Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD. Exodus 23:17
Do We Have To Keep The Law?
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Oh, it isn't from the Bible, well that explains why I couldn't find it. This would explain the 613 laws myth that is floating around though. But most folks use that number in a different capacity.
You seem to be promoting the doctrine that the Pharisees loved God and His instructions so much that they created all these other laws to make it harder for folks to disobey them. I have to be honest here, there isn't much scriptural support for that teaching. In fact, there is zero support as far as I can see.
Can you show me where you came to this conclusion? There should be some place in the Bible that makes this assertion, Yes?
Well I would say your term "No one" isn't accurate. There are others who believe as I do that the Word's of the Bible, all of them, take precedence over the religious traditions of man. I hope by sharing the perspective I received, in part from escaping the religious franchises of man, that maybe others will, in turn, check out the scriptures.
We are in the New Covenant. We don't need the Word filtered through fleshy preachers anymore, though "many" seem to still prefer this way.
And as for following me. I have said over and over NOT to follow me, rather, do the study. Test the spirits. Don't take any man's word but the Man Jesus, the Word which became Flesh that created "ALL THNGS". This would include heeding His warnings as well.
Oh, it isn't from the Bible, well that explains why I couldn't find it. This would explain the 613 laws myth that is floating around though. But most folks use that number in a different capacity.
You seem to be promoting the doctrine that the Pharisees loved God and His instructions so much that they created all these other laws to make it harder for folks to disobey them. I have to be honest here, there isn't much scriptural support for that teaching. In fact, there is zero support as far as I can see.
Can you show me where you came to this conclusion? There should be some place in the Bible that makes this assertion, Yes?
Well I would say your term "No one" isn't accurate. There are others who believe as I do that the Word's of the Bible, all of them, take precedence over the religious traditions of man. I hope by sharing the perspective I received, in part from escaping the religious franchises of man, that maybe others will, in turn, check out the scriptures.
We are in the New Covenant. We don't need the Word filtered through fleshy preachers anymore, though "many" seem to still prefer this way.
And as for following me. I have said over and over NOT to follow me, rather, do the study. Test the spirits. Don't take any man's word but the Man Jesus, the Word which became Flesh that created "ALL THNGS". This would include heeding His warnings as well.
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If that were true then every first century post resurrection believing male who do not go up to Jerusalem 3x a year was sinning. But I know you don't believe that.
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
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Christ was under the law so he had to obey it. His death ended that economy, so your logic doesn't make any sense.
Do you seriously think that if Christ hadn't appeared in Jerusalem 3x every year he wouldn't have sinned?
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James disagrees with you.
He explained to the church that if they did not keep the law to not show favoritism (Leviticus 19:15) that they were not keeping the law to love your neighbor as yourself as they thought.
His audience was like the church today. They fall back on the 'but there's only two laws I have to keep' argument not knowing that if they were really keeping the law 'love your neighbor as yourself' they'd be keeping the laws that are summarized by the one law 'love your neighbor as yourself'.
They think the two laws (love God/ love others) excuses them from all the other laws, or even knowing about the other laws, not knowing that to keep the law 'love your neighbor as yourself' is to keep the other laws. James shows us that. Which should be understood anyway since Paul says 'love your neighbor as yourself' is a SUMMARY of the law, not a law that replaces all the other laws.
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You're not getting it.
Christ doesn't NEED to keep the ceremonial laws because he has no sin that separated him from the Father in the first place for him to need to do that. He wasn't 'under' the law that way and for that reason (and now, neither are we).
He only HAD to do it for our sake--to satisfy the requirements of the law for us that we were under. Get it?
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I'm not getting it because apparently you're clueless. You seem to think that Christ would not have sinned if he hadn't appeared in Jerusalem 3x every year, even though that is what the law required every male to do. Can you explain that rationale to me?
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yet they still obeyed the law and did. It break it. Again your excuses wreak.
all sin and blasphem shall be forgiven all men, stop excusing your sin dude,
The only people i see excuse sin are peole like you, and i have known many people who,claim to be christian all over the US.
do not make excuses, they confess and move on.
Actually it is the Christ that tells me about the mainstream preachers of His time and before. I think that places me on a foundation of Rock.
Regarding Acts. 15.
Jesus said His Yoke, that is, the Yoke of the Word which became Flesh, is not a burden. He said;
Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders;(Necks) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
It seems "Many" who come in Christ's name, preach that this "Yoke" the fathers couldn't bear was God's Laws. Yet Jesus clearly stated that the Yoke placed on men's shoulders was not God's Laws, but the Traditions and doctrines of the mainstream preachers of His time and before.
You see, I don't think this is shaky ground, I believe the Scriptures in spite of the fact that many religious preachers who come in the Name of Jesus preach otherwise.
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FWIW. Jesus wasn't afraid of physical death.
[Jesus] in the days of his flesh offered up both prayers and supplications, with loud crying and tears, to the one who was able to save him from death, and he was heard as a result of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7
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That law refers to appearing in Jerusalem where the temple was, and thus where GOD was.
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no james agrees, he said you brak even the least, your builty of all
if I like be all peope, i do notnto t should favoritism, if i do not show favoritism i will not sin, the,root is love.,
stop excusing your sin, just stop already
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Every SINFUL male born in the image of Adam was required to do that. That's why Christ doesn't have to do that-he's not a sinful male. He only 'had' to do it FOR US.
He fulfilled the requirements of the law for us, not for himself. He doesn't have any requirements of ceremonial law binding on him because he has no sin separating him from the Father that would necessitate the doing of that worship. Never did.
You must understand this because this is the exact reason why we don't now have to keep the Festival/ Sabbath cycle of worship. We have no more sin and separation from God on the books in heaven that make it necessary to approach God through the Mosaic Festival law. We're already brought near to God through our faith in Christ.
Note the words 'have to' and 'necessary'. I'm not knocking voluntary service to the Festival cycle of worship, or even doing that because one thinks it's required for the same reason we are not to murder. In fact, if it wasn't for our forefathers buffoonery, who decided they had more authority than Christ and the Bible (Google it), we'd all be worshiping that way anyway. There would be no other official competing system of worship in which to approach God.
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You didn't provide the full context of that verse. Jesus told the crowds to do as their rulers said (law of Moses), but not as they did because they told others to do the law, but didn't do it themselves. In addition they put heavy burdens on the people with their own traditions. Just like today. You teach to keep the law, but don't keep it yourself and lead people astray with your own concocted doctrines of men.
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a faith without hypocrisy, from which some have deviated, [and] have turned away into fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the law, [although they] do not understand either [the things] which they are saying or [the things] concerning which they are speaking confidently. 1 Timothy 1:5-7
The law doesn't say every sinful male. It says every male. Christ was a male under the law, so he was subject to that commandment.
You really are swimming in some strange waters.