Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances
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Thanks, EG.
I have to admit I didn't look that closely, but, as there's no reason not to believe you and it is clearly evident a disagreement is taking place, I have no problem coming from that perspective.
It doesn't make sense to believe we are "required" to obey the Law to - what is it? To maintain salvation? when everyone knows it's impossible. No! We want to obey, what you call and with what I agree, the Law of Love. Everything else stems from that. It did on the Cross. It always has. It will now.
It also doesn't make sense to think by not believing obedience to the Law is "required" means we're "continuing in sin so grace may abound" when we WANT to obey. That's absurd. Lol.
Thanks again!
I have to admit I didn't look that closely, but, as there's no reason not to believe you and it is clearly evident a disagreement is taking place, I have no problem coming from that perspective.
It doesn't make sense to believe we are "required" to obey the Law to - what is it? To maintain salvation? when everyone knows it's impossible. No! We want to obey, what you call and with what I agree, the Law of Love. Everything else stems from that. It did on the Cross. It always has. It will now.
It also doesn't make sense to think by not believing obedience to the Law is "required" means we're "continuing in sin so grace may abound" when we WANT to obey. That's absurd. Lol.
Thanks again!
It's not about me EG, or my way, though that is a tactic used by you and religious man since before they wanted to stone Caleb.
It's about man made religious doctrines vs. what the Word which became Flesh teaches.
The Biblical truth is God "requires love", His Love, not yours. It is a "Commandment" to Love God and to "love" (God's Love) others. For you to preach it isn't is a falsehood.
Christians need God's Laws, direction and instructions, more today than ever. The Word which became Flesh created them for us. For you to preach we don't need them is no different than what the serpent deceived Eve in believing.
The Pharisees rejected God's Laws and created their own. Zechariahs and Abraham did not do this. God's Words are not a curse to God's people as you falsely preach, they are only a curse to those who reject them.
That is why Zechariahs knew Jesus when He came, and the Pharisees did not.
But you can't have that discussion.
104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
As I have said many times, I don't want anyone following me. I want people to heed the warnings of the Christ about preachers who teach differently than He taught. I want them not to just take the words of the "many" self righteous preachers who "Come in His Name", that Jesus warned about, as truth. But to take their words and compare them with the instructions and examples Jesus had created for our admonition. All of them as He directed.
I have done that with your preaching and this is why I oppose it.
I do not understand what do you mean
1. by prophecy of the law
2. You say I teach again all the law, I am giving permission from the author of them so?
A. Who do do you mean the author.
B. I am not the authority, how I give permission, do I have power to give or reject, or punish?
you say, you will stick with the gospel of Jesus, me too.
is that because you are practice Saturday sabbath, than you think you stick with gospel of Jesus?
i believe Jews that practice Saturday sabbath do not believe in Jesus.
so observe Saturday sabbath not automatically stick to the gospel of Jesus.
- 1. If you do not already know the law contains prophecy, I cannot tll you here, but if you read teh Bible it is there.
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A. Wow, you are the authority? My Authority is Jesus Christ.
How can anyone say he is with the Gospel of Jesus Christ when that person has yet to believe Jesus Christ is the Word from Genesis through and inclusive Revelation's last amen?
Jeus Christ, his mission in the flesh, and His return is all in the Old Testament. Also the Gospel is for those who understand. Jesus is even mentioned by name........
You cannot convince anyone if you do not know the above.
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Thanks, EG.
I have to admit I didn't look that closely, but, as there's no reason not to believe you and it is clearly evident a disagreement is taking place, I have no problem coming from that perspective.
It doesn't make sense to believe we are "required" to obey the Law to - what is it? To maintain salvation? when everyone knows it's impossible. No! We want to obey, what you call and with what I agree, the Law of Love. Everything else stems from that. It did on the Cross. It always has. It will now.
It also doesn't make sense to think by not believing obedience to the Law is "required" means we're "continuing in sin so grace may abound" when we WANT to obey. That's absurd. Lol.
Thanks again!
I have to admit I didn't look that closely, but, as there's no reason not to believe you and it is clearly evident a disagreement is taking place, I have no problem coming from that perspective.
It doesn't make sense to believe we are "required" to obey the Law to - what is it? To maintain salvation? when everyone knows it's impossible. No! We want to obey, what you call and with what I agree, the Law of Love. Everything else stems from that. It did on the Cross. It always has. It will now.
It also doesn't make sense to think by not believing obedience to the Law is "required" means we're "continuing in sin so grace may abound" when we WANT to obey. That's absurd. Lol.
Thanks again!
They will tell you they do not believe we are saved by works, Then tell you if you do not work you will lose salvation.
Again it comes to the root. what is our faiht based in, They will claim Christ, yet they will preach law. and if anyone says the law is not the way to true obedience, we are called sinners.
the words Christ is the end of the law means nothing to them.
And if you watch closely, you will see when they run out of arguments, they will start to lie about what others believe.
its like a broken record.
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You prove you do not even know what my teaching is, How can you appose what you do not know.
Again, I am done.
You claim I ignore the teachings of Christ, Your like JJ, You think your right everyone else is wrong. If we agree with you, We agree with Jesus, if we do not, We are against Jesus.
You need to look in a mirror. and start to listen to what people say.
You have not refuted what I said, all you have done is keep attacking, and claiming I am wrong with no proof.
Your silence speaks loudly.
E
Let me be blunt
This person says the law has been fulfilled IN HIM, It means the law has completed its purpose. It is finished.
Then he says if we think the law is dead or non existent in us, We ??
if the law is fulfilled in you, IT HAS DONE ITS JOB, its JOB IS COMPLETED. if the job of the law is NOT COMPLETED then it is NOT FULFILLED in you.
I need mercy and grace because I still sin, I do not need the law to tell me that, IT ALREADY TOLD ME THAT, THATS WHY I CAME TO CHRIST.
I would be FOOLISH to think the law brought me to Christ because I realized I could not fulfill it. to all of a sudden think after I can some how fulfill it. and no longer have to worry about sin. Thats another strawman.
The law said if I commit adultry I am in sin. and am guilty of the law
It DOES NOT TELL ME if I look at a woman in lust, I have sinned, So I can obey that command by the LETTER (be cursed) yet still be in sin (Cursed) even though I obeyed the law.
thats because the law WAS NOT GIVEN to tell me how to live, it was given to EXPOSE I was a sinner. .
The amazing thing is, The sermon on the mount was written to you law people. And like the phairsee, you still do not understand what Jesus was trying to say
This person says the law has been fulfilled IN HIM, It means the law has completed its purpose. It is finished.
Then he says if we think the law is dead or non existent in us, We ??
if the law is fulfilled in you, IT HAS DONE ITS JOB, its JOB IS COMPLETED. if the job of the law is NOT COMPLETED then it is NOT FULFILLED in you.
I need mercy and grace because I still sin, I do not need the law to tell me that, IT ALREADY TOLD ME THAT, THATS WHY I CAME TO CHRIST.
I would be FOOLISH to think the law brought me to Christ because I realized I could not fulfill it. to all of a sudden think after I can some how fulfill it. and no longer have to worry about sin. Thats another strawman.
The law said if I commit adultry I am in sin. and am guilty of the law
It DOES NOT TELL ME if I look at a woman in lust, I have sinned, So I can obey that command by the LETTER (be cursed) yet still be in sin (Cursed) even though I obeyed the law.
thats because the law WAS NOT GIVEN to tell me how to live, it was given to EXPOSE I was a sinner. .
The amazing thing is, The sermon on the mount was written to you law people. And like the phairsee, you still do not understand what Jesus was trying to say
It is always very refreshing to read post by brethren who encourage learning from the Master (Teacher), Himself.
Bewar of any who say they are teaching their ownteaching. Understanding is one then because it is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Please never stop encouraging, edifying all in this great way.......thank you and let us always give the glor to God, amen
Bewar of any who say they are teaching their ownteaching. Understanding is one then because it is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Please never stop encouraging, edifying all in this great way.......thank you and let us always give the glor to God, amen
As much as I'd like to respond to both of you Studyman and what is it? EG (for eternally-grateful), I don't know how.
I read this phrase in one of these forums and it struck me as Good (as I have no idea who said it, I'm unable to properly credit the individual): Christianity doesn't stop at salvation; that's just the beginning - the beginning of our personal relationship, new life, & walk with Christ. Obedience is crucial to that relationship, the nurturing, & growing thereof. We have our part to do. It's our turn. He's done His Part, & so very much more. Obedience...heck, even willing to, if not wanting to.. is, I believe, is a Gift from God.
So, while obedience to God's Commands
(the Law, if you will) is not a condition of salvation, there is no question it is for a True, Good, & Right relationship with the Lord Almighty.
Thanks!
I read this phrase in one of these forums and it struck me as Good (as I have no idea who said it, I'm unable to properly credit the individual): Christianity doesn't stop at salvation; that's just the beginning - the beginning of our personal relationship, new life, & walk with Christ. Obedience is crucial to that relationship, the nurturing, & growing thereof. We have our part to do. It's our turn. He's done His Part, & so very much more. Obedience...heck, even willing to, if not wanting to.. is, I believe, is a Gift from God.
So, while obedience to God's Commands
(the Law, if you will) is not a condition of salvation, there is no question it is for a True, Good, & Right relationship with the Lord Almighty.
Thanks!
That is a good quote. it reminds me of the Salvation plan Jesus as the Word created for us. Passover is not the end of Salvation, but the beginning.
I love this.
Eph. 2:And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Rom. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
I think for those who are truly seeking, Jesus does Gift with the "willingness" or "desire" if you will, to obey God. "Having slain the enmity"
I love how you put it.
For me the only safe place is with Christ and His Teaching.
Thanks for the beautiful reply Terrie :^)
The Gospel that Paul preached was not preached in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:11-12; Ephesians 3:1-12). You seem to be having a difficult time transitioning into the New Covenant.
Paul preached the Gospel "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). Show me that in Habakkuk 2:4. Also show me where what Paul preached in Galatians 1:11-12 and Ephesians 3:1-12 was preached in Habakkuk 2:4 or anywhere in the OT. You don't preach this, nor do SDA's or other misguided teachers of the law, but Paul did.
You continue to mix the Old and New Covenants. Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is heresy. What you fail to understand is that the "good news" the apostle Paul preached after the cross does not share the exact same content as the "good news" that the twelve, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ were preaching before the cross. Yet, they were still preaching the "good news" of the kingdom to Israel.
If the gospel of the kingdom, prior to the cross has the exact same content as the gospel of grace after the cross, then Matthew 10:5-7; 16:21-22; Mark 16:14; Luke 18:31-34; 24:19-24, 44-47, along with Ephesians 3:1-9 is superfluous. Before the cross, the gospel of grace that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.
In Galatians 1:6-9, we see that false teachers were troubling the Galatians and were perverting the gospel that Paul received from Christ by revelation. The Judaizers' perverted the gospel by "adding" requirements (laws) from the Old Covenant as necessary prerequisites to salvation and we have misguided, modern day Judaizers' today who pervert the gospel by "adding" requirements from the OT law, which results in salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Paul refers to this as a "different" gospel, which is no good news at all!
Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is NOT the Gospel of Christ. I preach the Gospel "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).
1 Corinthians 1:21 - For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. *Also see 2 Corinthians 4:3,4.
I absolutely DO believe in the same Gospel as Paul taught, but unfortunately, you are too blind to see it.
Paul preached the Gospel "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). Show me that in Habakkuk 2:4. Also show me where what Paul preached in Galatians 1:11-12 and Ephesians 3:1-12 was preached in Habakkuk 2:4 or anywhere in the OT. You don't preach this, nor do SDA's or other misguided teachers of the law, but Paul did.
You continue to mix the Old and New Covenants. Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is heresy. What you fail to understand is that the "good news" the apostle Paul preached after the cross does not share the exact same content as the "good news" that the twelve, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ were preaching before the cross. Yet, they were still preaching the "good news" of the kingdom to Israel.
If the gospel of the kingdom, prior to the cross has the exact same content as the gospel of grace after the cross, then Matthew 10:5-7; 16:21-22; Mark 16:14; Luke 18:31-34; 24:19-24, 44-47, along with Ephesians 3:1-9 is superfluous. Before the cross, the gospel of grace that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.
In Galatians 1:6-9, we see that false teachers were troubling the Galatians and were perverting the gospel that Paul received from Christ by revelation. The Judaizers' perverted the gospel by "adding" requirements (laws) from the Old Covenant as necessary prerequisites to salvation and we have misguided, modern day Judaizers' today who pervert the gospel by "adding" requirements from the OT law, which results in salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Paul refers to this as a "different" gospel, which is no good news at all!
Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is NOT the Gospel of Christ. I preach the Gospel "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).
1 Corinthians 1:21 - For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. *Also see 2 Corinthians 4:3,4.
I absolutely DO believe in the same Gospel as Paul taught, but unfortunately, you are too blind to see it.
- 1. If you do not already know the law contains prophecy, I cannot tll you here, but if you read teh Bible it is there.
2. Y
A. Wow, you are the authority? My Authority is Jesus Christ.
How can anyone say he is with the Gospel of Jesus Christ when that person has yet to believe Jesus Christ is the Word from Genesis through and inclusive Revelation's last amen?
Jeus Christ, his mission in the flesh, and His return is all in the Old Testament. Also the Gospel is for those who understand. Jesus is even mentioned by name........
You cannot convince anyone if you do not know the above.
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for example, is 10 commandment contain prophecy? If so, prophecy of what?
2. This is a copy of part what you said that confusing me:
"Now you teach against all of the laws because you are given permission from the Author of them to do so when He is explicit, EXPLICIT, on the fact that one should not teach against the least of them."
why you say I teach against all the law? Am I a teacher?.
Than you you said that I am given permission from the Author.
Is that mean the author/Jesus give me permission? Permission of what?
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I am sticking with the Word which became Flesh MMD. You can listen to religious man if you like.
Paul teaches the Gospel of Christ is where the Wrath and the Righteousness of God is revealed. That is the Old Testament. There is no other place to find these things. Only one spirit would want to erase these two things and it isn't the Spirit of Christ.
Habakkuk confirms what the Law and Prophets teach, which is the "Just shall live by Faith". It is the old Testament.
Duet 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God (word which became Flesh) require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
This is called "FAITH" as the Faith Chapter clearly teaches. Where can we find the many examples of Faith written for our admonition? How many of the examples of faith were not from the Old Testament you reject as the "Old Covenant"?
Where does Paul say he teaches from?
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
and again;
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (Jew and Gentile)should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
And where does he find this information?
22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
This is the Good News of the Gospel of Christ that Paul taught. Not what the Catholic church or her daughters preach, but the true Gospel of Christ.
Paul has just told you it is what man calls the Old Testament. Can you accept it?
Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. (Gospel of Christ, Old Testament)You preach a different Gospel MMD, one that rejects the Word which became Flesh, and creates another Gospel, therefore we have a disagreement, much like Jesus and the Pharisees which also created a "different doctrine" from the Commandments of Men, and not from God.
You also preach falsehoods about the New Covenant.
The Word which became Flesh tells us in His Gospel.
Jer.31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Absolutely zero mention of destroying God's Instructions, changing them, amending them, replacing them with a different set of instructions, NOTHING.
He speaks to 2 things here.
#1. How God's Law is administered or mediated. No more Levite Priests to filter the Word.
#2. How sins are forgiven. No more Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.
Hebrews 7 confirms this.
You are free to show me in the scriptures where the new covenant is the replacement of the entire old testament if you can. So far I have asked most of your pals to show this, and they can't. Because it is a creation of man, not God.
The Pope and "many" others who come in His Name preach this different covenant. One where you create your own righteousness and laws and write them on your own heart. A Covenant that destroys the righteousness of God and creates another.
A covenant that erases the Wrath of God, and replaces it with a long haired men's hair shampoo model that has no wrath.
The Jews were still pushing the Levitical Priesthood that the Jesus of the Bible changed as it is written. They still performed the Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. These are those who "bewitched" the Galatians.
"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"
Because you have so little respect for the Word which became Flesh and His Gospel that Paul preached, you can't even see what is right in front of you.
I am not SDA, nor do I belong to any organized religion. I am not perfect but I know God knows better than I so I let Him and His Word's guide my path and not religions which preach falsehoods. I belong to the same Church as Abel and Abraham and Noah and Caleb, and Stephen and Zechariahs and Peter and Cornelius and Rehab and John, and all those mentioned in Heb. 11. And the Head of this Church is the Word which became Flesh, the Christ of the Old Testament who became a man to show us the Way.
REv. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Paul teaches the Gospel of Christ is where the Wrath and the Righteousness of God is revealed. That is the Old Testament. There is no other place to find these things. Only one spirit would want to erase these two things and it isn't the Spirit of Christ.
Habakkuk confirms what the Law and Prophets teach, which is the "Just shall live by Faith". It is the old Testament.
Duet 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God (word which became Flesh) require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
This is called "FAITH" as the Faith Chapter clearly teaches. Where can we find the many examples of Faith written for our admonition? How many of the examples of faith were not from the Old Testament you reject as the "Old Covenant"?
Where does Paul say he teaches from?
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
and again;
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (Jew and Gentile)should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
And where does he find this information?
22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
This is the Good News of the Gospel of Christ that Paul taught. Not what the Catholic church or her daughters preach, but the true Gospel of Christ.
Paul has just told you it is what man calls the Old Testament. Can you accept it?
Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. (Gospel of Christ, Old Testament)You preach a different Gospel MMD, one that rejects the Word which became Flesh, and creates another Gospel, therefore we have a disagreement, much like Jesus and the Pharisees which also created a "different doctrine" from the Commandments of Men, and not from God.
You also preach falsehoods about the New Covenant.
The Word which became Flesh tells us in His Gospel.
Jer.31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Absolutely zero mention of destroying God's Instructions, changing them, amending them, replacing them with a different set of instructions, NOTHING.
He speaks to 2 things here.
#1. How God's Law is administered or mediated. No more Levite Priests to filter the Word.
#2. How sins are forgiven. No more Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.
Hebrews 7 confirms this.
You are free to show me in the scriptures where the new covenant is the replacement of the entire old testament if you can. So far I have asked most of your pals to show this, and they can't. Because it is a creation of man, not God.
The Pope and "many" others who come in His Name preach this different covenant. One where you create your own righteousness and laws and write them on your own heart. A Covenant that destroys the righteousness of God and creates another.
A covenant that erases the Wrath of God, and replaces it with a long haired men's hair shampoo model that has no wrath.
The Jews were still pushing the Levitical Priesthood that the Jesus of the Bible changed as it is written. They still performed the Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. These are those who "bewitched" the Galatians.
"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"
Because you have so little respect for the Word which became Flesh and His Gospel that Paul preached, you can't even see what is right in front of you.
I am not SDA, nor do I belong to any organized religion. I am not perfect but I know God knows better than I so I let Him and His Word's guide my path and not religions which preach falsehoods. I belong to the same Church as Abel and Abraham and Noah and Caleb, and Stephen and Zechariahs and Peter and Cornelius and Rehab and John, and all those mentioned in Heb. 11. And the Head of this Church is the Word which became Flesh, the Christ of the Old Testament who became a man to show us the Way.
REv. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The law doesn't CAUSE anyone to give or have mercy or grace. It has no power to do that.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the CAUSE behind mercy and grace.
Hebrews 7:18-19
The Lord Jesus Christ is the CAUSE behind mercy and grace.
Hebrews 7:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
I suppose if you knew the Truth behind these verses you wouldn't spew the silliness that you do.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
I suppose if you knew the Truth behind these verses you wouldn't spew the silliness that you do.
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This is the kind of deviant, deceptive, purposefully misleading preaching that so "many" who come in Christ's name practice. Jesus specifically warned about this kind of preaching.
Hebrews 7 is speaking to the Levitical Priesthood from the very beginning. A Priesthood that was given specifically to Levites and no other.
Why you would try and hide this fact is telling.
Heb. 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
This is not talking about God's Instructions for the people, but His Priesthood given specifically to the Levites.
The Word which became Flesh told us in Jer. 31 that there would come a day when the Priesthood would change. He called it a "New Covenant".
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
"I will put my law in their inward parts", no more Levite Priests and Scribes to filter His Words.
"I will forgive their iniquity", no more Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sins.
Hebrews is explaining this Change in this Priesthood.
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
God's Priesthood given through Moses, "Till the Seed should come" was for the Levites only. It's in your Bible.
For Jesus to become our High Priest, there had to be a change in the Priesthood Law because He was from Judah and not Levi.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment,(Levite Priests appointed other Levites to the priesthood) but after the power of an endless life.(A truly righteous Priest raised from the dead)
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment (Levitical Priesthood)going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. (Carnal men appointing other carnal men to the Priesthood depending on DNA)
19 For the (Levitical Priesthood) law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
For you to omit these truths about this chapter and purposely deceive people is awful.
This is what Jesus warned us about so many times.
And since you omit the truth about the Priesthood in Heb. 7, you also omit the truth about galatians. The Priesthood that Jesus changed came with sacrificial "Works of the Law" to cleanse people and take away their sin, making them righteous or sin free. (A shadow of Christ's sacrifice and His Blood) Jesus said He would change this Priesthood as He has clearly shown you in Jer.. But many Pharisees continued to push these "Sacrificial Laws, for the remission of sins, on the people. They "Bewitched" the Galatians with these "Works of the Law". There are no other "works of the Law" that was instituted by God through Moses to cleanse men of their sins.
This isn't talking about "thou shall not kill" GP. There was never a law that said "If you sin, don't kill anyone and you will be forgiven.
But there was a law given to a specific people, Levites, that included sacrificial, ceremonial "Works of the Law" to remove sin until Jesus would come as Jeremiah 31 shows.
So it was a law; "If you sin, take a goat or a turtle dove to the Levite Priest and he will perform sacrificial "works of the Law" which will atone for your sins.
This is the Priesthood Jesus changed when He rose from the dead as He declared by His Prophet Jeremiah. So Paul is teaching about the Jews who continued to rely on animal blood of these Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for righteousness, that Christ died in vain.
If you can prove these truths wrong with Scriptures show it to me.
This is the kind of deviant, deceptive, purposefully misleading preaching that so "many" who come in Christ's name practice. Jesus specifically warned about this kind of preaching.
Hebrews 7 is speaking to the Levitical Priesthood from the very beginning. A Priesthood that was given specifically to Levites and no other.
Why you would try and hide this fact is telling.
Heb. 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
This is not talking about God's Instructions for the people, but His Priesthood given specifically to the Levites.
The Word which became Flesh told us in Jer. 31 that there would come a day when the Priesthood would change. He called it a "New Covenant".
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
"I will put my law in their inward parts", no more Levite Priests and Scribes to filter His Words.
"I will forgive their iniquity", no more Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sins.
Hebrews is explaining this Change in this Priesthood.
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
God's Priesthood given through Moses, "Till the Seed should come" was for the Levites only. It's in your Bible.
For Jesus to become our High Priest, there had to be a change in the Priesthood Law because He was from Judah and not Levi.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment,(Levite Priests appointed other Levites to the priesthood) but after the power of an endless life.(A truly righteous Priest raised from the dead)
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment (Levitical Priesthood)going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. (Carnal men appointing other carnal men to the Priesthood depending on DNA)
19 For the (Levitical Priesthood) law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
For you to omit these truths about this chapter and purposely deceive people is awful.
This is what Jesus warned us about so many times.
And since you omit the truth about the Priesthood in Heb. 7, you also omit the truth about galatians. The Priesthood that Jesus changed came with sacrificial "Works of the Law" to cleanse people and take away their sin, making them righteous or sin free. (A shadow of Christ's sacrifice and His Blood) Jesus said He would change this Priesthood as He has clearly shown you in Jer.. But many Pharisees continued to push these "Sacrificial Laws, for the remission of sins, on the people. They "Bewitched" the Galatians with these "Works of the Law". There are no other "works of the Law" that was instituted by God through Moses to cleanse men of their sins.
This isn't talking about "thou shall not kill" GP. There was never a law that said "If you sin, don't kill anyone and you will be forgiven.
But there was a law given to a specific people, Levites, that included sacrificial, ceremonial "Works of the Law" to remove sin until Jesus would come as Jeremiah 31 shows.
So it was a law; "If you sin, take a goat or a turtle dove to the Levite Priest and he will perform sacrificial "works of the Law" which will atone for your sins.
This is the Priesthood Jesus changed when He rose from the dead as He declared by His Prophet Jeremiah. So Paul is teaching about the Jews who continued to rely on animal blood of these Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for righteousness, that Christ died in vain.
If you can prove these truths wrong with Scriptures show it to me.
I took you off ignore long enough to say this- how can anyone " prove these truths wrong " when you pluck verses out of context, write in your own commentary, and call it truth??
if you are going to just make the Word say whatever you want, buy these methods, you will always be " right " and everyone else will be wrong.
you know what the talmid says about Jesus, because it clearly states it. why can you not carry that same thought process into the Book about Him?
if you are going to just make the Word say whatever you want, buy these methods, you will always be " right " and everyone else will be wrong.
you know what the talmid says about Jesus, because it clearly states it. why can you not carry that same thought process into the Book about Him?
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