Are women allowed to Preach?

[Depleted]

I can't believe you wrote this nehemiah

really

a new low for this forum and it comes from someone I respected

this is just bunk and a sad attempt to make your personal point

That's okay. I can't believe you respect him. He's always been an I'm-better-than-you kind of fellow.

 

[Depleted]

Sadly, people have used this approach "it is so clearly stated" to say God is okay with slavery too.

He is okay with slavery. What we've done with that word is what he's not okay with. (Check out the slavery laws. They're pretty cool.)

 

[FlSnookman7]

I guess your pastor did think you were stable enough to at least enter. If you were not under the influence at the service and were sober then you very well could have been stable enough to begin to learn. I didn't say one had to be anywhere close to fully recovered in order to enter. I just said it is not a good idea simply to let anyone to enter. It depends on their condition. A pastor does need to use some discernment in order to protect the congregation he already has.

I was saved in jail. I went to a place called faith farm for about a year. It is a place for alcoholics and addicts. Often I have seen men enter under the influence and some so strung out they could barely speak. Many of those same men are now some of the greatest ambassadors for Christ I have ever seen. While I am not a homosexual I have seen both men and women delivered from that and much worse at places like celebrate recovery. I do not like to ever try and put limits on how God works or who He chooses. He choose me though I was a truly evil person, selfish and greedy. He choose you too and though you may not see it, when He saved you you were just as unworthy and unclean as those you speak of. I have found that humbleness brings blessings, and for me that means never forgetting just how bad I had become before He liberated me.

 

[Depleted]

Either y'all work the same crazy hours I do or you live far, far away!

Insomnia.

 

[Depleted]

But "bad" men were not a part of the rule. If the rule was truly followed there would be no "bad" men in charge of any church. It should not matter what we say or what we think. That isn't what God told us to go by. He didn't tell us to follow our own minds. He told us to do what He said and what he has said is very clear.

Do you think men are in charge of the church?

 

[Depleted]

Please pray for me, i'll take all the prayers I can get.

I'll bet if you asked a black man in America if things are better now than they were 50 or 100 years ago he'd say yes. We like to think we live in the end times but God decides when the end comes, not us.

To compare women to homosexuals is simply wrong and shows perhaps some personal issues you need to work on. Keep following the popes and falwells and swaggerts of this world if you must. I choose to follow God and how and when He chooses to speak to me (the Word, men preachers, women preachers, a donkey by the well, a burning bush, etc) is His choice. Again, it seems like many want to tell God how to be God.

I tend to think what a black man thinks of changes in the last 50-100 years depends on the black man.

 

[Depleted]

Were you sitting in church under the influence of heroin or drunk and at the time ? Were you a homosexual making eyes at all the men ? Were you a thief looking to steal from the church ? Those are examples of not stable enough to enter. I don't know what your level of stability was, but I do know it is not a good idea for a church to just let "anyone" enter their congregation. And I do know a homosexual should never be any preacher.

I came to the Lord during the Jesus People Movement. (Are you really 93, because you should remember those times if you did.)

The druggies flocked in! Yes. Yes! YES! Let the drunks, druggies, sexually-confused, freaks, geeks, and unwashed flood into the church! For that is where they learn God is real and who he is!

 

[Depleted]

I guess your pastor did think you were stable enough to at least enter. If you were not under the influence at the service and were sober then you very well could have been stable enough to begin to learn. I didn't say one had to be anywhere close to fully recovered in order to enter. I just said it is not a good idea simply to let anyone to enter. It depends on their condition. A pastor does need to use some discernment in order to protect the congregation he already has.

I'm tempted to ask what church you go to to make sure I never accidentally walk into that building.

 

[Depleted]

The pastor determines if they are stable enough to enter. If a man is drunk and puking all over, then he should not be allowed to attend the service. If a man is freaking out on heroin, he should not be allowed to attend the service. It is the pastor to make these decisions in order to reasonably protect the rest of his flock. C'mon people you can attack my stance here all that you wish, but you know there are times when a person should not be allowed to enter the church. Do I have to show you the scripture on that too for you to believe ?

Sorry. Every time anyone is allowed to enter. The only time they are approached is if they do 1 Cor. 14 disrupting. (You know the one where you think women shouldn't preach, but really it's about order in the gathering?) And they are most definitely approached then. By one or two elders, (depending on the situation), and then escorted to another room to talk/witness.

IF he/they cannot calm the person down and get to the point of communicating, then, and only then, is the person escorted out. AND, if it is a mental problem, they are escorted out to an ambulance for treatment.

The church should always be open to anyone.

Membership, however, is given to the ones who declare they believe certain things all Christians need to believe.

 

[Depleted]

I never said a word about alienating the person or not trying to help them to Christ. What I said was that it is not a good idea to let just anyone into the service and that is true. All this assuming of what I meant has nothing to do with what I said. Yes, let God do his work and that might require the pastor or another person to meet with them privately at first. Very correct Ben, order must be maintained for the service.

Sure you did. You said people who are stoned shouldn't be allowed in.

 

[BenFTW]

Sure you did. You said people who are stoned shouldn't be allowed in.

Oh the irony. They'd still get stoned if they entered his church.

Okay, okay... sorry. haha Couldn't resist the pun.

 

[hornetguy]

The pastor determines if they are stable enough to enter. If a man is drunk and puking all over, then he should not be allowed to attend the service. If a man is freaking out on heroin, he should not be allowed to attend the service. It is the pastor to make these decisions in order to reasonably protect the rest of his flock. C'mon people you can attack my stance here all that you wish, but you know there are times when a person should not be allowed to enter the church. Do I have to show you the scripture on that too for you to believe ?

Sorry, but you have just gone out where the buses don't run with this diatribe.

People must be "stable" enough to come to the assembly? Show me any kind of scripture for that, Mr "I'm here to teach you the word more clearly"

The "pastor" decides who is stable enough to enter? Show me ANY scripture that says that. Or ANY scripture that says an assembly is run by "a pastor" ..... NOT scriptural at all.

Yes, PLEASE show me a scripture about that... And don't give me the scripture about doing things "decently and in order".... that is strictly about what happens in an assembly, NOT about who gets to attend.

Jesus came to save sinners. He fellowshipped with the lowest of the low in his society... sat down and ate with them. The church assembly is a HOSPITAL FOR SINNERS, for YOUR edification... not some exclusive country club that only those "good enough" can enter...

Your brand of acceptance is sickening, and is why most of the "lost" of this world want nothing to do with it. I urge you to read what Jesus actually did, and what he taught, and repent from your haughty, exclusive beliefs.

You should be ashamed...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course I believe God could use a woman to teach me something. However, that does not change the scripture pertaining to women preaching in the church.

I think this hits on the issue right here, the traditional church model where one man leads a ceremonial what i have come to call “play acting” ceremony which follows a script from begining to end (prayer, sing a hymn, announcments, sing a hymn, read a passage, sing a hymn, prayer, 20minute sermonette, prayer alter call prayer dismisal)i knownot all follow this script. But most churches i have been to follow something like this. Sunday night and wed night services are less stringent. And whats funny, is if we take 1 cor 14 literally, women should NOT be allowed to pray on wed night prayer meeting either, but most placed i have been, even if they follow this allow women to pray (especially the pastors wife) and in most of the sunday school meetings women prayed and spoke openly,

we have gotten away from the NT church model and have followed a traditional model which has preachers, instead of teachers, preaching instead of discipling, and worried more about numbers than souls,

the church has lost its way,

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I think this hits on the issue right here, the traditional church model where one man leads a ceremonial what i have come to call “play acting” ceremony which follows a script from begining to end (prayer, sing a hymn, announcments, sing a hymn, read a passage, sing a hymn, prayer, 20minute sermonette, prayer alter call prayer dismisal)i knownot all follow this script. But most churches i have been to follow something like this. Sunday night and wed night services are less stringent. And whats funny, is if we take 1 cor 14 literally, women should NOT be allowed to pray on wed night prayer meeting either, but most placed i have been, even if they follow this allow women to pray (especially the pastors wife) and in most of the sunday school meetings women prayed and spoke openly,

we have gotten away from the NT church model and have followed a traditional model which has preachers, instead of teachers, preaching instead of discipling, and worried more about numbers than souls,

the church has lost its way,

Of course different assemblies have different styles but that's food for thought. Good post.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I live far far faaaaaaar away.

By what you said, it is obvious you don't see what I'm saying at all. You actually believe it is fine for homosexuals to be leading the church. My oh my, I will pray for you brother. Things getting worse is not simply any perspective. This is also Bible prophesy coming true.

I think we pretty well see what you're saying. You're saying that women preachers paved the way for homosexual preachers.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I don't know why Mel butted in there...

 

[garee]

To prophesy and to preach within a church are two different things. There was no contradiction.

To prophecy by declaring the word of God is to preach it.We preach Christ he does the teaching .The teaching is not in respect to male or female but God who lives and work in both.

The woman being silent in a cerimonial gathering is another subject.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I agree those people need help. Drug rehabilitation, mental therapy, and in general they need to come to God. However, they need to be outside of the congregation until they are stable enough to enter. If you let a bunch of homosexuals, drunkards and thieves into your congregation immediately without treatment, then they are highly likely to destroy the entire congregation and you end up with no church at all. And a homosexual should never be allowed to become any preacher. That is strictly against the will of God as this man is not a man with high moral standard.

But thepublicans and Pharisees asked him, why do you eat with sinners?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

 

[hornetguy]

I don't know why Mel butted in there...

because she lives on the "bottom" of the world?

I know... bad pun....