Why does "love grow cold" as the years pass?

[Shamah]

Was Messiah telling the truth here?

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

He says the Law will not pass unless heaven and earth pass, yet everyone tells me the Law is done in some way...

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

The Scriptures say it is love;

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

What does this mean, how did this happen, what are the consequences?

Is His Law really written on the heart of the "New Testament" believer? and thus drien unto love? or does the "New Testament" believer have to reject His Law to se saved?

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

 

[posthuman]

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

this passage reminds me of Lot, living in Sodom. i wonder if his love grew cold?
is this why he hesitated to obey the messengers sent from God, and had to be taken by the hand and removed from the place?

 

[Shamah]

this passage reminds me of Lot, living in Sodom. i wonder if his love grew cold?
is this why he hesitated to obey the messengers sent from God, and had to be taken by the hand and removed from the place?

Lot was called a righteous man:

2 Peter 2:6-9,6 and having reduced to ashes the cities of Seḏom and Amorah condemned them to destruction – having made them an example to those who afterward would live wickedly,"7 and rescuedrighteous Lot, who was oppressed with the indecent behaviour of the lawless 8 (for day after day that righteous man, dwelling among them, tortured his righteous being by seeing and hearing their lawless works),"9 then יהוה knows how to rescue the reverent ones from trial and to keep the unrighteous unto the day of judgment, to be punished,"

So I do not think we can call Lot not loving, certianly he was not perfect, but I think the truly not loving ones were the wicked inhabitants of sodom and gommorah. Unless I misunderstand you I do not see how "love growing cold" can bring Lot to mind?

 

[posthuman]

Lot was called a righteous man:

2 Peter 2:6-9,6 and having reduced to ashes the cities of Seḏom and Amorah condemned them to destruction – having made them an example to those who afterward would live wickedly,"7 and rescuedrighteous Lot, who was oppressed with the indecent behaviour of the lawless 8 (for day after day that righteous man, dwelling among them, tortured his righteous being by seeing and hearing their lawless works),"9 then יהוה knows how to rescue the reverent ones from trial and to keep the unrighteous unto the day of judgment, to be punished,"

So I do not think we can call Lot not loving, certianly he was not perfect, but I think the truly not loving ones were the wicked inhabitants of sodom and gommorah. Unless I misunderstand you I do not see how "love growing cold" can bring Lot to mind?

it's not 'love growing cold' that reminds me of Lot & his family in Sodom, but 'iniquity abounding'

does 'love growing cold' necessarily mean a person is counted 'not righteous' ?

 

[posthuman]

(for day after day that righteous man, dwelling among them, tortured his righteous being by seeing and hearing their lawless works)

this is a clue, i think, of the meaning of love growing cold, or, one of the pieces of how it could happen

 

[JesusLives]

Love doesn't have to grow cold. I think we get out of it what we put in. If you love someone you spend time with them and want to please them. So if we don't spend time with the Lord and try and do what we know would please him then yes our love could grow cold but if we do as Enoch did and walk with God then our love will grow and we will walk with God right into heaven.

 

[posthuman]

Love doesn't have to grow cold.

amen

it says "the love of many" -- not all ♥

 

[Shamah]

this is a clue, i think, of the meaning of love growing cold, or, one of the pieces of how it could happen

Are you implying that the righteousness in Lot made "his love grow cold?" That seems to be t he oppisite of what Yahsua said..

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

IN verse 8 the word "Lawless" is very similar to iniquity:

2 Peter 2:8 (for day after day that righteous man, dwelling among them, tortured his righteous being by seeing and hearing their lawless works),"

Mat 5:6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, because they shall be filled."

John 3:18-21,18 “He who believes in Him is not judged, but he who does not believe is judged already, because he has not believed in the Name of the only brought-forth Son of YHWH."19 “And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked."20 “For everyone who is practising evil matters hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed."21 “But the one doing the truth comes to the light, so that his works are clearly seen, that they have been wrought in YHWH.”"

Revelation 2:1-7,1 “To the messenger of the assembly of Ephesos write, ‘He who is holding the seven stars in His right hand, who is walking in the midst of the seven golden lampstands, says this:"2 “I know your works, and your labour, and your endurance, and that you are not able to bear evil ones, and have tried those who say they are emissaries and are not, and have found them false;"3 and you have been bearing up and have endurance, and have laboured for My Name’s sake and have not become weary."4 “But I hold this against you, that you have left your first love."5 “So remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the first works, or else I shall come to you speedily and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent."6 “Yet this you have, that you hate the works of the Nikolaites, which I also hate."7 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomesa I shall give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradiseb of Elohim.”Rev 22:2 and Rev 22:14."

Mat 7:15-20, “But beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are savage wolves. By their fruits you shall know them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles? So every good tree yields good fruit, but a rotten tree yields wicked fruit. A good tree is unable to yield wicked fruit, and a rotten tree to yield good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, by their fruits you shall know them.”

Also Yahshua will destroy the wicked so if you are implying their destruction was "not loving" I think you are mistaken. Not saying you are, Im not actually sure what you are implying t o be honest.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”[/FONT]

 

[Shamah]

Love doesn't have to grow cold. I think we get out of it what we put in. If you love someone you spend time with them and want to please them. So if we don't spend time with the Lord and try and do what we know would please him then yes our love could grow cold but if we do as Enoch did and walk with God then our love will grow and we will walk with God right into heaven.

I like this thought. If I may; Focus on Him and He will work though us unto love His way.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proverbs 3:5-7, “Trust in [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; Know Him in all your ways, And He makes all your paths straight Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and turn away from evil.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 37:5, “Commit your way to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], And trust in Him, and He does it.”[/FONT][/FONT]
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[posthuman]

Are you implying that the righteousness in Lot made "his love grow cold?" That seems to be t he oppisite of what Yahsua said..

of course not.

what happens to many people when they are "tortured day after day" by 'abounding iniquity' ?

what generally happens to anyone when they are constantly and repeatedly exposed to any kind of stimulus?
the hum from all the electronic devices around you, for example - how many of them have you grown numb to, not really hearing anymore unless you concentrate now to listen for them?

Lot is someone in scripture who specifically was constantly exposed for a great length of time to iniquity abounding. that's why this passage reminds me to remember him; can i fully understand this unless i fully understand what's said about Lot?

 

[BillG]

Was Messiah telling the truth here?

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

He says the Law will not pass unless heaven and earth pass, yet everyone tells me the Law is done in some way...

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

The Scriptures say it is love;

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

What does this mean, how did this happen, what are the consequences?

Is His Law really written on the heart of the "New Testament" believer? and thus drien unto love? or does the "New Testament" believer have to reject His Law to se saved?

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Good thread Shamah.

To me it is obvious that love can grow cold.

We see this in the letter to Ephesus

Revelation 2:4
4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love.

Yet what is interesting he also commends the church for its works/deeds but also talks about hate

Revelation 2:6
6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

What's your thoughts on this.

Commended for works, commended for hating false works/doctrines yet reprimanded for lack of love.

So has he not commended them for guarding his commands and word.

Is it possible that the people in the church were so busy putting out fires and focusing on works that they lost the concept of love.

The love for each other?

If you don't mind can I just add another thought.

What about people who have a faulty concept of love?
Let's be honest in today's society the term love or to love is so skewed.

We only have to look at advertising.

My kids get e-mails from Apple "Show your mum you love them on mother's Day by buying them a new i-pad.
Where on earth are my kids going to get the money to do that?

Buy this perfume and you will be loved (and it's always sexual)

We as believers in order to what love is.

Jesus himself said

"May they know that you love them as much as you love me"

How many belivers today know that?

My experience is not many.

If we do not one love in the first place then it cannot grow cold.

Good thread my friend.

Bill

 

[Shamah]

Good thread Shamah.

To me it is obvious that love can grow cold.

We see this in the letter to Ephesus

Revelation 2:4
4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love.

Yet what is interesting he also commends the church for its works/deeds but also talks about hate

Revelation 2:6
6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

What's your thoughts on this.

Commended for works, commended for hating false works/doctrines yet reprimanded for lack of love.

So has he not commended them for guarding his commands and word.

Is it possible that the people in the church were so busy putting out fires and focusing on works that they lost the concept of love.

The love for each other?

If you don't mind can I just add another thought.

What about people who have a faulty concept of love?
Let's be honest in today's society the term love or to love is so skewed.

We only have to look at advertising.

My kids get e-mails from Apple "Show your mum you love them on mother's Day by buying them a new i-pad.
Where on earth are my kids going to get the money to do that?

Buy this perfume and you will be loved (and it's always sexual)

We as believers in order to what love is.

Jesus himself said

"May they know that you love them as much as you love me"

How many belivers today know that?

My experience is not many.

If we do not one love in the first place then it cannot grow cold.

Good thread my friend.

Bill

Wow, so you bring up some really good points here IMO.

First and foremost, worldly love IS NOT the love of YHWH. I do not think this can even be stated enough. IWe need to only look to Him for His explanation of what love is.

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

and of course not in some pharisee way but in the way Yahshua walked and taught, that is the true love of YHWH.

1 John 4:19-21, "We love Him, because He first loved us. If anyone says: I love YHWH, and hates his neighbor, he is a liar; for he who does not love his neighbor whom he has seen, how can he love YHWH Whom he has not seen? For we have this commandment from Him: That he who loves YHWH must love his neighbor also."

Now I am sure we can go ask 1,000,000,000 people "what is love" and get a different answer every time, but I say if we ask YHWH "what is love" a 1,000,000,000 times, we will get the same answer every time....

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

As for the assemby in Ephesos... That is a tough one, first I will post it fully, coded blue what I think is good purple what I think is bad;

Revelation 2:1-7,1 “To the messenger of the assembly of Ephesos write, ‘He who is holding the seven stars in His right hand, who is walking in the midst of the seven golden lampstands, says this:"2 “I know your works, and your labour, and your endurance, and that you are not able to bear evil ones, and have tried those who say they are emissaries and are not, and have found them false;"3 and you have been bearing up and have endurance, and have laboured for My Name’s sake and have not become weary."4 “But I hold this against you, that you have left your first love."5 “So remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the first works, or else I shall come to you speedily and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent."6 “Yet this you have, that you hate the works of the Nikolaites, which I also hate."7 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I shall give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of YHWH.”

To me everything that seems to be against false doctrine is praised by Yahshua

"not able to bear evil ones,"

stand against evil

"and have tried those who say they are emissaries and are not, and have found them false;"

they test those that say they are sent of Yahshua and can see the impostors

3 and you have been bearing up and have endurance and have laboured for My Name’s sake and have not become weary."

they do His will and do not weaken in doing it

"Yet this you have, that you hate the works of the Nikolaites, which I also hate"

they hate men who rule over other men

Yet there is a "but"; 4 “But I hold this against you, that you have left your first love."5 “So remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the first works, or else I shall come to you speedily and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent"

I don;t think I can say exactly what their "first love" is, I have heard many views, I do think it posibe what you offer, that they fought against false doctrine but were a little harsh type thing, however while possible I do not think that is it because it would be chastisement for exactly the same thing He is praising them for, aslo He say He also hates the nicolatians (those who conquer the layity). I will conced that view is as possible as any, but with that thought I have to submit that Yahshua says to "rebuke your brother frankly" and "if he repents forgive him" so Im not sure that what we consider "harsh" today is what He considers harsh. I am making no room for rudeness, check my posts I do not think I am rood and I think that is a reflection of my view and walk, what I am taking about is a misconception brought by the modern "participation trophy" and "political correctness" Yahshua was anything but "politically correct" he called the religious leaders "seed of serpents" and truth should never be comprmised for comfort, however that does not mean there is not a right way and wa wrong way to correct or rebuke a brother or sister in error. However without knowing exactly what the "first love" was I can not say for sure my stance on this, but I think it worth the review in the matter of gentle but true delivery in any case.

 

[tourist]

Love doesn't have to grow cold. I think we get out of it what we put in. If you love someone you spend time with them and want to please them. So if we don't spend time with the Lord and try and do what we know would please him then yes our love could grow cold but if we do as Enoch did and walk with God then our love will grow and we will walk with God right into heaven.

I want to spend time with my honey because I love her so.

 

[BillG]

I want to spend time with my honey because I love her so.

I spent some time today with my honey as well.

We don't get to do it that often with the kids and all that.

We went into town.

Picked up our spectacles, got some stuff for our kids.

Walked round town holding hands.
Had ice cream.

May seem mundane but truth is at times love may seem mundane but actually it's not.
Love is never mundane.

Maybe it is when it's taken for granted.

We are at the stage where our kids are no longer reliant on us so now having to get to know each other again.

That comment may seem a bit weird.

It's not that we don't want to or have but wanted to spend time with each other.

Anyway I loved the few hours today with the love of my life, my soulmate.

In case you are interested I had vanilla and mint chock chip.
My wife just had vanilla.

 

[MattforJesus]

Since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold.

That is because that is the direction the world is going,so as time goes on they get worse in selfishness,arrogance,and self exaltation.

Ever since Adam and Eve sinned the world has been headed towards the beast kingdom where the transgressors will come to the full,and accept a kingdom that is all nations together as one that believes in no personal God,and they can evolve through the power of nature to be greater.

Which they interpret the Bible according to the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,spiritual evolution through nature,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and an ascended master,and avatar,and do not acknowledge a personal God,but honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as their higher power.

Like a Christian grows in Christ,and a doctor becomes more knowledgeable,and a weight lifter becomes stronger,and whatever we pursue we become better at it,and understand it more,for that is the direction we are going.

So the world gets worse in their ways of self exaltation as time goes by until they believe the Bible according to their own lusts,and many hypocrites claiming Christ,until the world cuts out a God,and exalts themselves as great,which God said they will say,I am and no one else beside me.

But that belief of evolution and technology kicked it way up in their exaltation,and the 2 keys why the world rebels against God.

Technology allows the world to be able to know about each other,communicate with each other,and travel to each other,which the nations will come together to try to establish peace on earth in the future.

Evolution causes them to belief that they can still evolve through nature so they will pursue that and look at all religions in light of that,which the powers to be will want to establish that as religion worldwide,and believe it is the truth,so that there is peace among the people concerning religious beliefs.

Technology also allows for businesses and people that pursue money to be able to branch out more,and make more money,and then money is flowing big time like in America,and it brings out the selfishness,and arrogance,and self exaltation of people,as they heap and heap money,and material things to themselves,that is abundant in America,and then they view America and say people basically only care about themselves with little regard for anybody else,so you do not care about me,I do not care about you,and they get worse in behavior towards each other as time goes on with the attitude get all you can get and forget everyone else,and do not like each other as much and gets worse as time goes on.

Businesses that can never have enough money,ripping,and gypping the very people that made them rich with higher prices,lower quality,and less quantity,as they sit down and discuss how they can get as much money as possible and reduce costs and charge more money for their product,or service.

This is one big rip off here at Walmart,the "comfort fit" insoles,but what they do is use popular foot patterns,and then they are made like any other insole,an assembly line,so their cost in no different than any other insole,which I believe it would be cheaper for it is a pathetic amount of material,then they cry "comfort fit","comfort fit",and charge nearly 50 dollars for them,all the while saying save money,live better,but Walmart can be a little bit cheaper on a lot of their things for they buy in such big bulk,and they have cheap products.

And that is their attitude all the time to try to get as much money as possible,and it does not matter if they buy a product for one penny they would still try to get one thousand dollars for it if they could.

America became a game of trying to as successful as you can in obtaining money,material things,and high positions in society of people looking up to them,and about all of them are doing it from the homeless man all the way to the president,and from sea to shining sea.

People will not like each other as much in that atmosphere which is big in America.

Since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold,which iniquity is selfishness,and arrogance,which is a lack of love,and they are more selfish,and arrogant,and self exalting,today than years ago.

But the people will come together and try to get along if a threat is imposed upon them like 9/11,which they were in to patriotism,and the flags went up on the cars,but like human behavior as soon as the threat is over the flags come down,and the middle finger goes back up,and it is back to business as normal,not liking each other as much.

 

[Shamah]

Snip

Very well thought out, thank you for the reply. you touch on a number of good examples, motivations and enablers that lead people to walk in a way that is not His way, all the while being disguised as "normal" or something like that.

I think the false religion is a huge one, any teaching that removes not just the Messiah but what He taught is a path to destruction. You know, as you gave example a place can "preach Jesus" but if it is not the Messiah of the Scriptures in person, deed and His teaching it is a false messiah with a coat of "Jesus paint" to decieve.

It brings this to mind as a guard to stay in His path:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.” [/FONT]

 

[beta]

Since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold.

That is because that is the direction the world is going,so as time goes on they get worse in selfishness,arrogance,and self exaltation.

Ever since Adam and Eve sinned the world has been headed towards the beast kingdom where the transgressors will come to the full,and accept a kingdom that is all nations together as one that believes in no personal God,and they can evolve through the power of nature to be greater.

Which they interpret the Bible according to the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,spiritual evolution through nature,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and an ascended master,and avatar,and do not acknowledge a personal God,but honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as their higher power.

Like a Christian grows in Christ,and a doctor becomes more knowledgeable,and a weight lifter becomes stronger,and whatever we pursue we become better at it,and understand it more,for that is the direction we are going.

So the world gets worse in their ways of self exaltation as time goes by until they believe the Bible according to their own lusts,and many hypocrites claiming Christ,until the world cuts out a God,and exalts themselves as great,which God said they will say,I am and no one else beside me.

But that belief of evolution and technology kicked it way up in their exaltation,and the 2 keys why the world rebels against God.

Technology allows the world to be able to know about each other,communicate with each other,and travel to each other,which the nations will come together to try to establish peace on earth in the future.

Evolution causes them to belief that they can still evolve through nature so they will pursue that and look at all religions in light of that,which the powers to be will want to establish that as religion worldwide,and believe it is the truth,so that there is peace among the people concerning religious beliefs.

Technology also allows for businesses and people that pursue money to be able to branch out more,and make more money,and then money is flowing big time like in America,and it brings out the selfishness,and arrogance,and self exaltation of people,as they heap and heap money,and material things to themselves,that is abundant in America,and then they view America and say people basically only care about themselves with little regard for anybody else,so you do not care about me,I do not care about you,and they get worse in behavior towards each other as time goes on with the attitude get all you can get and forget everyone else,and do not like each other as much and gets worse as time goes on.

Businesses that can never have enough money,ripping,and gypping the very people that made them rich with higher prices,lower quality,and less quantity,as they sit down and discuss how they can get as much money as possible and reduce costs and charge more money for their product,or service.

This is one big rip off here at Walmart,the "comfort fit" insoles,but what they do is use popular foot patterns,and then they are made like any other insole,an assembly line,so their cost in no different than any other insole,which I believe it would be cheaper for it is a pathetic amount of material,then they cry "comfort fit","comfort fit",and charge nearly 50 dollars for them,all the while saying save money,live better,but Walmart can be a little bit cheaper on a lot of their things for they buy in such big bulk,and they have cheap products.

And that is their attitude all the time to try to get as much money as possible,and it does not matter if they buy a product for one penny they would still try to get one thousand dollars for it if they could.

America became a game of trying to as successful as you can in obtaining money,material things,and high positions in society of people looking up to them,and about all of them are doing it from the homeless man all the way to the president,and from sea to shining sea.

People will not like each other as much in that atmosphere which is big in America.

Since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold,which iniquity is selfishness,and arrogance,which is a lack of love,and they are more selfish,and arrogant,and self exalting,today than years ago.

But the people will come together and try to get along if a threat is imposed upon them like 9/11,which they were in to patriotism,and the flags went up on the cars,but like human behavior as soon as the threat is over the flags come down,and the middle finger goes back up,and it is back to business as normal,not liking each other as much.

All this is true and was destined to come when people.christians forsake the REAL God and Lord of ISRAEL...the Lord of the Sabbath !
The god of this world they are following now is one of confusion and destruction...with OBVIOUS results...but because it is done with such subtlety they never notice !!!
Yashua the REAL Jesus WARNED us of many FALSE christs/ways DECEIVING the MANY....but not believing this warning has made them the very VICTIMS of deception !!!
Christianity is on the wrong track following SUNDAY traditions from Rome rather than the Lord of the Sabbath the one and only Son of God who is the same yesterday, today and forever !!!
Wake up people and 'turn to the Lord who bought you with His Blood so you can live ! No false christ can do this for you !

 

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All this is true and was destined to come when people.christians forsake the REAL God and Lord of ISRAEL...the Lord of the Sabbath !
The god of this world they are following now is one of confusion and destruction...with OBVIOUS results...but because it is done with such subtlety they never notice !!!
Yashua the REAL Jesus WARNED us of many FALSE christs/ways DECEIVING the MANY....but not believing this warning has made them the very VICTIMS of deception !!!
Christianity is on the wrong track following SUNDAY traditions from Rome rather than the Lord of the Sabbath the one and only Son of God who is the same yesterday, today and forever !!!
Wake up people and 'turn to the Lord who bought you with His Blood so you can live ! No false christ can do this for you !

For you were as sheep going astray; but are now returned to the (true) Shepherd and Bishop of your souls 1Pet 2v25....if you heed the Word of God !

 

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Was Messiah telling the truth here?

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

He says the Law will not pass unless heaven and earth pass, yet everyone tells me the Law is done in some way...

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

The Scriptures say it is love;

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

What does this mean, how did this happen, what are the consequences?

Is His Law really written on the heart of the "New Testament" believer? and thus drien unto love? or does the "New Testament" believer have to reject His Law to se saved?

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Is it possible and shown in these verses in the first post that if we as people knew Yah's word and let Him work through us we would begin to grown in love the way He wants?

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”


Being in Him we can do His will;

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

and if we ignore His word and His will we will grow cold in love and seek our own will.

I would argue that people not knowing and choosing His will leads to a domino effect where the world becomes more and more corrupt until, just like the food, Yah will again destroy all upon the earth, but this time with fire.

Isaiah 24:1-6, "See, יהוה is making the earth empty and making it waste, and shall overturn its surface, and shall scatter abroad its inhabitants. 2 And it shall be – as with the people so with the priest, as with the servant so with his master, as with the female servant so with her mistress, as with the buyer so with the seller, as with the lender so with the borrower, as with the creditor so with the debtor; 3 the earth is completely emptied and utterly plundered, for יהוה has spoken this word. 4 The earth shall mourn and wither, the world shall languish and wither, the haughty people of the earth shall languish. 5 For the earth has been defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the Torah, changed the law, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore a curse shall consume the earth, and those who dwell in it be punished. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth shall be burned, and few men shall be left.”

Matt 24:21-2, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."