Hebrews 10:26-31

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LW97

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Chester said:
You may believe that once a person is saved, they will always be saved. That is up to you.
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"[FONT=&quot]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." (John 10:28-29)

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Can we pluck ourselves out of God's hand? The answer is no. The next verse says: "[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I and my Father are one." Therefore, as a child of God you are between two hands. If your son runs away from you, does that mean he's no longer your son?
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Chester said:
For myself, I believe that the person who is believing in Jesus Christ has eternal life. He has the downpayment of the Spirit and the testimony of the Spirit in his spirit testifying that He is a son of God. I believe in Jesus Christ and his death and his resurrection. He and He alone is my reason for living!
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I 100 %ly agree with this statement!

Chester said:
I do not believe in "once saved always saved" because I prefer to live with assurance of salvation.
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Well, I prefer to live with assurance of salvation too... but that's the reason why I DO believe in "once saved always saved".

God bless
 
LW97

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blue_ladybug said:
First of all, please read the sticky about hyper grace, by the mods/admin Oncefallen and CS1. It specifically states that we are NOT to post anything on hyper grace.

Secondly, there is no such thing as HYPER grace. Grace is grace, pure and simple. It does not get any plainer than that.
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Amen, and that preacher does not teach hyper grace. He teaches chastisement, he teaches that you must realize you are a sinner to get saved and he teaches your eternal rewards depend on your behaviour. How is that hyper grace? :)
 
LW97

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Chester said:
So then if you cease believing, God will let you into heaven as an unbeliever?
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How long must a person stop believing to become an unbeliever? :)
 
blue_ladybug

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Our eternal rewards do NOT depend on our behavior. As Christians, our SALVATION is what gives us eternal rewards.. Good works will NOT get you to heaven, no matter how many you do.

LW97 said:
Amen, and that preacher does not teach hyper grace. He teaches chastisement, he teaches that you must realize you are a sinner to get saved and he teaches your eternal rewards depend on your behaviour. How is that hyper grace? :)
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blue_ladybug

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Also, we only need to confess Jesus as our Savior, to get saved. Then we are saved by His grace, through our belief and faith. People already know they are sinners.


LW97 said:
Amen, and that preacher does not teach hyper grace. He teaches chastisement, he teaches that you must realize you are a sinner to get saved and he teaches your eternal rewards depend on your behaviour. How is that hyper grace? :)
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blue_ladybug said:
Also, we only need to confess Jesus as our Savior, to get saved. Then we are saved by His grace, through our belief and faith. People already know they are sinners.
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AMEN! THAT'S ABSOLUTELY BIBLICAL!
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Also, we only need to confess Jesus as our Savior, to get saved. Then we are saved by His grace, through our belief and faith. People already know they are sinners.
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Do we have to repent? YES! Here's what repentance is according to the Greek:

[FONT=&quot]3340 metanoéō (from 3326 /metá, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noiéō, "think") – properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards").[/FONT]
 
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blue_ladybug said:
As Christians, our SALVATION is what gives us eternal rewards..
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Are you saying all saved people will be rewarded the same? But 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 says otherwise.
 
Cee

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Labeling preachers as "hyper-grace" is exactly what's not allowed. Moving on to the topic of the thread.
 
LW97

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As blue_ladybug said, there is no such thing as Hyper Grace. Hyper Grace would mean we always were in Grace. That's not true. Everytime we sin, we don't walk in grace.
 
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Cee said:
Labeling preachers as "hyper-grace" is exactly what's not allowed.
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Yeah, I agree there. Even though I personally would label Joel Osteen as it.
 
blue_ladybug

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I'm saying that all saved people will be rewarded, yes. :) Whether we will all get the same amount, I don't know..


LW97 said:
Are you saying all saved people will be rewarded the same? But 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 says otherwise.
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blue_ladybug said:
I'm saying that all saved people will be rewarded, yes. :) Whether we will all get the same amount, I don't know..
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That's also what I was talking about. We will NOT be rewarded THE SAME :)
 
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LW97 said:
Where am I saying that? :)
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Just explain to us what power being killed off has in making it so a person will still be saved when Jesus comes back (1 Corinthians 5:5).


You're laying down a condition that must be satisfied for a person to stay saved (your body dying), at the same time that you claim a person can not lose his salvation.

You say if that condition is not met they will not still be saved when Jesus comes back, yet you insist the saved person can never, and will never lose his salvation.
 
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LW97

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Ralph- said:
Just explain to us what power being killed off has in making it so a person is saved when Jesus comes back (1 Corinthians 5:5).


You're laying down a condition that must be satisfied for a person to stay saved (your body dying), at the same time that you claim a person can not lose his salvation.
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Who prevented this person from losing salvation? Men or God? :)
 
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