GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Brother I am not arguing that we are not able to keep God’sinstructions (Torah) but give me the verse in the Bible stating that God’s law will lead us to salvation? I am referring to the Old Testament, if you can show me that verse we can continue. Nowhere in God’s word (not OT or NT) we can find salvation by keeping the law. Hebrews 11 makes it clear we were always saved by faith.
I agree, we are saved by faith and not by works.

This is why I feel for those who are giving Christian Aid to the poor, they are so near to the kingdom of heaven, yet do not have faith in God.
 
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Brother a simple study of the word “work” tells us that we should cease doing business, Jesus was not telling them they are not keeping written Torah, they were busy breaking their oral Torah.
because the context includes the story of David breaking the law, I think Jesus means the priests break the written rules regarding the Sabbath.
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."[/FONT]
 

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Hey, all who are thirsty, come to the water!
You who have no money, come!
Buy and eat!
Come! Buy wine and milk
without money and without cost!
2*Why pay money for something that will not nourish you?
Why spend your hard-earned money on something that will not satisfy?
Listen carefully to me and eat what is nourishing!
Enjoy fine food!
3*Pay attention and come to me!
Listen, so you can live!
Then I will make an unconditional covenantal promise to you,
just like the reliable covenantal promises I made to David.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah55&version=NET
 

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Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."



Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
Isaiah 58

The Sabbath was another empty religious observance for the Jewish people of Isaiah’s day.

If anyone would insist on the Sabbath, they must also insist on the six-day work week. Exo_20:9, in the command regarding the Sabbath, says Six days you shall labour and do all your work. Adam Clarke says on that passage, “He who idles his time away in the six days is equally culpable in the sight of God as he who works on the seventh.”

In this chapter, God exposed the emptiness of two religious rituals as practised in Isaiah’s day: fasting and Sabbath keeping. Both of these are expressions of not doing things. In fasting, you don’t eat. In Sabbath keeping, you don’t work. An important aspect to this chapter is showing us that what we don’t do isn’t enough to make us right before God. Our walk with God shouldn't only be defined by what we don’t do. We need to ask ourselves, “What do we do for the LORD?”

(David Guzik)
 

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Walk trough the valley
Salvation is not possible by the law: if it was, the Law of Moses could be fulfilled by man, and would be perfect in Love.
I's written, "Only by pride comes contention."
"Behold I come quickly and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone according to his work." Jesus did not believe in doing the work himself and we are called to follow Him. "I can do nothing of myself except what I see the father doing." "This is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He has dent." "A new commandment I give to you, that you Love one another: as I have Loved you, that you Love one another." There is no saint who has not had fellowship in the sufferings of Christ, "All that live godly shall suffer persecution." We are slow of heart to believe and see our dependency on the Holy Spirit to lead us in the Truth. Jesus could not help such as the Pharisees get saved because "Love does not insist on it's own way." His enemies are the ones who insist on their own way. "God will not share His Glory with another." Salvation is in Christ, "This is why we labour ("Labourers together with God") and suffer reproach because we believe in the Living God who is the saviour of all men, especially of them that believe." I believe this means that some who did not have opportunity to believe but lived according to their conscience will be among the nations of the saved, but may not be among the bride (Romains 2:14), such as Buddhists who believe on a higher plane they become one with Christians; like many Christians who went on living for themselves according to their conscience, will remain among the nations of the saved as well. But "If we suffer with Him, we shall rule with Him," "Having fellowship in the sufferings of Christ..." The Holy Spirit enables us to forgive our enemies, victims of abuse forgiving the abuser is necessary growing in Love and only possible by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Isaiah 58

The Sabbath was another empty religious observance for the Jewish people of Isaiah’s day.

If anyone would insist on the Sabbath, they must also insist on the six-day work week. Exo_20:9, in the command regarding the Sabbath, says Six days you shall labour and do all your work. Adam Clarke says on that passage, “He who idles his time away in the six days is equally culpable in the sight of God as he who works on the seventh.”

In this chapter, God exposed the emptiness of two religious rituals as practised in Isaiah’s day: fasting and Sabbath keeping. Both of these are expressions of not doing things. In fasting, you don’t eat. In Sabbath keeping, you don’t work. An important aspect to this chapter is showing us that what we don’t do isn’t enough to make us right before God. Our walk with God shouldn't only be defined by what we don’t do. We need to ask ourselves, “What do we do for the LORD?”

(David Guzik)
Brother, can you please point me to the verse in the Bible stating that by keeping the Sabbath (or the law) we will have our salvation...
 

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Isaiah 58

The Sabbath was another empty religious observance for the Jewish people of Isaiah’s day.

If anyone would insist on the Sabbath, they must also insist on the six-day work week. Exo_20:9, in the command regarding the Sabbath, says Six days you shall labour and do all your work. Adam Clarke says on that passage, “He who idles his time away in the six days is equally culpable in the sight of God as he who works on the seventh.”

In this chapter, God exposed the emptiness of two religious rituals as practised in Isaiah’s day: fasting and Sabbath keeping. Both of these are expressions of not doing things. In fasting, you don’t eat. In Sabbath keeping, you don’t work. An important aspect to this chapter is showing us that what we don’t do isn’t enough to make us right before God. Our walk with God shouldn't only be defined by what we don’t do. We need to ask ourselves, “What do we do for the LORD?”

(David Guzik)
so do the words of these men you uote rule over the words of the Messiah and His Father?

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."



Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
 

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The Messiah said nothing would pass from the Law till heaven and earth passed, that has not happened yet:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
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There is also a prophecy about the FALSE changing of "times and Law" zemawn in the aramaic, in Hebrew moadim, this word is appointed time, the t7h day Sabbath is one of these appointed times...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniel 7:25, “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]times” is word #H2166 – zeman, Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) a set time, time, season[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl Chapter 2-7 is written in Aramaic, not Hebrew. The Israylites were taken captive to Babylon and made to forget their ways under the rule of the Bablonian king. “Zem-awn'” is an Aramaic word, and is the literal equivilent of the Hebrew word “moadim” - word #H4150 meaning: “appointed times”[/FONT]



yet everyone hates you if you follow a doctrine that is following these principles..
 

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Brother, can you please point me to the verse in the Bible stating that by keeping the Sabbath (or the law) we will have our salvation...
I cannot point anyone to a verse in the Bible that tells us that by keeping the Sabbath (or the law) we will have our salvation. It simply does not exist.
 
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I cannot point anyone to a verse in the Bible that tells us that by keeping the Sabbath (or the law) we will have our salvation. It simply does not exist.
It is so important to see that Israel never kept the law for salvation, but they understood that it was their marriage proposal/contract from God. Now if God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow why are we trying to explain to each other that He has change and will give us a different set of rules than His bride at Sinai. God does not deal in double standards. We choose relationship with Him, or not.

My wife and I are trying to keep the Sabbath by not working,difficult for her because sometimes she has to work on Saturdays, but we also trust God that it will change.

The Jews (and Israel) never kept the Sabbath because they wanted to score points with God, they were in a relationship with YHWH Elohim and He required them to do it.
 

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so do the words of these men you uote rule over the words of the Messiah and His Father?

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."



Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
I do believe it is right an proper to set aside a day of meditation and worship and as this cannot be done on a working day when our mind and body is focused on thinking and doing other things, then of necessity we need to set aside a day for meditation, contemplation and Bible Study.
 

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It is so important to see that Israel never kept the law for salvation, but they understood that it was their marriage proposal/contract from God. Now if God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow why are we trying to explain to each other that He has change and will give us a different set of rules than His bride at Sinai. God does not deal in double standards. We choose relationship with Him, or not.

My wife and I are trying to keep the Sabbath by not working,difficult for her because sometimes she has to work on Saturdays, but we also trust God that it will change.

The Jews (and Israel) never kept the Sabbath because they wanted to score points with God, they were in a relationship with YHWH Elohim and He required them to do it.
I admire your sincerity and I am sure you will be blessed of God. My difficulty is with the Jewish calendar that tells us this is the year 5778. Neither do I believe the heavens and earth were made in six days that were 24 hours long. The Jews mark special events, such as the passover for example, and as a Christian I do the same but I am content to follow the Lord Jesus Christ as my example, it is the LORD'S day after all, and for me Jesus made one particular day very special. See my next post.
 

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There is also a prophecy about the FALSE changing of "times and Law" zemawn in the aramaic, in Hebrew moadim, this word is appointed time, the t7h day Sabbath is one of these appointed times...

Daniel 7:25, “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change timesand laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


times” is word #H2166 – zeman, Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) a set time, time, season


Daniyl Chapter 2-7 is written in Aramaic, not Hebrew. The Israylites were taken captive to Babylon and made to forget their ways under the rule of the Bablonian king. “Zem-awn'” is an Aramaic word, and is the literal equivilent of the Hebrew word “moadim” - word #H4150 meaning: “appointed times”


yet everyone hates you if you follow a doctrine that is following these principles..
The scripture there is speaking of the adversary, or the antichrist and considering Jesus was a Jew I believe He corrected the Jewish calender and that Sunday is Lord's day for the following reasons:-

Jesus rose on the first day of the week not the Sabbath: Mk 16:9

All 6 appearances of Jesus happen on two Sundays, none on Sabbath. Mk 16:9; Mt 28:5-9; Lk 24:34; Lk 24:13-15; Lk 24:33,36 + Jn 20:19; Jn 20:26

Christians are recorded assembling three times on Sunday after resurrection and before ascension, never on the Sabbath. Jn 20:19 Jn 20:26 Acts 2:1 (We do not claim that these were worship services, just the early starting point of Sunday gatherings)

The only time Christians are recorded to have assembled together was on a Sunday in Acts 20:7, never does it say the disciples assembled on the Sabbath.

The only day ever mentioned when Christians broke bread was on Sunday: Acts 20:7

Christians are commanded every Sunday to give into a common treasury of the church: 1 Cor 16:1-2

Jesus was declared the Son of God on Sunday: Rom 1:4

Ps 2:7 "Today I have begotten thee" was fulfilled on Sunday when he rose: Acts 13:33

The sign that Jesus was glorified was given on Sunday: Jn 7:39 + Acts 2:1,32

The church officially began on Pentecost Sunday: Acts 2:1

Jesus was crowned king on a Sunday: Acts 2:33-36

The disciples reception of the promise of the Father on Sunday: Acts 1:4-5; 2:1-4

The Holy Spirit first fell upon the apostles on a Sunday: Acts 2:1-4

Salvation first preached by Peter on Sunday: Mt 16:19; Acts 2:1,38,40-41

The Keys to the Kingdom of God were first used on Sunday: Mt 16:19

The great "Triumphal entry" (also called "Palm Sunday") happened on the first day: Luke 13:32

The time between the Lord's resurrection (sheaf waving day) and Pentecost was Sunday to Sunday counting of 50 days. The starting and stopping time was on the 1st day.

First time Jesus worshipped after resurrection was on the first day by Thomas (Jn. 20:26).

The first time we could be born again to a living hope was on a Sunday: 1 Pet. 1:3

The first time Jesus had communion after his resurrection with His disciples, was on a Sunday: (Lk. 24:1, 13, 28-35)

Pentecost was a Sunday - Sunday duration of 50 days. The starting point and stopping point of counting the 50 days was a Sunday.
 
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I admire your sincerity and I am sure you will be blessed of God. My difficulty is with the Jewish calendar that tells us this is the year 5778. Neither do I believe the heavens and earth were made in six days that were 24 hours long. The Jews mark special events, such as the passover for example, and as a Christian I do the same but I am content to follow the Lord Jesus Christ as my example, it is the LORD'S day after all, and for me Jesus made one particular day very special. See my next post.
I am busy attending Bible School at our church and our Pastor is a professor in Hebrew. The way he explains the word are opening new knowledge to us. The one thing he did address was the creation and after explaining to us why it was literally seven days it all make sense. Hebrew is a three dimensional language and a very descriptive language. If God wanted us to know that the time He took to create heaven and earth was longer than seven days He would have explained it to us. You see if we doubt this we should also doubt that he counts every hair on our heads while still managing the “small matter” of the universe. Who is this God that we serve? We can only stand in awe and admire Him in His complexity.

If we also understand time periods (like a seven day week) and that we are heading for a 1000 years of peace after 6000 years on earth it all make sense. After the 1000 years of peace and the final battle we will enter the 8000 year period which stand for new beginnings. God said He will make all things new.
 

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I am busy attending Bible School at our church and our Pastor is a professor in Hebrew. The way he explains the word are opening new knowledge to us. The one thing he did address was the creation and after explaining to us why it was literally seven days it all make sense. Hebrew is a three dimensional language and a very descriptive language. If God wanted us to know that the time He took to create heaven and earth was longer than seven days He would have explained it to us. You see if we doubt this we should also doubt that he counts every hair on our heads while still managing the “small matter” of the universe. Who is this God that we serve? We can only stand in awe and admire Him in His complexity.

If we also understand time periods (like a seven day week) and that we are heading for a 1000 years of peace after 6000 years on earth it all make sense. After the 1000 years of peace and the final battle we will enter the 8000 year period which stand for new beginnings. God said He will make all things new.
I am surprised you Hebrew speaking Pastor did not explain that yôm, as with a lot of words is a homonym, and as such has several meanings.

H3117
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yôm
yome

From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.


Total KJV occurrences: 2295


 
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I am surprised you Hebrew speaking Pastor did not explain that yôm, as with a lot of words is a homonym, and as such has several meanings.

H3117
יוֹם
yôm
yome

From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.


Total KJV occurrences: 2295


Friend, the Hebrew language goes much deeper than an explanation in e-Sword. That is the beginning but there are so much more :)