Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

[JaumeJ]

When I read the Law, and study it for its wisdom, prophesy, and understanding, I see the laws of the Priesthood, and I know Jesus Christ has fulfilled all of those laws for He is the High PriestWho has made us priests sto the most High El, God.

I read the laws on punishment and I know He also has fulfilled all of these on the cross though by His own
teaching we learn the laws of punishmet should never have been for they do not contain mercy of any form.

I read the clean laws and I know Jesus Christ made all foods clean when received with thanksgiving for they
become holy.

You are talking here and aiming at "blotting out ordinances" and this may be done by Jesus, but never by mere men.

Were this the case then the two great laws of love would also be apssed, yet they contain the laws given, in the Word, on
moral behavior befitting all who love.

Why is it the Ten Commandments remain, yet you have chosen to "blot out" all of the law becaue you imagine they are pssed?

When I read of the laws of the Temple, I know the Temple is now theBody of Christ with Him as the Chief and the Corner Stone.. He will return to "rebuild" His Temple. Oh tat all would have at least some idea s to what this means......we being living stones of the Temple...and much more.

There is nothing wrong with a love that is anintregal part of love, but you and so many others seem to think that the two laws of Love are exempt from your thinking of the law being extingt, abolished.

If I love, and I pray I do, I forgive my enemies and pray for them. I would never move a neighbor's land mark to benefit my own gains.......there is nothing wrong with obeying these laws, and they also tell us much, but people must listen.

Did Jesus suffer and die for my sins that I should say thingks and contineu in sin? Or you or anyone els for that matter?

The law is fulfilled but the law isnot passed for we are yet not to deliberately break any law that i haning on the laws of Love.

If you obey the Ten Commandments you do well, but if you learn just how the law is fulfilled by Jesus Christ and dnot destoyed as He teaches, you will be doing better.

All blessings in Jesus Chist to all who believe Him enough to not fear the truth.

 

[Ralph-]

So blotting out Saturday sabbath is include in the blotting out handwriting ordinance on that verse.

Yes. They are blotted out. God looks at the person who believes in Christ and sees no outstanding debt of law concerning a literal Sabbath. Sabbath rest is fulfilled in the reality that the type only represented. That reality being Christ.

When a person believes in Christ and walks according to the fruit of the Spirit, God sees the requirement for Sabbath rest fulfilled and satisfied in that person. So there's no reason or purpose for the believer to HAVE to keep the literal stipulations of the Sabbath laws. But more importantly, in the context of Colossians 2, there is no outstanding debt to fulfill anymore concerning RABBINICAL law regarding Sabbath laws. The slavery of the Rabbi's inane judgments is no longer binding on the people of God (remember, by law you HAD to follow them-Deuteronomy 17:10).

Since the literal requirements of the Sabbath itself have been set aside as not needed anymore (that is, not needed to draw near to God now that we are already brought near through the new way of faith in Christ) the rabbinical judgments that drew their strength and authority from the Sabbath law are now rendered impotent and non-binding and are even made a spectacle of.

That is the point of Colossians 2. You can tell Rabbi so and so to talk to the hand when he tries to judge you in how to keep a literal Mosaic Sabbath rest because now even the Sabbath law itself is obsolete (not needed). Paul says they were useless at changing you anyway. They had much ado about carnal things of the world and nothing to do with heavenly things.

 

[PS]

If you obey the Ten Commandments you do well, but if you learn just how the law is fulfilled by Jesus Christ and not destroyed as He teaches, you will be doing better.

One is in our understanding, the other is in our actions.

All blessings in Jesus Christ to all who believe Him enough to not fear the truth.

Living the life, comes from our understanding of the law, and it is our understanding that leads us to walk in paths of righteousness.

So, turning to James, works are the result of faith. First comes the knowledge or the faith and the evidence of that faith that is born of knowledge, can be seen in our works.

Heart first, and works follow, so yes, you are right.

 

[JaumeJ]

It would behoove all were you to share how the Seventh Day Sabbath of the Lord was deemed no longer necessary from the Gospel given by Jesus Christ, that is in His words........

Yes. They are blotted out. God looks at the person who believes in Christ and sees no outstanding debt of law concerning a literal Sabbath.

When a person believes in Christ and walks according to the fruit of the Spirit, God sees the requirement for Sabbath rest fulfilled and satisfied in that person. So there's not reason or purpose for the believer to HAVE to keep the literal stipulations of the Sabbath laws. But more importantly, in the context of Colossians 2, there is no outstanding debt to fulfill anymore concerning RABBINICAL law regarding Sabbath laws. The slavery of the Rabbi's inane judgments is no longer binding on the people of God.

Since the literal requirements of the Sabbath itself have been set aside as not needed anymore (that is, not needed to draw near to God now that we are already brought near through the new way of faith in Christ) the rabbinical judgments that drew their strength and authority from the Sabbath law are now rendered impotent and non-binding.

That is the point of Colossians 2. You can tell Rabbi so and so to talk to the hand when he tries to judge you in how to keep a literal Mosaic Sabbath rest because now even the Sabbath law itself is obsolete (not needed). Paul says they were useless at changing you anyway. They had much ado about carnal things of the world and nothing to do with heavenly things.

 

[JaumeJ]

No one can understand without acting......unless he is reprobate, and I do not believe people here are, not most anyway.

One is in our understanding, the other is in our actions.



Living the life, comes from our understanding of the law, and it is our understanding that leads us to walk in paths of righteousness.

So, turning to James, works are the result of faith. First comes the knowledge or the faith and the evidence of that faith that is born of knowledge, can be seen in our works.

Heart first, and works follow, so yes, you are right.

 

[Ralph-]

It would behoove all were you to share how the Seventh Day Sabbath of the Lord was deemed no longer necessary from the Gospel given by Jesus Christ, that is in His words........

I'm not sure off hand if Jesus himself addressed the issue.

It is the book of Hebrews that explains how the literal observances are set aside because faith in Christ does infinitely better that which the observances were given to do-draw you near to God in worship.

Why do something designed to draw you (and limit you) in worship of God when you are already near to God in worship through the new way of faith in Christ?

It's like thinking you HAVE to take the '46 Buick to work today when there's a brand new Maserati sitting right next to it in the driveway.

It doesn't mean you hate and despise the Buick and smash it's windows out. It means you simply don't need it anymore. And you can show your appreciation for it by taking it for pleasant, voluntary rides in the country with family and friends.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is certain you have red the Creation account in Genesis.

Providing you have, you know that six days our Maker worked, labored, not that He could possibly tire Himself, and

On the Seventh Day, He rested.

Later, as a gift to all who believe, He gaveus the Seventh day to rest with Him.........this is an Honor, not some thing
too hard for us to accept.

Now that Seventh Day is called the Sabbath of the Lord of Sabbath of Yahweh (self-existing.) There are other Sabbaths but nly one Sabbath of the Lord.ññññ

If you believe mercy and Grace give us, flesh, the power to change the order of creation, then you can believe the Sabbath of the Lord has been changed by men to the first day of the week. I do not, and you noranyone can prove by the teaching of the gospel by Jesus, Himself, that the order of creation is changed, it could nto be.

A a thousand yeas is but a day when passed to god, and a dday is now somewhere near the end of the Sixth Day according to the calendar used by the prophets and the ¡the wise............

I do not want the Thousand years of peace to be changed just becasue some people do not understand the prophecy of it.

I'm not sure off hand if Jesus himself addressed the issue.

It is the book of Hebrews that explains how the literal observances are set aside because faith in Christ does infinitely better that which the observances were given to do-draw you near to God in worship.

Why do something designed to draw you (and limit you) in worship of God when you are already near to God in worship through the new way of faith in Christ?

It's like thinking you HAVE to take the '46 Buick to work today when there's a brand new Maserati sitting right next to it in the driveway.

 

[Ralph-]

You're all Gentiles.

You weren't given the Law.

So Romans 2 applies to you:

14For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

The Law is written on our hearts, which is why we need Christ. Because their thoughts accuse or excuse them on that DAY (of Judgment) when God judges the secrets of men's hearts.

Let's stick to the context.

The law is for the people of God, of which the nation of Israel is a picture of. Notice that even when gentiles are drawn near to God, the law is what their spiritual instincts cause them to follow in their hearts.

We no longer have to follow the literal worship laws because they are simply not needed anymore, not because gentiles don't have the law. The law is for the people of God to follow. When a gentile follows God the law of Moses gets written on his heart. So the law surely is for gentiles too. Especially since the whole world is made accountable to God by the law that was given to Israel (Romans 3:19).

 

[Cee]

The law is for the people of God, of which the nation of Israel is a picture of. Notice that even when gentiles are drawn near to God, the law is what their spiritual instincts cause them to follow in their hearts.

We no longer have to follow the literal worship laws because they are simply not needed anymore, not because gentiles don't have the law. The law is for the people of God to follow. When a gentile follows God the law of Moses gets written on his heart. So the law surely is for gentiles too. Especially since the whole world is made accountable to God by the law that was given to Israel (Romans 3:19).

Scripture says Gentiles don't have the Law, I'm simply repeating it. But yes it is written on our hearts, because we ALL need Christ.

As far as Gentiles who accept Christ, there's a distinction, because Paul says we are not Jew or Gentile in Christ. So freedom starts when we unite in Christ. Do you agree righteousness comes apart from the Law?

 

[Ralph-]

It is certain you have red the Creation account in Genesis.

Providing you have, you know that six days our Maker worked, labored, not that He could possibly tire Himself, and

On the Seventh Day, He rested.

Later, as a gift to all who believe, He gaveus the Seventh day to rest with Him.........this is an Honor, not some thing
too hard for us to accept.

Now that Seventh Day is called the Sabbath of the Lord of Sabbath of Yahweh (self-existing.) There are other Sabbaths but nly one Sabbath of the Lord.ññññ

If you believe mercy and Grace give us, flesh, the power to change the order of creation, then you can believe the Sabbath of the Lord has been changed by men to the first day of the week. I do not, and you noranyone can prove by the teaching of the gospel by Jesus, Himself, that the order of creation is changed, it could nto be.

A a thousand yeas is but a day when passed to god, and a dday is now somewhere near the end of the Sixth Day according to the calendar used by the prophets and the ¡the wise............

I do not want the Thousand years of peace to be changed just becasue some people do not understand the prophecy of it.

I am well aware that the Sabbath day is the seventh day of the week. The Catholics had no authority to decide Sunday would now be the Sabbath day. That is a man made law. They did it out of envy of the Jews.

If the Catholics hadn't decided to change the day and institute their own man made system of worship we would all be worshiping God on Saturday's and it would not even be an issue. I have great disdain for what the Catholics have done to the church.

I can't think of a better way to commemorate Christ's work on the cross than to use the very observances that God himself said illustrate it.

 

[Ralph-]

Scripture says Gentiles don't have the Law, I'm simply repeating it. But yes it is written on our hearts, because we ALL need Christ.

As far as Gentiles who accept Christ, there's a distinction, because Paul says we are not Jew or Gentile in Christ. So freedom starts when we unite in Christ.

You're afraid to say when gentiles believe in Christ that they have the law too because you think that means we HAVE to keep the literal observances. Well, don't be afraid for that reason because we don't have to keep the literal observances.

If the Catholics hadn't invented their own system of worship we'd all be observant anyway, just not as a required and necessary way to be in covenant with God. We do that through the new way of Christ, through our faith.

 

[Grandpa]

Matthew 5:17-18

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


What is the implication of this? If you are no longer sacrificing animals and your justification is that the Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled that law you would be correct.

But if you then say that you must go back to some other laws in the OT and follow those you are contradicting the Lord Jesus Christ.
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The Lord either fulfilled the law, the whole law, or He did not. You are either on the hook for all of it or you have been delivered from ALL of it.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

That's pretty simple, right? If you place yourself under part of the law you have placed yourself under ALL of it.

NOWHERE in the bible does it say you get to pick and choose which laws to follow and which laws you don't have to. NOWHERE in the bible does it say to use your "common sense" to follow the laws of your own choosing.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

If you have placed yourself under the 10 commandments then the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has NOT freed you. You are still under the law of sin and death.

Those who are working at the 10 commandments must come to the Lord Jesus Christ to receive Rest from their work. Then, and only then, will the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus make them free from the law of sin and death.


There must be some form of un-belief that causes a person to continue in their own work at the law instead of trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ for ALL blessing and ALL righteousness.

Is ALL fulfilled or not? If ALL is not fulfilled then you are under ALL of it not just your favorite parts.

NOT ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE will pass from the law until ALL is fulfilled.

If you don't understand how or why this is possible it is up to you to study and pray and find out.​

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[Gabriel2020]

1 TIMOTHY; 5-11; Now the end of the commandment is charity(Love) out of a pure heart,and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned. 6;From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7;Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say,nor whereof they affirm. 8.; But we know that the law is good,if a man use it lawfully;; 9;Knowing this,that the law is not made for a righteous man,but for the ungodly and for sinners,for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers,and murderers of mothers , for manslayers; 10; For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons,and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;.......................{ From these scriptures we see that the law of Moses is for the ungodly. When God said that he would write his laws on our hearts, he was not talking about the laws of Moses,because those laws are not for the righteous. He was talking about his laws, starting with the ten commandments,and finishing with the fruits of the spirit.. If these same laws of Moses were written on our hearts, we would still be transgressors of these laws. With God's law written on our hearts., these laws is what causes us to walk righteously with God, having no part in the law of Moses because our hearts have been changed from sin to righteousness.

 

[garee]

So blotting out Saturday sabbath is include in the blotting out handwriting ordinance on that verse.

Ceremonial laws used in ceremonies. They are not for governing the morals of the whole world but preach the suffering of Christ beforehand they make nothing perfect they are shadows of the eternal rest


Ceremonial laws are not what the scripture is refers to as blotting out. They already have no effect

 

[Grandpa]

The 10 commandments are not Gods Law.

The 10 commandments are commanding people to obey Gods Law.

Gods Law is Love, Peace, Joy, etc...

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.​

 

[Terrie431]

The 10 commandments are not Gods Law.

The 10 commandments are commanding people to obey Gods Law.

Gods Law is Love, Peace, Joy, etc...

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.​

Interesting perspective, Grandpa (it's been many years since I was able to say that, so thank you. ).

I just happen to believe that Love, Peace, Joy, Etc., are all contained within the Ten Commandments (The Big Ten), for that is the Spirit in which they were given; & certainly, without a shadow of a doubt, all that Most Excellent Stuff is contained in our obedience, by His Grace, to His Commands.

Thanks!

 

[Cee]

You're afraid to say when gentiles believe in Christ that they have the law too because you think that means we HAVE to keep the literal observances. Well, don't be afraid for that reason because we don't have to keep the literal observances.

If the Catholics hadn't invented their own system of worship we'd all be observant anyway, just not as a required and necessary way to be in covenant with God. We do that through the new way of Christ, through our faith.

You're making an assumption.

I'm not afraid of either. I am telling you flat out. Scripture says Gentiles don't have the Law and there is no Gentile in Christ. I don't go to church on Sunday only, so nope, I wouldn't be observant. Sometimes I go on Tuesday, sometimes Saturday, Sometimes Friday. That's just the building. But then I also have local small groups, but this isn't the complete picture either!

Because first off church is the people, not the place or the time. The idea that we only are supposed to go to church on Saturday isn't at all correct. Here's why: Because right now here on this website, in essence we are having church, when we hang out with other believers' we're having church. Any gathering is "Church". Where two or three are there He is in the midst.

This type of thinking is gnostic and most don't realize it, but all things, all times, all ways are unto the Lord. We don't ever leave His presence.

I keep the Sabbath every single day, every single minute, of every single second. There's not a moment I'm not in rest. Because I'm in Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus not take away the law but establish it

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Adultery, was mean physically, now if you look a woman with lust you are committed adultery.

sabbath or rest, was once a week, now simply by coming to Jesus.

If you looked on a woman back then it was still a sin. It is just the law could not tell you it was a sin, thats why the law is prety much USELESS when it comes to helping people become morally righteous, The law can not tell you ever sin, Just give you a basic list, and said if you do not obey these, then your cursed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So blotting out Saturday sabbath is include in the blotting out handwriting ordinance on that verse.

No, He blotted the PENALTY for not obeying this command on the cross.

If they did not follow the sabbath to the letter. they were sinners, and as James said, break if even one, your guilty of the whole law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Has it been blotted out that we return any of our enemy's lost propert? Shall we, as blievers in the Word, thee Laws of Love, the GodlenRule, etc. blot out these types of "laws" wo we may run willy nilly to steal from our enemies and anyone else for that matter.

If you believe laws that fit into the Golden Rule and the laws of love are blotted out you aree not in the family of Yahweh who gave His only Son for our sins, you have a sect for a religion and that is all.

No one is saying such, why do you keep insisting this is true?