Healing through the Son

[Depleted]

Yes, lets belittle. Come on Didymous, not nice.

As I understand Lancelot, he believes healing is part of the Gospel because the apostle Paul was preaching and someone out of the blue had faith for healing.

Acts 14:6-10 King James Version (KJV)

6 They were ware of it, and fled unto Lystra and Derbe, cities of Lycaonia, and unto the region that lieth round about:
7 And there they preached the gospel.
8 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:
9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.

How in the world does someone hear the Gospel and then, having been a cripple from their mother's womb (never walked), believe that they can be healed and walk? What part of the Gospel was the Apostle Paul sharing on that caused this man, impotent in his feet, to all of a sudden believe he could walk, right then and there?

If healing is not part of the Gospel, if it isn't a fringe benefit, how in the world does the thought cross a person's mind that they can be healed? What inspired that faith within them? It says the apostle Paul perceived he had the faith to be healed, after hearing the Apostle Paul speak.

There is a correlation being made, between what Paul preached, and how the man responded in faith, for healing.

Also passive-aggressive thinking. You're so deep into it, you don't get that someone else might not be a passive-aggressive. Didy was not being you. He was not belittling. I know this, because aggressive me wanted to swat him for even suggesting Joan put up yet another Prince video.

So how about not belittling someone just because you think that's your turf?

 

[Depleted]

I'm having heart surgery soon. If God healed everyone I wouldn't need it. But since I do I suppose you think I should have more faith. God's Grace is sufficient enough I don't need my body healed thank you!

Do you go to church? Or do you meet with other Christians? If so, ask them to lay hands on you and pray for God's will in this. Because how do you know it's not God's will to heal you miraculously, unless you have the laying of hands to find out if that is his will? Miracles DO happen. But praying is involved.

Miracles are rare, but they do happen.

And just so you know, I also think it is miraculous when God gives surgeons and scientists the understanding of how to repair something as delicate and tough, and as important as the heart. And I think it is a miracle whenever we come out of surgery better than when we go in. BUT, you don't know what God is going to do, until you avail yourself of all of his options.

 

[joaniemarie]

Paul's thorn in the flesh specifically says that it is a "messenger of satan" in the text. Ailments being treated instead of miraculously cured still points to God, because who created the world inwhich we reside and provided the means of using the materials available to us in order to recover? God has provided on both fronts.

The unhealed are not faultless according to scripture, yet also neither are the ministers. They are not faultless because of their beliefs (not that they don't have faith, for what faith can be had in ignorance?). The truth will set you free. Deception hinders us when we embrace its illusions.

PennEd, you don't make a case from scripture, but emotionalism. Such emotions we ought to be thoughtful of, yes, but not to the degree that we would dismiss or make up doctrines so as to not offend. The real consequence here is allowing experience to dictate what is true in God's word, nullifying faith.

And why it is so important to learn to walk in our new creation in Christ (our born again spirit) because our flesh with it's experiences was our way of life. It was how we learned to respond to life and God. But until Jesus saved us and we were born again we didn't have the capacity to see or know spiritual things because we were spiritually dead in our sins. We couldn't respond to the Holy Spirit's leading.

Today In Christ we are alive to God. Now we are called to walk IN Him. Not in our old manner of living but in the new man. Daily we need to be renewed in the spirit of our minds. The inward man is renewed DAY BY DAY. If we are not willingly aware of this need and participating in this renewal process we will be subject to the dictates of the flesh (that old manner of life)

We are co laborers with Him in this walk. We work "out" what Christ has worked "in" us. And we do it by faith not by sight.

 

[Depleted]

Not to be too blunt, but cardiovascular disease is a result of dietary consumption and lifestyle choices. It isn't about you needing more faith, but taking practical steps towards a healthier life style. Instead of doing heart surgery, you might want to look into less invasive methods such as dietary changes. Look up Dr Caldwell Esselstyn or Dr Dean Ornish.

I don't know the specifics of your situation, but research it.

Know the words I'm really thinking of saying to you would get me two things -- a whole lot of likes and banned. So, I'm not going to say to you what I'm thinking.

You have a lot of GALL saying that though. He's your age! How dare you think it had to do with lifestyle choices or diet? Why wouldn't you assume he was born with a defective heart?

How cruel you are in your passive-aggressiveness.

And the WoF house of cards just fell completely down. So God doesn't do miracles? He employees us to make healthy life choices? God's not in this at all, except as a gumball machine. Insert enough coins, and you get candy in return.

Flick. The last joker has just been flicked off the table. And a cruel joker it was. House of cards dismantled.

 

[Depleted]

The risk is a complete reevaluation of a core belief. In this case an erroneous belief that Jesus' death means that it is ALWAYS God's Will to physically heal people, IF the person, OR the person praying for the sick, has enough faith. If they pray for someone, and that person is not healed, what are they going to do? Blame God? Blame themselves? Blame the afflicted? They KNOW we all believe God heals, but in a desperate attempt to excuse their doctrine, they claim we say He doesn't, because we believe it must be in accordance to God's Will and purposes.

Just an utterly pernicious doctrine. It is difficult to admit when you might be wrong, but some people tend to get more and more tenacious and angry, as they attempt to cling to a falsehood, rather than admit they might be wrong. As with many sins, at it's core, is PRIDE.

I can unreservedly say that I have no problem being wrong, especially on this issue. But the more this becomes THE issue, almost to the exclusion of the Gospel unto salvation of the soul, to some people, the more apparent the falsehood becomes.

I like what Stunned said awhile back, "Whatever a person is filled with, will spill out, when they are bumped". And we are seeing some bad stuff being spilled out.

I can believe it's pride. But I don't understand that. When John was very sick, (the first time), and we became broke, (since he was the only breadwinner), pride had to leave in a hurry, or we'd be living in our car. Pride left so hard, living in our car didn't seem like such a bad thing.

Sickness by sickness, disability by disability, pride was stripped away. And yet always a desire to be healed. I think of most WoFers as sick upon sick, disability upon disability, worser and worser, with the only hope being healing.

How many healers can you go to and then come home from unhealed? How many times do you have to beg for something as simple as enough food in the house to last a weekend? How many slaps in the face can you receive from family and friends because you desperately need, and they won't or can't give? Somewhere in all that the thought that God isn't going to heal me has to come through. Then what?

Whether you think God deserted you, think he doesn't exist, or think maybe he has a purpose in this too, something has to give.

Old Lynn and Old John would have never let you into our house, if our Old Pride had remained. Of course it's embarrassing for people to see what we've become. BUT to give up the opportunity of seeing what God would do for us? I've been praying for those front windows even before I became disabled. Had I held onto pride too hard, that would never have happened. AND, I'd be kicking myself so hard and so often, my tush would be my belly by now.

I am so glad God stomped my pride down to a pulp. I think it still kicks sometimes, but God's still working on me. Way too good to want to give up.

Pride + $5 will get us to Jersey and back again. lol

 

[Depleted]

You see, you're saying that a person can seek God for healing and the Lord will deny them. This, however, isn't found in scripture. On the contrary, those that sought Jesus received healing. You're preaching contrary to God's word, from a perspective that is void in scripture. You share your experiences in life, and those of the people that have lived throughout history and around us, as if they offer a proper perspective on the truth. No... I'm sorry to say, it shows their experience in life in accordance with their beliefs.

That may be too forward a statement, but we must understand that to put personal experience over God's word is to halt its impact in our lives. This is the truth. What I hear from so many is, almost, an anti-faith mindset. We come up with doctrines to eliminate personal responsibility. We comfort ourselves in the guise of humility. "Your will be done Lord." No... His will is revealed, believe!

This message may offend some, and let me tell you, the Lord has spoke the same to me. "Believe." Believe because He is good. Believe because your sickness is not of God, but will be used for His glory if even just for your sake. Believe because Jesus Christ of Nazareth is alive and is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Believe because the promises of God in Christ Jesus are "Yes" and "Amen." Believe, believe, and believe some more. See the Father's heart, and the glory of the Son when healing happens in the name of Jesus.

Sickness destroys, but God gives life.

Bzzzzz! Sorry, dude. You just lost credibility when you told the one and only guy on this thread who told of a healing he could use that he should make better lifestyle and dietary decisions. Or, you denied that God would heal him.

Of all the people on this thread, the ones least likely to believe in miracles, ends up to be those who try and teach us that God heals!

The joker card is now being swept into the trash can. House of cards was blown away, and you didn't even notice.

 

[BillG]

I found out today that I have not been healed of my pigment dispersion syndrome (eye disease) and will still be constantly monitored by my opthalmologist.

Whilst my eyes are ok I still have a disease that can lead to blindness as a result of agreesive glaucoma.

Had been praying for and prayed over for healing.

Still I thank God

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Originally Posted by BenFTW

Not to be too blunt, but cardiovascular disease is a result of dietary consumption and lifestyle choices. It isn't about you needing more faith, but taking practical steps towards a healthier life style. Instead of doing heart surgery, you might want to look into less invasive methods such as dietary changes. Look up Dr Caldwell Esselstyn or Dr Dean Ornish.

I don't know the specifics of your situation, but research it.



Know the words I'm really thinking of saying to you would get me two things -- a whole lot of likes and banned. So, I'm not going to say to you what I'm thinking.

You have a lot of GALL saying that though. He's your age! How dare you think it had to do with lifestyle choices or diet? Why wouldn't you assume he was born with a defective heart?

How cruel you are in your passive-aggressiveness.

And the WoF house of cards just fell completely down. So God doesn't do miracles? He employees us to make healthy life choices? God's not in this at all, except as a gumball machine. Insert enough coins, and you get candy in return.

Flick. The last joker has just been flicked off the table. And a cruel joker it was. House of cards dismantled.​

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  I am fed up with blowhards on this site that think they know everything. They appear to think they know more about God then most people, appear to believe that their interpretation (although NOT in keeping with over 2000 years of what Christians lived and believed) is always right and now we are being fed totally inaccurate and misleading information regarding a medical condition that is NOT the response of the body to poor eating habits.
  
  I'm not participating in this thread because it is now best to leave certain people to believe whatever they want and I actually wish folks would stop trying to correct the lemmings as they leap from the cliff. God will either mercifully catch them or leave them to the rocks below depending on the condition of their heart. That is a fact and it is obvious no amount of replies to this one way disaster topic are going to change anything but rather keep the very thing you wish to go the way of the dodo, actually going and going stronger.
  
  Nonetheless, that is not the reason I don't bother anymore. However, I am going to comment on Ben's post with regards to heart health.
  
  His comments may reflect what his own doctor has told him with regards to his personal eating habits but please, if anyone suspects they may be having some indications of heart problems, RUSH to your doctor and get an appointment with a specialist.
  
  Someone we know, had QUADRUPLE bypass surgery some years back and the wife was very concerned about diet and , exercise. Apparently, the doctor, the one who actually performed the successful bypass, looked her square in the eye and told her that her husband had HEART DISEASE ...that is the exact phrase this doctor, a specialist, used...and went on to say that no amount of exercise was going to help her husband no amount of eating 'better' was going to help her husband because he had HEART DISEASE . It was in his DNA and no matter how he looked after himself, he was still going to have HEART DISEASE.
  
  The doctor went on to say that some people can smoke and drink and eat all sorts of things not recommended for those who want a 'healthy' diet, and still live longer and NEVER EVER have HEART DISEASE.
  
  Shall I suggest that Bens posturing and trying to seem so self assured is an effort to ensure his apparent sincerity and great general knowledge of all things? Would he suggest he prayed and that is what God told him?
  
  read actual medical facts HERE
  
  yes...diet and exercise can exacerbate heart disease and you can take steps to try and stop or reverse it
  
  BUT not what is cause by DNA
  
  use the brains God gave you people and understand that some folks just have to sound like they know everything and it's all about them. make right choices. you ALL know very well God does not heal everyone and my best advice would be to those who actually know that, would be to ask why you keep this circus going. Ignore it and move on...you are advertising what you want to go away
  
  I will not be answering the purpose of the thread but I was alarmed to see what was written by a non-medical individual who would like to sound like he has all the answers
  
  only God has all the answers and you will not find them by following deceptive teachers, false prophets and lemmings

 

[7seasrekeyed]

and lest one of you learned and self congratulatory sorts try to say that couple should pray, they are both Christians and both understand their lives are in the hands of their Savior and they trust in Him

please don't bother with the usual blather of God will heal if you just pray

what I pray, is that circumstances occur that people who have fallen for this unbiblical teaching, would suffer the results of their own teachings.

now you cannot exactly complain about that.

I know of one person here, who is no longer here, who told a person who was a member of this forum, that God would heal him if he only believed.

I know, because that person died and he and I exchanged both pms here and personal emails

Some of you know who I mean.

The man who died was truly a witness for Christ and could not believe the cruel response to his asking for prayer

to quote the way a mother might speak to an errant child: you ought to be ashamed of yourself. you are most likely still reading here

 

[stonesoffire]

Ed asks why no one answered his question. I've asked the same thing. Many have asked the same thing.

So what do you do? Pretend your answering a question by answering a different question. A question you like. Nothing to do with what anyone actually asked.

Everyone here can give multiple reasons why people are not healed. How about answering the real questions, instead of what we all know?

No one can heal another. I tried to make that point long ago. It's the Lord flowing through us to touch the one in need. Also, being in the spirit is not really understood. It's not a belief, but an experience with Holy Spirit.

So in any ministry whether it's emphasis is on healing or deliverance, one "acts" in union with Holy Spirit. Not on ones own.

Jesus told us how ministry should be. We will either accept or discard His Words.

Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them,and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

This has been lost...but has returned.

Read the verses preceding this one. Will you accept?

Ive had to relearn so many things taught out of fear. The thing is though...experience is the best teacher. Yet, we will have those rise against speaking these things, andvfor what purpose?

Believe what hat has been written, and ask for what is rightfully given in inheritance to us. Faith will open doors.

 

[stonesoffire]

I found out today that I have not been healed of my pigment dispersion syndrome (eye disease) and will still be constantly monitored by my opthalmologist.

Whilst my eyes are ok I still have a disease that can lead to blindness as a result of agreesive glaucoma.

Had been praying for and prayed over for healing.

Still I thank God

I believe my sister in law has that same condition. Will be praying for you. I can feel the compassion from the Lord Bill.

Am sure you have done this, but will ask..have you been anointed?

 

[BillG]

I believe my sister in law has that same condition. Will be praying for you. I can feel the compassion from the Lord Bill.

Am sure you have done this, but will ask..have you been anointed?

Have had hands laid upon me.

 

[stonesoffire]

Am going to share this even knowing it can be ridiculed.

I learned from Holy Spirit that I needed to love my body when I was bedfast. A poor self image will affect us. Plus as members of His body, we need to see our value to Him.

So however the Lord would reveal to us for healing to occur, I suggest you do it even though it might sound odd.

 

[stonesoffire]

Have had hands laid upon me.

Scripture does speak of anointing oil. James I think it is. It's symbolic of His Presence of Holy Spirit upon you.

 

[BillG]

Am going to share this even knowing it can be ridiculed.

I learned from Holy Spirit that I needed to love my body when I was bedfast. A poor self image will affect us. Plus as members of His body, we need to see our value to Him.

So however the Lord would reveal to us for healing to occur, I suggest you do it even though it might sound odd.

My self image ain't that good.

 

[stonesoffire]

My self image ain't that good.

This might sound silly, but my suggestion would be to love your eyes.

Speak resurrection life over them for you do have the same Spirit that raised Him from the dead. Nothing to lose Bill....

And you do have great value to Him in your humility towards others. That's a great gift to have.

 

[Nehemiah6]

My self image ain't that good.

That's because you changed your avatar. Lucy did nothing for Charlie's Brown's self image.

Seriously, every Christian should take time to study their position in Christ and how God sees them, and the issue of self-image will be easily resolved.

Not sure how this has come up on this thread which is promoting a false Gospel. Christians should know the true Gospel thoroughly and stick to it.

 

[BillG]

That's because you changed your avatar. Lucy did nothing for Charlie's Brown's self image.

Seriously, every Christian should take time to study their position in Christ and how God sees them, and the issue of self-image will be easily resolved.

Not sure how this has come up on this thread which is promoting a false Gospel. Christians should know the true Gospel thoroughly and stick to it.

I hear what you are saying.

I have studied ones position in Christ.

Yet interestingly I know what it is, I tell others that yet for some reason I find it hard to accept it for me.

Anyway

 

[stonesoffire]

A gospel preached with signs following is scriptural Nehemiah. Not false.

 

[BillG]

Healing isn't necessarily always physical though is it?