Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

[seed_time_harvest]

You're not saying the 10 Commandments are the curse of the Law, right? But, rather, the impossibility of keeping them is the curse of the Law, I hope? Sin is the curse. Sin is what was nailed to the Cross. Its wages - death - is the price Jesus paid on our behalf for the forgiveness of SIN.

The Big Ten are still in effect. While we don't HAVE to keep them and keeping them is NOT required for salvation; as Christians, we WANT to keep them because they are Holy, Just, & Righteous and as such, are FOR us, not AGAINST us.

Jesus even said there are 2 great commandments: Love the Lord Thy God with all thine heart, soul, mind, & strength; & the 2nd, which is like unto the first, love thy neighbor as thyself. One commandment is for our relationship with God; the other for our relationship with others. The remaining 8 fall under one or the other of the 2 great commandments.

Those who are not In the body of CHRIST must be perfect to be accepted as righteous by GOD and no one thats still under law can be perfect because of the weakness of the flesh they will come short of the glory of GOD.

The law Is not sin Its GOD’s perfect standard of righteousness but man could not be perfect and GOD loves righteousness so then everything had to be done perfectly right before GOD would accept man so then there was only one way for man to be perfect and that would be grace through faith In the WORD of GOD,JESUS the messiah.

 

[Cee]

Reading these posts is so interesting to me. I have a question, what are your thoughts about when Paul said the entire law is fulfilled by loving one another, which law was he referring to?

 

[Magenta]

I have a question, when Paul said the entire law is fulfilled by loving one another, which law was he referring to?

All the law and all the prophets

 

[Studyman]

Reading these posts is so interesting to me. I have a question, what are your thoughts about when Paul said the entire law is fulfilled by loving one another, which law was he referring to?

Isn't the entire Bible a teaching about How God instructs people to Love Him, and to Love others?

 

[Cee]

Isn't the entire Bible a teaching about How God instructs people to Love Him, and to Love others?

Well, I would say it’s mostly about God’s love for us and His love through us. The NT especially. And I believe the OT is really to show we need a Savior. And that the idea we can do something to make ourselves righteous before Him is pride.

 

[Studyman]

I look at it this way. When paul said what he did in Gal 3. What laws specifically was he talking about.

If you go back in duet 27 (where paul quoted the words of Moses) you will see Moses commanded the people to engrave the law which he had given in stone when they crossed the river. commands which start in chapter 4. and include the ten commands. He gives many laws, which he said the children of Isreal must obey when they cross the river. And in chapter 27, he commanded they write these laws in stone, and anyone who did not confirm and obey every law was under a curse. That curse of course is death.

the Bible answers your question EG.

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

If you have a son and you tell him not to stick a paper clip in a wall socket, and not to stick his hand in the garbage disposal, and to not run out in the street to chase a ball, and tell him if he does any of these you will spank him. Why would you spank him? Is it not because all of these instructions are for his well being. He doesn't know this because he is just a kid. But you know better than him. These things you told him not to do are "REALLY BAD", very dangerous for him. Exceedingly bad. Even though he might not think so.

Paul is saying the same thing about God's Instructions. Refusing to listen to Him and do as he says is "REALLY BAD", really dangerous, "Exceedingly sinful", that is why the penalty is so high.

The kid isn't afraid of the wall socket, sink or street, he is afraid of the spanking until he grows up and sees the wisdom of the Commandment given to him be someone much more intelligent and knowledgeable. He may test you and get a spanking, but you will forgive him. Hopefully he will not maim himself or worse yet, get run over during his youth which is why you gave the commandments in the first place.

The curse isn't the commandment, its what happens if we refuse to follow the commandment.

 

[Studyman]

Well, I would say it’s mostly about God’s love for us and His love through us. The NT especially. And I believe the OT is really to show we need a Savior. And that the idea we can do something to make ourselves righteous before Him is pride.

No question we need a savior. I just think we should follow His Instructions and His Path, and not religious men or doctrines that look or sound good to us.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

I believe these stories are written for the reasons The Bible says they were written, for our admonition. I don't know how to Love unless God instructs me. I won't know what God instructs unless I study. I won't follow the instruction unless I believe in Him. Like Abraham did.

2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When all these words were being said, there was no New Testament. There was only the Old Testament.

Paul said it was therein that the Righteousness of God is revealed. (Rom. 1) I believe him.

 

[Cee]

No question we need a savior. I just think we should follow His Instructions and His Path, and not religious men or doctrines that look or sound good to us.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

I believe these stories are written for the reasons The Bible says they were written, for our admonition. I don't know how to Love unless God instructs me. I won't know what God instructs unless I study. I won't follow the instruction unless I believe in Him. Like Abraham did.

2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When all these words were being said, there was no New Testament. There was only the Old Testament.

Paul said it was therein that the Righteousness of God is revealed. (Rom. 1) I believe him.

It’s good we both agree we need a Savior. I do believe there is a lot of evidence that the gospels were already recorded. And that the apostles knew their letters were inspired. Peter even refers to Paul’s letters. The good news for us is that the laws of God are now written on our heart. So our fruit comes out of His indwelling work in us. So now I pray we have eyes to see Him in Scripture where the Pharisees had a veil. And this veil is removed by turning to the Spirit of the Lord. And HE is our Teacher.

 

[Jackson123]

Rom. 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

It seems you are mistaken Jackson 123. Paul broke God's Laws and was killed just as the scriptures say. And it is God's Congregation which showed Him the Law and thus Spiritually stoned him to death.

So God's Spiritual intent of this Law is still being carried out to this day. "For the wages of sin is death". But I believe the Word which became Flesh can raise Paul up again, and myself so I can serve Him in Newness of the Spirit, and not remain dead as the letter states.

1. you believe Paul broke God's law and die. Wich law he broke? Is he broke sabbath law?

2. Than you say God's congregation showed him the law? Wich law? What do you mean by God congregation? Jew or Christian?

what do you mean by the law in #2? Is that sabbath law?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Reading these posts is so interesting to me. I have a question, what are your thoughts about when Paul said the entire law is fulfilled by loving one another, which law was he referring to?

All the 613 laws in the Torah (if we assume that number as accurate) reflect the Ten Commandments, and the Ten Commandments have been distilled into two commandments, which boil down to one commandment -- love. So indeed the entire law if fulfilled through the Law of Love.

 

[JaumeJ]

Family in Christ, if you are sincere in you belief in Jesus and you have received faith from God in Him, why do you not simply read and learn from Him directly, that is, learn from God as is prophesied?

He, by two manners reveals all, by His teaching and by HIs Example. If you think you learn from Him and see He has broken His own laws, then you are not hearing the teaching that comes with His action(s).

Read all of the Word and apply the three principles He has taught us all, faith, mercy and justice. In fiath there is love, in mercy there is reason to overlook so many of the punitive measures of the law and in true justice there is pardon where desired.

All who "boil" down the laws, ordinances and statutes of both the Old and dNew Testaments to Love are truly correct in thier words, but do they realize that all of the laws, ordinances and stastutes that make up truly loving others, being contaned in Love are yet in force'd?

There are so many today and since the first adv ent of Jesus who tout theat word a lot, yet ask yourself, ae they winning non-blievers to Jesus by their love? It is hardly noticeable between many7 so-ñcalled bretheren when you observe, especially in forums about the Word.

Love one another first, then spread that love to others who do not yet believe, even to your enemies..and if that should mean those of Islam so be it........do not change the Word according the Gossple or you do not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ in your heart. Allo blessing always in Yeshua........j

 

[Terrie431]

Those who are not In the body of CHRIST must be perfect to be accepted as righteous by GOD and no one thats still under law can be perfect because of the weakness of the flesh they will come short of the glory of GOD.

The law Is not sin Its GOD’s perfect standard of righteousness but man could not be perfect and GOD loves righteousness so then everything had to be done perfectly right before GOD would accept man so then there was only one way for man to be perfect and that would be grace through faith In the WORD of GOD,JESUS the messiah.

Right on all counts! The very purpose of the Law is to show ALL of mankind its need for a Savior. It was the purpose then; it's the purpose now. No one - whether still under the Law or not - can be, or is, Perfect for the reason you stated (Romans 3:23).

It isn't the Law that's the problem, for again, as you stated, the Law is Perfect. Mankind is the problem and has been ever since Adam and Eve's disobedience. Whenever God and man don't get along, or, in other words, are separated from each other, man is always at fault.

By Grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, our sins are covered by His Precious Blood He willingly and voluntarily shed for forgiveness of sin. Then, and only then, does God the Father see us as holy and blameless before Him. Then, and only then, are we able to boldly come to His Throne of Grace and to have a personal relationship with Him. It is The Only Way.

Thanks for the reply seed_time!

 

[PS]

1. you believe Paul broke God's law and die. Wich law he broke? Is he broke sabbath law?

2. Than you say God's congregation showed him the law? Wich law? What do you mean by God congregation? Jew or Christian?

what do you mean by the law in #2? Is that sabbath law?

Paul, before his conversion, wasn't aware he was breaking God's law. The law he followed while he was called Saul was Jewish law, i.e. the 613 Mizvot Laws some of which require the death penalty, thereby breaking God's law and condemning both the accuser and the accused.

He was known for persecuting Christians and believed he was doing God's will. God will have thought otherwise.

 

[JaumeJ]

The fllowing was posted in error elsewhere.....I tried to place the url for it, but this came up so here it is in whole.

Family in Christ, if you are sincere in you belief in Jesus and you have received faith from God in Him, why do you not simply read and learn from Him directly, that is, learn from God as is prophesied?

He, by two manners reveals all, by His teaching and by HIs Example. If you think you learn from Him and see He has broken His own laws, then you are not hearing the teaching that comes with His action(s).

Read all of the Word and apply the three principles He has taught us all, faith, mercy and justice. In fiath there is love, in mercy there is reason to overlook so many of the punitive measures of the law and in true justice there is pardon where desired.

All who "boil" down the laws, ordinances and statutes of both the Old and dNew Testaments to Love are truly correct in thier words, but do they realize that all of the laws, ordinances and stastutes that make up truly loving others, being contaned in Love are yet in force'd?

There are so many today and since the first adv ent of Jesus who tout theat word a lot, yet ask yourself, ae they winning non-blievers to Jesus by their love? It is hardly noticeable between many7 so-ñcalled bretheren when you observe, especially in forums about the Word.

Love one another first, then spread that love to others who do not yet believe, even to your enemies..and if that should mean those of Islam so be it........do not change the Word according the Gossple or you do not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ in your heart. Allo blessing always in Yeshua........j

 

[seed_time_harvest]

That was made necessary because they were cursed under the law.

Anyone who Is not saved by Grace through faith will be condemned by the law.

 

[Jackson123]

Paul, before his conversion, wasn't aware he was breaking God's law. The law he followed while he was called Saul was Jewish law, i.e. the 613 Mizvot Laws some of which require the death penalty, thereby breaking God's law and condemning both the accuser and the accused.

He was known for persecuting Christians and believed he was doing God's will. God will have thought otherwise.

yep he was expert in OT, and it mean he observe Saturday sabbath. And brother study man say than God's people showed him the law, spiritually stoned him to death.

I never hear the term spiritually stoned to death.

 

[PS]

yep he was expert in OT, and it mean he observe Saturday sabbath. And brother study man say than God's people showed him the law, spiritually stoned him to death.

I never hear the term spiritually stoned to death.

"Stoned to death" is a good term though, considering the context.

 

[Jackson123]

"Stoned to death" is a good term though, considering the context.

but I don't understand how God's people stoned Paul to death spiritually. Kill him spiritually?

 

[JaumeJ]

I am in total agreement with this truth, but never if it makes out our Lord, Jesus Christ, to b e a liar when He teaches on the Law, and this all must learn.....what Jesus teaches, not a some kind of vote by flesh.

Anyone who Is not saved by Grace through faith will be condemned by the law.

 

[PS]

but I don't understand how God's people stoned Paul to death spiritually. Kill him spiritually?

That was Paul's own view of himself, he described himself as the vilest of sinners.

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

1 Tim 1:15