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How was it taken out of context though?
I am not sure how either "for" or "because" makes any significant difference. Paul seems clear to me, contextually, in verses 9-15 in addressing women in particular. This text also seems to complement the text in 1 Corinthians 14, a text that some say is isolated from all his teachings. I have to in all honesty disagree with that assertion.
I am not sure how either "for" or "because" makes any significant difference. Paul seems clear to me, contextually, in verses 9-15 in addressing women in particular. This text also seems to complement the text in 1 Corinthians 14, a text that some say is isolated from all his teachings. I have to in all honesty disagree with that assertion.
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Out of context because the verse was presented without context with the implication that it stands on its own and needs no contextual nuancing.
Regarding the "for" vs "because", there is a relevant cultural/religious context, part of which was a cultic teaching that Eve was created before Adam, had secret knowledge from the serpent, and did not sin. Within that context, the meaning would be closer to, "the truth of the matter is that...".
Regarding the "for" vs "because", there is a relevant cultural/religious context, part of which was a cultic teaching that Eve was created before Adam, had secret knowledge from the serpent, and did not sin. Within that context, the meaning would be closer to, "the truth of the matter is that...".
I hear you, but with all due respect it appears you're going a little beyond the usage in this thread with all of that. I don't believe any of that to be intended or implied, the context of this thread facilitates this notion.
The context is clear as to the role of women. "For" or "because" do not change that, although I get you on your reference to some cultic teachings. By the way, I was not aware of such a cult, thanks for that tidbit.
The context is clear as to the role of women. "For" or "because" do not change that, although I get you on your reference to some cultic teachings. By the way, I was not aware of such a cult, thanks for that tidbit.
My advice hit the target and was perfectly directed at the offending one, namely you. Your words aimed at others were designed to demean and had nothing to do with "simply repeating Scripture."
You're simply unteachable, unrepentant and dead set on continuing to sow discord, remain divisive and behave offensively toward other believers. Romans 16:17 was written just for this purpose in order to avoid you and those of your ilk.
You're simply unteachable, unrepentant and dead set on continuing to sow discord, remain divisive and behave offensively toward other believers. Romans 16:17 was written just for this purpose in order to avoid you and those of your ilk.
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The comments suggesting that the words "little lady" somehow demonstrates a bias against women is ridiculous. What if someone was speaking to a male and said "sonny boy", would that somehow demonstrate a bias against males ? Your claims have no basis in fact supporting any sexual bias. If anything it may indicate one person is older than another, that is all.
I get it: You were told your words offend and demean, but you don't care about offending others, "pffffftttt" on them. You? You're more concerned about how you feel, about your rights, and being "right" so offending others doesn't matter, others feelings are expendable as far as you are concerned.
In other words your behavior isn't Christ-like nor remotely Christian.
In other words your behavior isn't Christ-like nor remotely Christian.
Context would dictate that it does.
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. (1Co 14:37-39 KJV)
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. (1Co 14:37-39 KJV)
Just because Phoebe was a servant of the church does NOT automatically translate into her becoming a deaconess. There was no such office. The NT is crystal clear that there are ONLY TWO offices in the local assembly (1) elders (pastor/elder/bishops) and (2) deacons. And one of the qualifications of a deacon was they they must be married and their WIVES must meet certain criteria.
Furthermore, when the first group of deacons was appointed (although not termed as such, but given the responsibility of deacons) in the Jerusalem church, the apostles clearly specified that MEN were to be appointed, even though the issue was women (widows) being neglected. This is decisive and was undoubtedly under the authority of the Holy Spirit.
Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business (Acts 6:3).
ἐπισκέψασθε οὖν, ἀδελφοί ἄνδρας ἐξ ὑμῶν μαρτυρουμένους ἑπτὰ πλήρεις πνεύματος Ἅγιου καὶ σοφίας οὓς καταστήσομεν ἐπὶ τῆς χρείας ταύτης
Strong's Concordance
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: anér
Phonetic Spelling: (an'-ayr)
Short Definition: a male human being, a man
Definition: a male human being; a man, husband.
Furthermore, when the first group of deacons was appointed (although not termed as such, but given the responsibility of deacons) in the Jerusalem church, the apostles clearly specified that MEN were to be appointed, even though the issue was women (widows) being neglected. This is decisive and was undoubtedly under the authority of the Holy Spirit.
Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business (Acts 6:3).
ἐπισκέψασθε οὖν, ἀδελφοί ἄνδρας ἐξ ὑμῶν μαρτυρουμένους ἑπτὰ πλήρεις πνεύματος Ἅγιου καὶ σοφίας οὓς καταστήσομεν ἐπὶ τῆς χρείας ταύτης
Strong's Concordance
anér: a man
Original Word: ἀνήρ, ἀνδρός, ὁPart of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: anér
Phonetic Spelling: (an'-ayr)
Short Definition: a male human being, a man
Definition: a male human being; a man, husband.
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