Do genuine ex-Christians exist? (Discussion Topic)

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Why did my mind just get stuck on a Kansas song from the 70s?
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It's only Dust in the Wind.
 
1ofthem said:
Yeah, I totally understand what you are saying...Faith is something you can feel. When he saved me he gave me peace and joy. I could feel true love like never before...So yeah there is a feeling in this.

And like you said sometimes the heart can be deceitful and want what it wants. So we can't always go by feelings because the enemy is a sly trickster and the flesh is weak. So I always hold my feelings up to the Word of God and I know if it goes against the word of God then it is not of God it is of the enemy.

But anyhow yes, I am so glad that when he saved me he gave me something I can feel and what I got within my heart, I know it's real. He gave me something I can feel.
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Yes of course always good to not "presume" and keep "learning" and strive not to get "prideful" for though it's good to be "confident" especially in our faith in Jesus "over confidence" can lead to stumbling.
 
LPT said:
indeed brother, looking at some of the post after our conversation, I've notice many are saying we can't trust our hearts and feelings, in one way this true but in another it is what have to know God and to Love. Jesus said Love God with all your Heart how can a person truly do that if they walk around not trusting their heart or feelings about it, the answer is not to close these things but to be wise as serpents because the heart is fragile and yes it can be deceived, I think people don't truly understand that statement when the bible says the heart is deceitful, there is another who is the author of such things. so indeed a heart can be bad or good. It can be of deception or truth.
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[h=1]Genesis 6:5 English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][FONT=&quot]5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[/FONT]
 
LPT said:
You say can't go by feelings but you just have that stuff above upsets your emotions/feelings, surely I did as well. So yea you rely on your feelings and emotions more than you even know. Me thinks there is something from a long time ago that still effects your feelings and emotions, those flake outs.
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Methinks you've got little to no discernment.

If I act on feeling alone, I'd be dead.
 
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Methinks you've got little to no discernment.

If I act on feeling alone, I'd be dead.
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No kidding not just you but we'd all be dead if we acted entirely on feelings,just a few reminders of such "feelings" leading to "wrong doing" let us count a few events...
1.The tower of Babel,led to God confounding mankind's language
2.Sodom and Gomorrah,lustful and ungodly people doing whatever came into their hearts
3.Flood of the entire world(yeah I'm not going in order not rather people "read for themselves"anyways) people as told by God were doing wicked things from the heart all except Noah and his family apparently
need I go on?
 
joefizz said:
The "full scripture" is...
"Love thy God with all thy heart,mind,soul,and strength" the heart is just one part of an entire whole,Jesus told this expressing that it is "not enough" to merely humble one's heart,or one's mind,but rather "all" to God.
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Why did quote that and not respond to what I said to you. you want to talk about deception feelings etc game on lets get real.
 
LPT said:
Why did quote that and not respond to what I said to you. you want to talk about deception feelings etc game on lets get real.
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First he was "brother" and now it's accusations against him. I think "game" on is a fitting term here.
 
I've had moments that could last for a few hours were I think I don't believe in God or question him. Then I panic and then he finds a way (always) to sweep me off my feet ♡
 
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Methinks you've got little to no discernment.

If I act on feeling alone, I'd be dead.
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its ok I'm getting use to your sarcasm, or maybe it's the phili thing. I've been there I know lol I worked on that shipyard near the baseball stadium decommissioning a ship, went out one evening to a store to get some smokes, I remember saying to the guy I need some smokes as I was looking I guess I wasn't fast enough he said what F'in cigs do you want I ant got all day. My friend later said you'll get a lot of that in phili. lol

yes you have ears and eyes and a sense of touch and taste etc. these as well helps to have decernment.
 
LPT said:
indeed brother, looking at some of the post after our conversation, I've notice many are saying we can't trust our hearts and feelings, in one way this true but in another it is what have to know God and to Love. Jesus said Love God with all your Heart how can a person truly do that if they walk around not trusting their heart or feelings about it, the answer is not to close these things but to be wise as serpents because the heart is fragile and yes it can be deceived, I think people don't truly understand that statement when the bible says the heart is deceitful, there is another who is the author of such things. so indeed a heart can be bad or good. It can be of deception or truth.
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LPT said:
Why did quote that and not respond to what I said to you. you want to talk about deception feelings etc game on lets get real.
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Well...
1.you weren't talking to me at the time
2.I was clarifying that following the heart is not biblically sound
 
joefizz said:
Imagine how Paul felt hearing this.
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Ok I'll be point blank do not go messing around talking or anything to a 15 years girl or any girl under age. did u hear that, no it an't right that's border line petifile
 
LPT said:
Ok I'll be point blank do not go messing around talking or anything to a 15 years girl or any girl under age. did u hear that, no it an't right that's border line petifile
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Uh huh,once again you don't have a clue what you are talking about and are just resorting to underhanded tricks because you're belief isn't sound and it hurts you.
 
joefizz said:
Uh huh,once again you don't have a clue what you are talking about and are just resorting to underhanded tricks because you're belief isn't sound and it hurts you.
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no dude, you have said you were going to wait for her to be of age and she was going to be your girlfriend, sorry you ant doing none of that or pay the price for it, because your words have been written so you better not.
 
LPT said:
no dude, you have said you were going to wait for her to be of age and she was going to be your girlfriend, sorry you ant doing none of that or pay the price for it, because your words have been written so you better not.
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You are merely trying to make "me" the topic and dredging up something already settled,because you are "hurt" that your belief is in question.
 
joefizz said:
You are merely trying to make "me" the topic and dredging up something already settled,because you are "hurt" that your belief is in question.
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(hurt) you nothing of me, I'm never hurt about my belief and rather people believe what I believe or not, why for there are things I know that this world could not except so no my belief is not threaten in the slightest.

That whole thing between you and that little girl stunk like a huge pile crap, when I started seeing the footsie play and yaddy yaks made me want to puke, I've been wanting to get that off my chest about that, and behold the time came when you think you know of deception possible but I know this your mind was being deceived I don't know how that got started I'm pretty sure it came from deception.
 
LPT, please stop. That issue was settled between them long ago. She has made it abundantly crystal clear to him that she has no interest in him at all, beyond being friends.. He may not like it, but he needs to respect that.


LPT said:
no dude, you have said you were going to wait for her to be of age and she was going to be your girlfriend, sorry you ant doing none of that or pay the price for it, because your words have been written so you better not.
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blue_ladybug said:
LPT, please stop. That issue was settled between them long ago. She has made it abundantly crystal clear to him that she has no interest in him at all, beyond being friends.. He may not like it, but he needs to respect that.
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I got it off my chest and it happened just as it was to be, now that I said it, I will let it alone, but I say to anyone I have real nasty mean streak no mercy no remorse about that.
 
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