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Greek Concordance: ἔργων (ergōn) -- 43 Occurrences
Romans 3:28 N-GNP
GRK: ἄνθρωπον χωρὶς ἔργων νόμου
NAS: by faith apart from works of the Law.
KJV: by faith without the deeds of the law.
INT: a man apart from works of law
Romans 3:28 N-GNP
GRK: ἄνθρωπον χωρὶς ἔργων νόμου
NAS: by faith apart from works of the Law.
KJV: by faith without the deeds of the law.
INT: a man apart from works of law
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Thank you VCO, and I have repeated the same thing, to "Paraphrase is an acceptable form of communicating God's word; Pastor's and Teacher's "paraphrase" God's word, even the bibles we use are a paraphrase of the original language/text. I have paraphrased God's word at times when I needed to, and I would venture to say most of us have paraphrased a bible verse.
"Ignore trolls and they will get bored and go away."
Good Bye Nonsense
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YOU DO KNOW THAT ENGLISH WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE THAT THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN IN, DON'T YOU ? ? ?
New Testament was Written in GREEK.
Old Testament was Written in HEBREW, and parts of it was in ARAMAIC.
Here are the Original Languages. Please note: THAT IF YOUR STATEMENT were TRUE, we would have to learn the Original Languages just to read the BIBLE:
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The New Testament, however, was written in Greek. This seems strange, since you might think it would be either Hebrew or Aramaic. During the thousand years of its composition, almost the entire Old Testament was written in Hebrew. But a few chapters in the prophecies of Ezra and Daniel and one verse in Jeremiah were written in a language called Aramaic.
https://www.biblica.com/resources/bible-faqs/in-what-language-was-the-bible-first-written/
Men who have not been baptized by the Holy Spirit don't have the "guidance" Jesus promised (John 16:13) and can only see Scripture from a "carnal" (I Corinthians 2:14) point of view as they make an "interpretation" (I Corinthians 3:6).
However, it is "revelation" given by the Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 2:10) who "guides us into all truth" (John 16:13) from the "Spiritual gifts" of "wisdom and knowledge" (I Corinthians 12:8) but ONLY after baptism by the Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13)!
Since he believes "under the law," one must work with him from that point of view (I Corinthians 9:22).
I'll give the example of Abraham who HEARD A WORD FROM GOD (Holy Spirit produced) to take his son Issac and offer as a sacrifice. Abraham didn't "DO" anything until he HEARD A WORD FROM GOD therefore Abraham's ACTIONS were "produced by the Holy Spirit."
"Abraham [only] BELIEVED GOD and it was counted to him for righteousness" and not his "ACTIONS!"
Blessings
However, it is "revelation" given by the Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 2:10) who "guides us into all truth" (John 16:13) from the "Spiritual gifts" of "wisdom and knowledge" (I Corinthians 12:8) but ONLY after baptism by the Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13)!
Since he believes "under the law," one must work with him from that point of view (I Corinthians 9:22).
I'll give the example of Abraham who HEARD A WORD FROM GOD (Holy Spirit produced) to take his son Issac and offer as a sacrifice. Abraham didn't "DO" anything until he HEARD A WORD FROM GOD therefore Abraham's ACTIONS were "produced by the Holy Spirit."
"Abraham [only] BELIEVED GOD and it was counted to him for righteousness" and not his "ACTIONS!"
Blessings
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i get what you're saying, loyaldisciple, and i'm just kinda jumping in without a dog in the race - ain't read the last 200 pages.
but there seem to be examples of paraphrasing and merging citations from different sections of scripture together in the new testament - without changing the meaning of what's written, of course. what do you consider that?
there's also that to be quite technically correct, anytime we're not quoting in Greek or Hebrew, we're necessarily introducing a 'change' to the text.
the Bible isn't written in English. obviously, clearly true, but surprising how often we need to be reminded
but there seem to be examples of paraphrasing and merging citations from different sections of scripture together in the new testament - without changing the meaning of what's written, of course. what do you consider that?
there's also that to be quite technically correct, anytime we're not quoting in Greek or Hebrew, we're necessarily introducing a 'change' to the text.
the Bible isn't written in English. obviously, clearly true, but surprising how often we need to be reminded
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i get what you're saying, loyaldisciple, and i'm just kinda jumping in without a dog in the race - ain't read the last 200 pages.
but there seem to be examples of paraphrasing and merging citations from different sections of scripture together in the new testament - without changing the meaning of what's written, of course. what do you consider that?
there's also that to be quite technically correct, anytime we're not quoting in Greek or Hebrew, we're necessarily introducing a 'change' to the text.
the Bible isn't written in English. obviously, clearly true, but surprising how often we need to be reminded
but there seem to be examples of paraphrasing and merging citations from different sections of scripture together in the new testament - without changing the meaning of what's written, of course. what do you consider that?
there's also that to be quite technically correct, anytime we're not quoting in Greek or Hebrew, we're necessarily introducing a 'change' to the text.
the Bible isn't written in English. obviously, clearly true, but surprising how often we need to be reminded
What occurred here is that dc posted "words", claiming it to be scripture, and it is not scripture in any version of any Bible at all. It was a sentence of "his words" that he falsely has claimed to be a verse. He has just been caught red handed altering a verse and has refused to admit it. How many other times has he done the same thing ? It is not something God takes lightly. He has also slandered a man falsely referring to him as a deceiver, a lawyer and a pharisee.
REV 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
REV 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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Wonder if someone will take up this challenge?
I found these but no exact wording...
1 Samuel 7:3
And Samuel said to all the house of Israel, “If you are returning to the Lord with all your heart, then put away the foreign gods and the Ashtaroth from among you and direct your heart to the Lord and serve him only, and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.”
Joel 2:12-13
“Yet even now,” declares the Lord, “return to me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning; and rend your hearts and not your garments.” Return to the Lord your God, for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love; and he relents over disaster.
I found these but no exact wording...
1 Samuel 7:3
And Samuel said to all the house of Israel, “If you are returning to the Lord with all your heart, then put away the foreign gods and the Ashtaroth from among you and direct your heart to the Lord and serve him only, and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.”
Joel 2:12-13
“Yet even now,” declares the Lord, “return to me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning; and rend your hearts and not your garments.” Return to the Lord your God, for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love; and he relents over disaster.
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Exodus 20:3-6 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."
II Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."
Plus more!
Yet in all Old Testament Scriptures (Jeremiah 6:16) I can't find "Confess with your mouth" (Romans 10:9)! I wonder why?
Blessings
II Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."
Plus more!
Yet in all Old Testament Scriptures (Jeremiah 6:16) I can't find "Confess with your mouth" (Romans 10:9)! I wonder why?
Blessings
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Here is another literal statement....see who rejects this one and then goes off on an all day tangent without a leg to stand on...
IN the grace you are, having been saved OUT of FAITH and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God and not of works lest any man should boast.
Gotta love the languages......sets us free from dogmatic religionists........and those who reject the truth......
IN the grace you are, having been saved OUT of FAITH and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God and not of works lest any man should boast.
Gotta love the languages......sets us free from dogmatic religionists........and those who reject the truth......
Except for the fact that I did quote the verse verbatim from the King Jimmy and gave a literal, accepted translation of ERGON....
Deeds or works of the law are BOTH correct and saying the same thing....
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
Short Definition: work, labor, action, deed
Definition: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
Deeds or works of the law are BOTH correct and saying the same thing....
ergon: work
Original Word: ἔργον, ου, τόPart of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
Short Definition: work, labor, action, deed
Definition: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
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We all know exactly what you did. You placed "your" words on a page and called it a verse. Caught red handed misquoting the Bible, then you proceed to make all sorts of excuses instead of just admitting your mistake. It doesn't matter if it means the same thing. What you posted is not the scripture of any verse in any Bible, yet you claimed it was a verse. Why don't you just admit you're not supposed to be doing that ?
Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law.
Right there is what you said was a verse, yet it isn't found in any version of the Bible. I've asked you to show us all what Bible it came from 10 times and you just keep making excuses and won't answer.
Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the works/deeds of the law.
Right there is what you said was a verse, yet it isn't found in any version of the Bible. I've asked you to show us all what Bible it came from 10 times and you just keep making excuses and won't answer.
Do you know what a paraphrase is?? THE KJV IS A PARAPHASE, translated from OLDER ENGLISH VERSION and the LATIN VERSION, NOT from the ORIGINAL LANGUAGES.
DC used the two most common expression for that GREEK WORD and BOTH ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
QUOTE:
ergon
Vine's Words: Deed, Deeds, Work, Wrought
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.
THE GREEK WORK CAN BE TRANSLATE TO ALL OF THOSE MEANINGS.
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