Not By Works

dcontroversal · Apr 21, 2018

You have not answered a single question of mine yet you sit as grand inquisitior...

Yes I have broken YHWH Law. As I answer you every time.

This does not mean I then throw it in the trash.

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

Psalm 119:11, “I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”

Thanks be to YHWH, while I am yet still not perfect, I do not live a life controlled, havey laden and continually in sin;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin* (#G266), transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*#G266 hamartian ἁμαρτίαν sin[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:18, "We know that everyone having been born of YHWH does not sin* (#G264), but the one having been born of YHWH guards himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*#G264 hamartanei ἁμαρτάνει, continue to sin

for He has changed my heart, to this I can not reject.

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And yes I have answered numerous time...but you cannot see due to the "forest of law"

Shamah · Apr 21, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Iwill seek to do what He says is loving Him and others.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Maybe you can answer a single question?

If the Law/Torah/Instructions is written on the heart by the Spirit of YHWH as Jeremiah and Hebrews says does that mean that person will love and seek to obey it or find ways/excuses to not be subject to it?
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dcontroversal · Apr 21, 2018

Shamah said:

Iwill seek to do what He says is loving Him and others.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Maybe you can answer a single question?

If the Law/Torah/Instructions is written on the heart by the Spirit of YHWH as Jeremiah and Hebrews says does that mean that person will love and seek to obey it or find ways/excuses to not be subject to it?
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And who argues with this? No one....what does it mean when it states the following...

Therefore, we conclude a man is justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law?

Shamah · Apr 21, 2018

Shamah said:

dcontroversal said:

So you will not answer? or did you miss my question?

Shamah said:

Seohce · Apr 21, 2018

Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.

Romans 3:31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Shamah · Apr 21, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:160, “The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John /Yahanan 17:17, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:41-42, “And let Your loving-commitments come to me, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; Your salvation, according to Your word, So that I answer my reprover, For I have trusted in Your word.”[/FONT]

Seohce · Apr 21, 2018

Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

Shamah · Apr 21, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done* righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced* evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”[/FONT]

Seohce · Apr 21, 2018

John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

dcontroversal · Apr 21, 2018

You are missing the bigger picture man....All of those laws you attempt to keep condemns you because you cannot keep them.....The righteousness of Christ is imputed unto ALL by grace through faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW.....and have been Condensed into 2 LOVE God and each other!!

Shamah · Apr 21, 2018

dcontroversal said:

There was nothing about myself saying justification, this doesnt touch on what I asked.

Hmm for someone who got on me "for not answering: I find comical that you will not answer a single question I asked, and will not even answer this one...

So you will not answer? or did you miss my question?

Originally Posted by Shamah

Maybe you can answer a single question?

If the Law/Torah/Instructions is written on the heart by the Spirit of YHWH as Jeremiah and Hebrews says does that mean that person will love and seek to obey it or find ways/excuses to not be subject to it?

Seohce · Apr 21, 2018

1 Timothy 6:3-5 Love of Money If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

Seohce · Apr 21, 2018

2 Timothy 2:14-26 A workman Approved by God Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work. Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

TruthTalk · Apr 21, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Hi Decon, doesn't Shama seem to act like the people left behind as Noah and his family pulled up the gang way and battened down the hatches, to that beautiful Ark, and then the rains began to fall. I have watched you try and try again, to explain God's wonderful grace to him but he loves the law more than the One who died to set us free. Just my thoughts anyway.

Studyman · Apr 21, 2018

TruthTalk said:

FYI,

Noah was given specific instructions on how to prepare for the storm that was coming and Noah followed them.

I'm quite sure he was ridiculed by "Many" when they saw him building a boat on a mountain. Thankfully Noah believed in God over anyone else and both him and his family were saved.

I don't think from reading Shamah's posts that he is ignorant of this important Biblical Fact. You, well not so much.

gb9 · Apr 21, 2018

Studyman said:

John 5 v.39. ( Jesus was talking to the Pharisees ) " you search the Scriptures because you think that in Them is eternal life, it is in Them that testify of Me.

so there you your devil worshiping Pharisees theory out the window. now, you mentioned something about being ignorant about Scripture...........

Studyman · Apr 21, 2018

gb9 said:

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

gb9 · Apr 21, 2018

Studyman said:

in other words, you just got proved completely wrong, and you have nothing to come back with.

VCO · Apr 21, 2018

Hey, Shamah found a buddy. The same kind of posts with almost nothing but Scripture references, VERY LONG. #61508

Studyman · Apr 21, 2018

gb9 said:

And what shall I come back with? You don't believe in the Scriptures. The Pharisees didn't believe in the Scriptures either, as Jesus pointed out. If they had, they would have believed Moses and if they believed Moses they would also know about the Word which became Flesh.

But how can they understand God when their father is the devil?

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