Do We Have To Keep The Law?

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This is another example of what I see as a huge problem with mainstream preaching. The Pharisees were NOT trying to be righteous by following God's Commandments. they had created their own Law, which included animal sacrifice in order to have sins removed (Make one righteous). God's Law spoke of a time when sins would be forgiven "apart" the Levitical Priesthood "?works of the Law" given by God through Moses, "till the Seed should come". If they had listened to God, they would have known Jesus.
Have you any idea how silly this sounds???!!!!????

Have you actually read anything from Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers or Deuteronomy - animal sacrifice is needed for almost everything almost to the point of needing to trim one's toenails...
And here you are claiming that the Pharisees invented all of this - amazing!!!

What version of the Bible do you read - the one containing 1st and 2nd Imaginations?

The fact that you are basing your beliefs on such profound error means that nothing that you say can be taken seriously...
 
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Have you any idea how silly this sounds???!!!!????

Have you actually read anything from Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers or Deuteronomy - animal sacrifice is needed for almost everything almost to the point of needing to trim one's toenails...
And here you are claiming that the Pharisees invented all of this - amazing!!!

What version of the Bible do you read - the one containing 1st and 2nd Imaginations?

The fact that you are basing your beliefs on such profound error means that nothing that you say can be taken seriously...
So it's not just me. ;)
 
SO what is a "judaizer?"

Is this someone who beleives YHWH Law?

or

Is this someone who beleive Talmudic law?
A judaizer is someone who thinks the 10 commandments are Gods Law or YHWH Law.

And continues to try to work at them in their own carnal understanding.

John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”


John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”


John/Yahanan 7:16-17, “Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority.”


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."



Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”


Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Am i one of the "wicked ones" because I believe what the Messiah says it true?
You are led away with the error of the wicked because you do not understand what the Lord Jesus Christ has said.

But you think you do.

You would rather have your understanding of what you think the law says than be given Rest by the Lord Jesus Christ.

You would rather talk about Law and Judaism than Grace and the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.


Its simply a matter of focus.





 
Do we have to keep the Law?

Depends on which law you mean.

You must keep the law of the country you are living in or suffer the consequences.

The Earth has spiritual laws God has placed upon it. Our bodies have laws that causes it to die and return to dust...yet we look forward to the hope of resurrected bodies that will never grow old or Iill or die.

Keeping the Laws does not make you President. Nor can keeping them make you a child of God. Only God's grace and Jesus death on the cross to establish the New covenant makes adoption into God's family possible.

Understanding God's physical laws for this world is called Science.

Understanding the spiritual laws that God has established is called heavenly wisdom.

One such law is that we should forgive because we were forgiven and washed clean of our sins by the blood of the Lamb.
 
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[/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]A judaizer is someone who thinks the 10 commandments are Gods Law or YHWH Law.

SO are there all "judizers?"

Jesus:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
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James:


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”[/FONT]



Paul:


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and (#G5100 & #G2087) any other commandments are summed up (#G346) in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."[/FONT]



And continues to try to work at them in their own carnal understanding.

The carnal man can not subit to His Law:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."[/FONT]



You are led away with the error of the wicked because you do not understand what the Lord Jesus Christ has said.

excapt the verse you uote is about people using Paul's writings to say the Law is gone:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Sha’ul (Paul) wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless,"[/FONT]


Ohh and I understand the Messiah, He is the sent one we must hear and obey

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַע[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey[/FONT][/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 3:22-23, “For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον
, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
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But you think you do.

You would rather have your understanding of what you think the law says than be given Rest by the Lord Jesus Christ.

You would rather talk about Law and Judaism than Grace and the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Its simply a matter of focus.

yet you ignore what Scripture says rest in Messiah is:

Revelation 14:12-13,12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labours, and their works follow with them.”"

ohh and also..judaisim is based on the Talmud not the Scriptures... never once have I supported a single shred of that religion or talmud teaching.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

I missed the verse where one has to reject the Law, oh wait here it is:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."[/FONT]

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“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness[/FONT]


truth over tradition

truth over comfort


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."[/FONT]






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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniel 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"[/FONT]
 
Another spiritual law is that you can't earn your salvation. Being adopted into God's family is a gift paid by Jesus blood, not a wage earned by our actions.

Agape love is not love as the world gives but as God gives sun and rain to both the just and unjust, we should give love and forgiveness to even our enemies.
 
SO are there all "judizers?"

Jesus:

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


James:


James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”



Paul:


Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and (#G5100 & #G2087) any other commandments are summed up (#G346) in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."





The carnal man can not subit to His Law:

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."





excapt the verse you uote is about people using Paul's writings to say the Law is gone:

2 Peter 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Sha’ul (Paul) wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless,"


Ohh and I understand the Messiah, He is the sent one we must hear and obey

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey




John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”


Acts 3:22-23, “For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον
, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."







yet you ignore what Scripture says rest in Messiah is:

Revelation 14:12-13,12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labours, and their works follow with them.”"

ohh and also..judaisim is based on the Talmud not the Scriptures... never once have I supported a single shred of that religion or talmud teaching.

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

I missed the verse where one has to reject the Law, oh wait here it is:

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."


iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin


"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness


truth over tradition

truth over comfort


John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."










I can keep showing you over and over why you are wrong in all your interpretations.

But if you can't understand scripture then how can you understand my explanations of them?

Matthew 11:28 [SUP] [/SUP]
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest is a pretty simple concept.

Hebrews 4:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

I think a person has to try really hard to NOT understand what this is saying. But judaizers and legalists manage it...
 
Then why does scripture says every man has to work out his own salvation. Working it out to the end means you have earned the right to the tree of life.
 
Have you any idea how silly this sounds???!!!!????

Have you actually read anything from Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers or Deuteronomy - animal sacrifice is needed for almost everything almost to the point of needing to trim one's toenails...
And here you are claiming that the Pharisees invented all of this - amazing!!!

What version of the Bible do you read - the one containing 1st and 2nd Imaginations?

The fact that you are basing your beliefs on such profound error means that nothing that you say can be taken seriously...

Maybe you can start by being honest about what I said.

God's Law spoke of a time when sins would be forgiven "apart"(***from***) the Levitical Priesthood "?works of the Law" given by God through Moses, "till the Seed should come". If they had listened to God, they would have known Jesus.

I never said they made up the Levitical Priesthood, I said they reject the scriptures speaking of a time when Jesus would take over their priesthood duties. (Jer. 31) Which is true. I said they made up their own Laws, which included their version of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law", which is also true.


7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not of God as many on this forum falsely claim.)

and again;

4 For they ( Not God as "Many" on this forum preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

So what exactly is this error you speak of? Or do you just hit and run.
 
Another spiritual law is that you can't earn your salvation. Being adopted into God's family is a gift paid by Jesus blood, not a wage earned by our actions.

Agape love is not love as the world gives but as God gives sun and rain to both the just and unjust, we should give love and forgiveness to even our enemies.

I agree with what you sy here, and His love is definitly different than a common humans understanding, I beleive that is why He gave us His word, it is the way to confirm we are in the correct spirit, His Spirit lines up with His word.
 
Another spiritual truth is that God didn't create us to be alone. We are meant to be a part of a family, a body, a church. We are each unique with different gifts and if we learn to work together we can glorify God.

Not everyone can sing or play music, not everyone is a great cook or host or hostess, some are better at finances, other administration, others are called to be teachers, others to be priests or preach sermons.

I often ask if the church is the Body then what we call the different parts?

Would the pastor that preaches on Sunday be the mouth?

Would the people who feed and cloth the homeless be the hands?

Would the people who visit the sick, the elderly, the prisoners, the orphans be the heart? Evangelist the feet?

Who would be the stomach? The liver? The eyes? The skin?

What if I am just a little pinkie nail that often becomes ingrown and pains the rest of the Body, would I still be loved and important?

Sorry kind of rambling
 
Then why does scripture says every man has to work out his own salvation. Working it out to the end means you have earned the right to the tree of life.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”[/FONT]
 
Then why does scripture says every man has to work out his own salvation. Working it out to the end means you have earned the right to the tree of life.

I think you are confused.

If your son asked for a fish, would you give him a serpent?

What is the difference between teaching a child how to walk and telling them you love them and they are your beloved offspring?

Do you demand that the child earn your love?

If so that is not agape love.
 
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I can keep showing you over and over why you are wrong in all your interpretations.

But if you can't understand scripture then how can you understand my explanations of them?

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest is a pretty simple concept.

Hebrews 4:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

I think a person has to try really hard to NOT understand what this is saying. But judaizers and legalists manage it...
yet you ignore what Scripture says rest in Messiah is:

Revelation 14:12-13,12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labours, and their works follow with them.”"

 
yet you ignore what Scripture says rest in Messiah is:

Revelation 14:12-13,12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labours, and their works follow with them.”"


2 types of rest...that of death and that of giving your burddens to God and trusting His promise to lead you to still waters and green pastures.

For God says COME TO ME WHO ARE WEARY AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST.

And again MY BURDEN IS LIGHT.
 
2 types of rest...that of death and that of giving your burddens to God and trusting His promise to lead you to still waters and green pastures.

For God says COME TO ME WHO ARE WEARY AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST.

And again MY BURDEN IS LIGHT.

The rest in Messiah is defined in Revelation 14:13, if you can point to anotherpassage that defines what the rest is He offers I am open to hear it, however with no Scriptual evidence just says "I rest in Jesus" may sound good but it is not Scriptural, particularly when Revelation 14:13 defines what this rest is...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Again if you can show me another passage that defines the rest He offers I am open to hear it, however Rev 14:13 does define it...


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Maybe you can start by being honest about what I said.



I never said they made up the Levitical Priesthood, I said they reject the scriptures speaking of a time when Jesus would take over their priesthood duties. (Jer. 31) Which is true. I said they made up their own Laws, which included their version of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law", which is also true.


7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not of God as many on this forum falsely claim.)

and again;

4 For they ( Not God as "Many" on this forum preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

So what exactly is this error you speak of? Or do you just hit and run.
No, you are very confused!

You are trying to justify your errors by pointing to things that were still in the future.

Those Pharisees were following the Law - to THE LETTER!
They did not invent that Law - they got it from Exodus dia Deuteronomy...

Their problem - and yours for that matter - is that they never understood that righteousness cannot result from the Law (no matter how righteous the Law itself was) the only result of the Law is condemnation...

And so, they piled the burden of the Law upon themselves and others in a fruitless quest for righteousness through the Law - something the Law could never deliver!
That is why Jesus condemned them....

Until Jesus went to the cross, shed His blood, died, and was then subsequently resurrected the promise through Jesus was not yet realised...
Those Pharisees were under the Sinaitic covenant and subject to the demands of the Law....
They could not become subject to the New covenant before it had been instituted now could they....

As for understanding that Jesus was the Messiah, well that was universally MISUNDERSTOOD.
Even though Peter figured out that Jesus was the Messiah he got it woefully wrong because he thought that Jesus was going to be the Political/Military Messiah that would be the catalyst for Israel casting off the yoke of the Roman empire.
John the Baptist, who was Jesus' cousin and had known Him from childhood, also had doubts, for the same reason - Jesus was NOT fermenting revolution to get rid of the Romans!
The Pharisees, with considerably less sympathy, by and large, were also waiting for the Political/Military strongman in the mould of David to free Israel from Roman rule - since Jesus was so obviously NOT that person, they did not regard Him as the Messiah either

So misunderstanding Jesus, was something that everybody did - not just the Pharisees...
 
Then why does scripture says every man has to work out his own salvation. Working it out to the end means you have earned the right to the tree of life.

Work out not work for.

And if you've "earned" salvation then the very idea that it's a gift goes right out the window.
 
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Hear Jesus Christ. He, in a parable given to all, is quite plain about servants of the Master and what they are to dow with the gift given them while He is away..