#1 - What I have said throughout - God is not in control of EVERYTHING - MY meaning - God is NOT the causation of evil. I believe I said God does not control the evil done to us. (I could be wrong - there has been so much said and sometimes our words don't fully convey the full meaning of what we are trying to say!)
#2 - Then the "permission" thingy was brought up . . . I responded basically with if God responds to Satan with permission, assent, consent, allowing Satan to do evil then He is the causation of the evil that happens. I also responded with scripture.
#3 - When you posted scripture I responded to scripture - When I posted scripture, the scriptures I posted were never responded to.
#4 - If God says that Satan is the god of this world - then Satan is in control of things happening in this WORLD.
#5 - If God says that the whole world lies in the power, control of the evil one - then Satan is controlling the evil in this WORLD.
#6 - God stopping the evil that touches us - Yes, God can and will intervene on our behalf through our prayers and our faith
#7 - God stopping the evil that touches us - He has also given us the tools to keep ourselves from the wicked one
#8 - God does not render evil (make, cause, give) just so he can turn around and make it good - He takes the evil done, by and through our enemy and His, and makes it good.
#9 - Post #40 - "
#2 - Then the "permission" thingy was brought up . . . I responded basically with if God responds to Satan with permission, assent, consent, allowing Satan to do evil then He is the causation of the evil that happens. I also responded with scripture.
#3 - When you posted scripture I responded to scripture - When I posted scripture, the scriptures I posted were never responded to.
#4 - If God says that Satan is the god of this world - then Satan is in control of things happening in this WORLD.
#5 - If God says that the whole world lies in the power, control of the evil one - then Satan is controlling the evil in this WORLD.
#6 - God stopping the evil that touches us - Yes, God can and will intervene on our behalf through our prayers and our faith
#7 - God stopping the evil that touches us - He has also given us the tools to keep ourselves from the wicked one
#8 - God does not render evil (make, cause, give) just so he can turn around and make it good - He takes the evil done, by and through our enemy and His, and makes it good.
#9 - Post #40 - "
It's easy for me to pray because I know where the evil comes from . . . I trust because I know where the evil comes from. I stay alert and watchful, aware of evil's methods and I hopefully, to the best of my ability, I keep myself within the full armor of God to avoid the fiery darts of the wicked . . . Yes, the fiery darts of the wicked NOT any evil that God "allows" to touch me. God "allowing" evil to touch me is God orchestrating with Satan to perform evil. As scripture says - there is no darkness in God at all - evil is darkness and I guess that's why I believe the way I do."
#10 - So, there is a problem with a God who allows evil and yet, tells me how to avoid evil - If God is permitting the evil to befall me then it is his will . . . but yet we are told to fight against evil??????
#10 - So, there is a problem with a God who allows evil and yet, tells me how to avoid evil - If God is permitting the evil to befall me then it is his will . . . but yet we are told to fight against evil??????
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.The Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.” Then Satan answered the Lord, “Does Job fear God for nothing?Have You not made a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.But put forth Your hand now and touch all that he has; he will surely curse You to Your face.”Then the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power, do not put forth your hand on him.So Satan departed from the presence of the Lord.[Job 1:6-12]
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man fearing God and turning away from evil. And he still holds fast his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause.” Satan answered the Lordand said, “Skin for skin! Yes, all that a man has he will give for his life. However, put forth Your hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh; he will curse You to Your face.” So the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your power, only spare his life.”[Job 2:1-6]
In both instance, God gave Satan permission to assault Job, but he could only go so far. God is in complete control.
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