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You enjoy Lording it over women obviously. That's impression you have left of yourself.
Lucy....for the absence of a woman I would not be here..Women are needed and can preach to other women and children....Yes, they cannot by God's law teach other men or become part of the hierarchy of a congregation. Yet, they are the Backbone of Everything we hold dear.
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7seasrekeyed
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I noticed you cannot think of snappy answers unless you are hurling Bible verses at women or a man that takes exception to your type of conduct
you are not persecuted
move to Iran and put a big 'I am a Christian' sign on your door and start handing out Bibles
then come back and say you are persecuted
Again, your recommendations to read Hills are darkly tainted by your rude and insulting refusal to read James White. Please, understand that intellectual integrity demands that one give both sides of a matter fair hearing, even if one is inclined to read the "other side" with thick skepticism.
What you so unnecessarily toss aside as "hermeneutic flim-flam" is sound principles of interpretation taught at good Bible schools and seminaries.
Whether a passage is clear to you is absolutely irrelevant to anyone else. I don't accept your assertion that this particular passage is "clear" simply because there is no Law in the OT that clearly states that women are to be silent and/or in subjection. Further, it is at least equally clear that Paul allows women to speak in chapter 11. Either chapter 11 is wrong, or your understanding of chapter 14 is wrong.
I have already addressed your understanding of Genesis 3 in another post; perhaps you didn't see it.
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7seasrekeyed
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just like I said
no answer
just distancing from any truthful engagement or actual response
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7seasrekeyed
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don't you have the entire chapter of I Corinthians 14 in your Bible?
you did exactly as I said you would
seems I have your number...well I think most of us do
no actual engagement when someone actually posts a thorough rebuttal to your opinions
if you have proof you can actually digest such a thing, we are waiting for your comments
zzzzzzzzzz.......
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7seasrekeyed
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I disagree
my impression is that no matter how hard he tries he just can't lord it over women so he is...uh...perturbed x 21
sitting behind our computers and all...he can't even make us leave the room so the men folk can enjoy their manliness
Genesis 3:16 is not a command; it is a statement of certain consequence. Therefore it cannot be the verse to which Paul refers in 1 Corinthians 14:34. If it were a command, then a woman in labour taking pain relief would be sinning. If it were a command, it would have been given to Adam as "You shall rule over your wife". Nowhere else (that I can think of offhand) is a command given second-hand like this.
There is another reason why this cannot be what Paul is referencing: it says, "your husband shall rule over you"... singular, not corporate, within the context of marriage, not culture and certainly not the church.
Paul's entire message is freedom from the Law found in Christ. It is ludicrous to suggest that he would enforce an Old Covenant command upon the church.
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7seasrekeyed
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Originally Posted by Nehemiah6
"The Law" can mean many things depending on the context -- anywhere from all of Scripture to just the Ten Commandments. Most commentators believe that Paul is referring to Genesis 3:16 which generically states that men will rule over women (Adam to rule over Eve).
I can't believe you wrote this nehemiah
really
a new low for this forum and it comes from someone I respected
this is just bunk and a sad attempt to make your personal point
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UnderGrace
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This was such an "aha" moment for me, when I understood this was a statement of consequence.
I really appreciate it coming from a man...Thank You!!!
I really appreciate it coming from a man...Thank You!!!
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loyaldisciple
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Your rhetoric is a form of persecution right there. Maybe someday, but for now the U.S. doesn't force Christians to leave.
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loyaldisciple
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It is obvious who is "distancing" and it is you. Those who agree with the Bible have already provided proof for their position numerous times. It is you that cannot offer any biblical proof for your position.
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loyaldisciple
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I disagree
my impression is that no matter how hard he tries he just can't lord it over women so he is...uh...perturbed x 21
sitting behind our computers and all...he can't even make us leave the room so the men folk can enjoy their manliness
It is the BIBLE and the true word of God that has Lorded over you ladies. Can't you see that. Just look at your Bibles and read 1 Corinthians 14:34-14:35. It is clear enough you should be able to understand it.
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UnderGrace
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Sadly, people have used this approach "it is so clearly stated" to say God is okay with slavery too.
You expect an answer?? Are you not the author of:
I don't see you rushing to answer any questions.
I said "most commentators" reference this verse. Check them all out. Perhaps there are other verses which can also be applied. However, here is John Gill's commentary, and others also present the same argument.
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