials are created when massive amounts of energy are compressed into atoms and stored in them by elevating the energy levels of the atom. Such high energy levels are unnatural for the elemental atoms and thus, the excess energies are shed by means of radioactive decay.
The compression events inherent to the flood of Noah are probably the cause of the creating of radioactive materials.
The evidence of the flood of Noah is all the huge water laid sediments that today are found laying on all continents to a average depth of about two miles.
The extinction event that fossilized the creatures of the earth in the sediment layers of the earth is the flood of Noah.
Not only is there no deep time evidenced by the sediments, there is also no mechanism by which sediments of such huge depth and areal size can be made, except by the sorting out of suspended materials in deep water.
Materials laid down over long spans of time are not sorted. Deposition of materials in a natural enviroment, that is accumulated slowly over time produces unsorted muck.
Water is the only natural sorting mechanism that exists to produce well defined sediment layers. And deep sediment layers over large areas equates to a huge global flood of deep water over the earth.
Absolutely true. In fact geology proves it. The grand canyon for example. The lines between the layers are flat and smooth. If done over millions of years they wouldn't be smooth and straight lines. Erosion would have caused a lot variation in the lines. Therefore they were deposited at once with a catestrophic event like the flood. The river going by Mt. St. Helens has the same straight lines cutting through the earth created by the eruption. Another catestrophic event on a smaller scale. There is a very large area in the middle of North America that has the same layers. The middle of the US up into Canada.
There is in fact some radioactive material coming to earth. What you are claiming goes against science. You are claiming neutrons were created and injected into certain atoms to create radioactive material.
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Matter can't be created or destroyed by ordinary means. The extraordinary means is a nuclear explosion. When a nuclear explosion occurs the resulting matter has lost some neutrons. They found this out by looking at the resulting material left. Their destruction creates the force of the explosion. Methinks you didn't think this through.
The rest of your post I agree with.
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Matter can't be created or destroyed by ordinary means. The extraordinary means is a nuclear explosion. When a nuclear explosion occurs the resulting matter has lost some neutrons. They found this out by looking at the resulting material left. Their destruction creates the force of the explosion. Methinks you didn't think this through.
The rest of your post I agree with.
Matter is neither created nor destroyed when atoms are increased in size and given excess energy levels.
For example, high energy cosmic ray particles smash against atoms in the upper atmosphere and create energetic and enlarged atoms that subsequently begin to radioactively decay back to their normal energy ground state. (Making of C14 for example)
And immense compression events and elevated temperatures occurred in continental rock that metamorphed rock. Such as turning limestone into marble.
Natural nuclear reactors have been found in the continental rock. Such a reactor is the result of compression and heat.
Radioactive materials aren’t landing on earth nor arriving here from anywhere. They were formed in place by a catastrophic event of sufficient force. These kinds of forces existed during the flood of Noah.
The scripture says that God, created the earth to be inhabited. And radioactivity is to the contrary of that plan of life on earth, even as destroying the world before the flood wasn’t original God’s plan.
Anyway, you’ll not find the creation of radioactive materials to be contrary to science. It certainly is obvious to me that, for example, radioactive uranium is simply returning to the lead it once was?
For example, high energy cosmic ray particles smash against atoms in the upper atmosphere and create energetic and enlarged atoms that subsequently begin to radioactively decay back to their normal energy ground state. (Making of C14 for example)
And immense compression events and elevated temperatures occurred in continental rock that metamorphed rock. Such as turning limestone into marble.
Natural nuclear reactors have been found in the continental rock. Such a reactor is the result of compression and heat.
Radioactive materials aren’t landing on earth nor arriving here from anywhere. They were formed in place by a catastrophic event of sufficient force. These kinds of forces existed during the flood of Noah.
The scripture says that God, created the earth to be inhabited. And radioactivity is to the contrary of that plan of life on earth, even as destroying the world before the flood wasn’t original God’s plan.
Anyway, you’ll not find the creation of radioactive materials to be contrary to science. It certainly is obvious to me that, for example, radioactive uranium is simply returning to the lead it once was?
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