How should I pursue her, without being pushy and keeping God first?

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theteebow

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Hello all! I'm looking for some advice here, hopefully from someone who's had a similar experience that I'm currently facing and would greatly appreciate any sort of helpful response. I'll try to keep it brief, however, I need to fill in some needed details. I'm hoping this may also help some other folks in the same situation as well. This is a long post, so please get comfortable - grab some popcorn or whatever. :p

Firstly; I am a God fearing young-adult, and have accepted Christ as my savior many many years ago. My walk with God has been steadily growing - and as such, a lot of my decisions have been focused on with prayer and counsel. With that out of the way, let's get on with it! :)

Several months ago, a young lady visited our young-adult ministry at the church I go to (and am now on staff at). I actually didn't think much of it until we had a friendly conversation, I noticed (of course) at how beautiful she looked (stay with me). Sparing the rest of the details, I wanted to get to know her more on a personal level - so I asked her to go out with me, for a cup of coffee or something - very casual, a couple weeks later. Only to find out that she had broken up a few days earlier - she politely told me this and said she wanted to take some time for herself and God. I said I completely understand and was very impressed, actually, at her response in her circumstances. Anyway; as time went on, we spoke here and there - breaking casual conversation, the usual small talk stuff. I prayed all the way through this entire process, for God to show me discernment and for Him to heal her heart. My feelings towards never changed, even in the tougher moments when she would flat-out ignore me and pretend I didn't exist (which is never a great feeling). I just kept praying that God would clarify if she was the one I should pursue - so I did, or at least I tried. I definitely made my intentions clear, without going overboard, giving her a thoughtful note attached with one of her favorite winter treats, making thoughtful gestures - just being very nice, showing her that I still have interest in getting to know her.

Time went on; things seemed to be progressing - there were some moments when I stepped back, listened to God with my complete and 100% and went back into things with me head up. God's definitely given me a passion to pursue this young lady. The inevitable happened - yep, the friend zone.

This wasn't necessarily a bad thing, as we were actually going through a dating series at our young adult group - and one of the major points in getting to know someone was through group activities while you're just starting to get to know someone. If you can't have fun with them outside of a relationship, what makes you think you'll have fun inside a relationship (or even marriage)? There was some great wisdom bestowed to everyone involved in the dating study we did, and I definitely learned a lot myself.

As time went on, things have come full circle it feels like. I feel really bad for this girl, because she must have been very hurt by her past relationship. I'm not quite sure how she feels about me just yet, which is why I'm here. I don't want to approach her directly, and ask how she feels about me - because I don't want to scare her or come across blunt. The reason why is mostly due to the inconsistency she acts around me and my family. My parents (who'm I have a fantastic personal relationship with, I often come to them for advice) have asked her over for a friendly movie / board game with us. One time it was with myself, both of my parents and one of my siblings - the other, more recent, had even less parties involved. But, when I ask her if she wants to go on a group activity - I'm met with the "sorry, I've got other plans" response, or at least something similar. While other times, we have talk and have great conversations once and a while. Recently, she's ignoring me again - not even saying "hi" or waving. Even if we're "just friends", doesn't mean we can't talk...

All this to say; I'm really confused here. I've tried reasoning with my parents, and they're just as confused. Why would she bother coming over to our home, when she knows that I like her (or at least I assume she's smart enough to put 2 and 2 together, because I know she is), and that I currently live with my folks at home - so I'm bound to be there! My mom asked me to ask myself "now, if it were you... if you knew that this girl's parents were cool to be around, they asked you over for whatever reason but the girl that's your age likes you in that sense - would you go over?" My answer was "No, because that would just feel awkward to me, and I'm sure the parents would understand." I'm at a loss here, and not sure where to go.

I'm meeting with a friend of mine that went through a similar experience. I'm hoping to see how he "knew" she liked him back, or if it was something that he had to work at. I'm not saying that it will be easy, cause I know it isn't going to be - that's clear, and I'm perfectly okay with "working at it". God's still got this women on my heart, and I keep praying every day for his discernment. My feelings have still unchanged for her, I can't seem to shake them. It's frustrating for me, and I know it has to be for her as well. I don't blame her for the frustration, as I know she's still more than likely recovering from her past break up. But I really would like to know if I'm missing something, because right now I'm not sure where to turn to or how to do it.

How would you all suggest I handle this? I'm obviously going to keep praying, I also journal every few days, on top of other things to keep my mind clear. One of the things I do not want to do is create a soul tie with her - which I've been pretty intentional about. Right now it is all about getting to know her as a person and waiting for God's timing.


Your guys' input is greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read through this! It's late for me here, sorry if there are any grammar issues.


Thanks again all!
 
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Tinuviel

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Hey brother! Welcome to CC. I'm not gonna start of with the "you're so young; you have a ton of time don't rush it" jive, because that's the most infuriating thing out there...but consider it said :p

I'm taking this from the girl's perspective, purely from what you've told, not knowing the situation at all. As a woman, I know I want both! I want my time to heal, but I also want to have friends. This is going to sound pretty strange and manipulative, but it's quite the thing to know you've turned a guy's head, and even if you're not interested in returning that interest, you kinda want to bask in the glow--sometimes I don't even realize I'm doing it. Shoot, it just all around feels good to be liked! So at a guess, that's the inconsistency you're seeing--maybe, kinda sorta? Like I said, pure guesswork based on what you said and what I know of myself and other women.

If it's only been a few months, she's probably still terribly broken and fragile, and doesn't want to go through any of that again. Maybe she's even going through an emotional dry-spell. Keep crying out to the Lord in prayer. Right now, I'd say you just need to give her time.
 

christian74

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I will be blunt with what I think.

She is not interested in you.
Although she comes over to your parents' invitation and all, she's just not interested in you.
Here is the thing - while love is patient, it is not self-seeking. While you are being faithful and being as pure as possible on your end, it is not self-seeking in the sense that you are that person she doesn't feel entirely comfortable with because she knows how you feel about her.

My advice: just drop everything (it's easier said than done, I know), including your interest/feeling/attachment to her and move on with your life. Nothing's wrong with a young man (or any one for that matter) being preoccupied with someone he fell in love with but I think it is pretty clear she is just not interested in you. Move on with your life, develop yourself, and most importantly enjoy your life. Don't let your preoccupation of her block your view of what is before you - the entire world - and move on with your life. Just as she is entitled to be with someone that she wants to be with, you are also equally entitled to be with someone who will appreciate you for who you are and return favor. Good luck and God bless.
 

Magenta

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How would you all suggest I handle this? I'm obviously going to keep praying, I also journal every few days, on top of other things to keep my mind clear. One of the things I do not want to do is create a soul tie with her - which I've been pretty intentional about. Right now it is all about getting to know her as a person and waiting for God's timing.
How does one create a soul tie with someone? I am sorry, but I do not know what you mean. It seems you already are tied to her in some way, even though she is not showing the level of interest in you that you have in her. I agree with both Tinuviel and Christitan74. Take steps to detach yourself from this young woman. Ignore her, even, as she does you. Do not go out of your way to be nice to her, because that just singles her out, and she obviously does not want that at this point. Only time will tell if that will change, but that is not something you can count on. Continue putting God first in your life. You may not know it, but that is a very attractive characteristic to God-loving people.
 
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Sweetmorningdew78

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Hmmmm....you made it clear early from the beginning... and what did she tell you? If she said she is not ready yet but she is hinting that there is a chance for you...then I would tell you to wait for her a bit more...be patient a little bit more...But if she seems not sure whether she is interested or not...don't waste your time anymore...move on don't wait for someone who doesn't know what she wants...






Now, Since she is the person you really want then go for it but keep living your life :)


If things didnt prosper between you and this girl just shake it off yayy You seem like a wonderful young man :) I am sure there is someone out there who will take you without any hesitation :)




Welcome to CC :) and God bless you ❤
 

Lighthearted

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Obviously youve prooved youre interested. Id say, back off. Be friendly toward her...but kinda let her realize what it felt like to have such a great guy treat her so sweetly. Turning the tables might just have her persuing you if shes truly interested.
How long youre willing to wait for her has a lot to say about how much you truly like her.
 
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Lighthearted

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Its kinda like your soul tie...youve planted a seed...water it from afar...but let the SON bring it to life and grow it if He wills it...

Fyi..pushy is never good...negative action gets negative response...
 
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Ugly

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If she were interested and ready you wouldn't need to ask. And she wouldn't be so weird around you. Maybe she likes you. Maybe. But even if so that doesn't mean she's in any place to do anything about it. And you, clearly, pushing her (And, yes, you are pushing, or again, you wouldn't be here asking) isn't helping your case any and may even be the reason she ignores you at times.
Leave her alone. Say hi if you see her, show her you're not upset with her and keep the door open. But stop pushing to get your way (because you are, that's why you're here asking). That's selfish.
And stop waiting for her. Go live your life. Either you'll get over it and move on, or she'll come around if she ever was really interested, and you won't have wasted your time doing nothing waiting.
No one can give you the magic formula to get her to do your will (which is what you're here asking, though you'll deny it), because one doesn't exist.

I'm in a similar situation myself. I actually dated a woman. We knew marriage would happen eventually. It wasn't if, but when. Yet she wasn't ready due to a previous relationship and had to end ours. It's been a few months and we don't even talk. I'm waiting and even wearing my promise ring still. I don't know if she'll ever come back, even after she heals. I have to move forward in my life and pray, first and foremost, she heals quickly. Not for my gain, but for her benefit. Even if we never speak again I want her to feel better. And secondly pray that, when she heals, she comes back. But that has to be secondary, otherwise it's selfish.
 
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joefizz

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How does one create a soul tie with someone? I am sorry, but I do not know what you mean. It seems you already are tied to her in some way, even though she is not showing the level of interest in you that you have in her. I agree with both Tinuviel and Christitan74. Take steps to detach yourself from this young woman. Ignore her, even, as she does you. Do not go out of your way to be nice to her, because that just singles her out, and she obviously does not want that at this point. Only time will tell if that will change, but that is not something you can count on. Continue putting God first in your life. You may not know it, but that is a very attractive characteristic to God-loving people.
I do though the "proper words" are "soul knit" just as David and Jonathan "knitted souls"(loved each other as themselves) despite being quite different them being "friends" we can have our souls "knit" with others in which in a sense you "feel there trials" not something one would want to be "seeking" if you aren't "sure" about someone whether "friend" or possible "lover".
 
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joefizz

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Its kinda like your soul tie...youve planted a seed...water it from afar...but let the SON bring it to life and grow it if He wills it...

Fyi..pushy is never good...negative action gets negative response...
Actually as I imagine Tommy would tell you,some women like a guy who will be more "upfront" because some women/girls don't like so much "silence" from their possible lover because it makes them feel "insecure" concerning the "relationship compatibility" because if a guy doesn't "speak up" a woman/girl might think thoughts like "he must hate me".
 
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joefizz

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Hello all! I'm looking for some advice here, hopefully from someone who's had a similar experience that I'm currently facing and would greatly appreciate any sort of helpful response. I'll try to keep it brief, however, I need to fill in some needed details. I'm hoping this may also help some other folks in the same situation as well. This is a long post, so please get comfortable - grab some popcorn or whatever. :p

Firstly; I am a God fearing young-adult, and have accepted Christ as my savior many many years ago. My walk with God has been steadily growing - and as such, a lot of my decisions have been focused on with prayer and counsel. With that out of the way, let's get on with it! :)

Several months ago, a young lady visited our young-adult ministry at the church I go to (and am now on staff at). I actually didn't think much of it until we had a friendly conversation, I noticed (of course) at how beautiful she looked (stay with me). Sparing the rest of the details, I wanted to get to know her more on a personal level - so I asked her to go out with me, for a cup of coffee or something - very casual, a couple weeks later. Only to find out that she had broken up a few days earlier - she politely told me this and said she wanted to take some time for herself and God. I said I completely understand and was very impressed, actually, at her response in her circumstances. Anyway; as time went on, we spoke here and there - breaking casual conversation, the usual small talk stuff. I prayed all the way through this entire process, for God to show me discernment and for Him to heal her heart. My feelings towards never changed, even in the tougher moments when she would flat-out ignore me and pretend I didn't exist (which is never a great feeling). I just kept praying that God would clarify if she was the one I should pursue - so I did, or at least I tried. I definitely made my intentions clear, without going overboard, giving her a thoughtful note attached with one of her favorite winter treats, making thoughtful gestures - just being very nice, showing her that I still have interest in getting to know her.

Time went on; things seemed to be progressing - there were some moments when I stepped back, listened to God with my complete and 100% and went back into things with me head up. God's definitely given me a passion to pursue this young lady. The inevitable happened - yep, the friend zone.

This wasn't necessarily a bad thing, as we were actually going through a dating series at our young adult group - and one of the major points in getting to know someone was through group activities while you're just starting to get to know someone. If you can't have fun with them outside of a relationship, what makes you think you'll have fun inside a relationship (or even marriage)? There was some great wisdom bestowed to everyone involved in the dating study we did, and I definitely learned a lot myself.

As time went on, things have come full circle it feels like. I feel really bad for this girl, because she must have been very hurt by her past relationship. I'm not quite sure how she feels about me just yet, which is why I'm here. I don't want to approach her directly, and ask how she feels about me - because I don't want to scare her or come across blunt. The reason why is mostly due to the inconsistency she acts around me and my family. My parents (who'm I have a fantastic personal relationship with, I often come to them for advice) have asked her over for a friendly movie / board game with us. One time it was with myself, both of my parents and one of my siblings - the other, more recent, had even less parties involved. But, when I ask her if she wants to go on a group activity - I'm met with the "sorry, I've got other plans" response, or at least something similar. While other times, we have talk and have great conversations once and a while. Recently, she's ignoring me again - not even saying "hi" or waving. Even if we're "just friends", doesn't mean we can't talk...

All this to say; I'm really confused here. I've tried reasoning with my parents, and they're just as confused. Why would she bother coming over to our home, when she knows that I like her (or at least I assume she's smart enough to put 2 and 2 together, because I know she is), and that I currently live with my folks at home - so I'm bound to be there! My mom asked me to ask myself "now, if it were you... if you knew that this girl's parents were cool to be around, they asked you over for whatever reason but the girl that's your age likes you in that sense - would you go over?" My answer was "No, because that would just feel awkward to me, and I'm sure the parents would understand." I'm at a loss here, and not sure where to go.

I'm meeting with a friend of mine that went through a similar experience. I'm hoping to see how he "knew" she liked him back, or if it was something that he had to work at. I'm not saying that it will be easy, cause I know it isn't going to be - that's clear, and I'm perfectly okay with "working at it". God's still got this women on my heart, and I keep praying every day for his discernment. My feelings have still unchanged for her, I can't seem to shake them. It's frustrating for me, and I know it has to be for her as well. I don't blame her for the frustration, as I know she's still more than likely recovering from her past break up. But I really would like to know if I'm missing something, because right now I'm not sure where to turn to or how to do it.

How would you all suggest I handle this? I'm obviously going to keep praying, I also journal every few days, on top of other things to keep my mind clear. One of the things I do not want to do is create a soul tie with her - which I've been pretty intentional about. Right now it is all about getting to know her as a person and waiting for God's timing.


Your guys' input is greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read through this! It's late for me here, sorry if there are any grammar issues.


Thanks again all!
Well a few things I notice from what you shared that come to some plausible points to consider...
1.If she will come around you and family but not you and others in a group she probably doesn't want to be seen with you currently,wants only a "mutual relationship" with you not necessarily as a friend or lover,or she simply is too nervous about being around "groups" in public due to her previous relationship.
2.If you really can't see your soul knitting to hers in the future or currently she may not be who is right for you though it's probably best you simply try "not thinking about" knitting your soul with hers because if you "worry yourself" you might get "tongue tied" and look like a weirdo to her,just be yourself.
 

blue_ladybug

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Leave her alone. Let her heal from her past relationship. Sounds like she's just not that interested in you. And there's no such thing as a soul tie, or soul mates...
 

Mel85

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Hi,

She had you at friendzone - should’ve taken that as a hint.

All the best bro, and welcome to CC :)
 
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joefizz

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Leave her alone. Let her heal from her past relationship. Sounds like she's just not that interested in you. And there's no such thing as a soul tie, or soul mates...
"Soul knit" and it's in the bible and you can take that to the bank
 

theteebow

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Thank you, everyone, for your input!

A majority of you have responded the way I was imagining, which I guess means that I already knew what to do - I just wanted a second opinion from others like myself. I saw a couple replies mention something about how being pushy is selfish. I don’t believe that to be true - as a man, it’s our biblical role to pursue the women God has set out for us. There is a fine line between pursuing, and being a pushover. My question was more related to the pursuit, without getting to that point of being pushy. Sorry if it confused anyone.

Secondly; there seems to be a debate on the “soul-tie” I mentioned. While there is no actual, direct, reference to the word - the soul tie is referring to human behavior and psychology. A soul tie is created when the other person you’re interested takes top priority over everything else in your life - they essentially become an idol, becoming all that you think about, all the time, constantly. I do not believe in soul mates, however, a soul tie can definitely be something that we create with another human being. I’m not talking about “dividing your soul” or kitting them together; this is purely a figurative analogy that helps explain human behavior. Some people wholeheartedly believe in this theory, while I only look to it for its biblical references.

Read through this article for some more information: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.compellingtruth.org/amp/soul-ties.html


Like I’ve said before; God is still calling me to pursue her. This decision comes after weeks of fasting, so I do not take it lightly. However; I’m going to pray about the methods you all suggested. I’ve been feeling like I should step back, watch her grow in Him, and once both her and God are ready - they’ll let me know. But for now, I’m not going to let that stop me from what I love doing (I haven’t let it so far, otherwise what’s the point). I know that both her and God will let me know if anything changes, even in my own life.

If you all have any more suggestions, keep em’ going. :)

Thanks again!
 
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blue_ladybug

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I know that you know this already, but this girl should NOT become an idol for you, or to use your words "be top priority above all else".

I do think your idea of stepping back is a very good one. As someone who has had a bad relationship, the last thing she needs while she's trying to heal, is some guy pursuing her before she's ready to commit again. :) Let her get her head on straight, and if it's meant to work out later on, it will.
 

theteebow

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I know that you know this already, but this girl should NOT become an idol for you, or to use your words "be top priority above all else".

I do think your idea of stepping back is a very good one. As someone who has had a bad relationship, the last thing she needs while she's trying to heal, is some guy pursuing her before she's ready to commit again. :) Let her get her head on straight, and if it's meant to work out later on, it will.
Yeah, I was just trying to clear up what defines a “soul-tie” - more or less. I agree completely.

Exactly - that’s why I honestly believe she’s going through these phases of ignoring me; is just more than likely her remembering her last relationship - which discourages her. I’m willing to wait as long as it will take for her to heal, unless God calls me elsewhere in the meantime. :)