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The Scriptures say God's Commandments are "Spiritual". It seems that my post reflects the desire of the Christ for us to "Walk in them". So seeking would be the first step as Jesus said.
"Seek ye FIRST the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness".
When we find them, what should we do? Reject them, or "Walk in them".
You say " ."
How can we Love God if we reject or re-write His instruction on how to Love God?
How can we love each other if we reject or re-write God's instructions on how to "Love each other"?
You are right in that the Word of God does, in fact, define God's Love, as my post shows.
Shouldn't we then "Walk in them"?
"Seek ye FIRST the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness".
When we find them, what should we do? Reject them, or "Walk in them".
You say " ."
How can we Love God if we reject or re-write His instruction on how to Love God?
How can we love each other if we reject or re-write God's instructions on how to "Love each other"?
You are right in that the Word of God does, in fact, define God's Love, as my post shows.
Shouldn't we then "Walk in them"?
[h=2]Re: Speak Your Mind.[/h]
Studyman you have said it, when people change the Word as given by Jesus Christ, it cannot be called love.
When people in the threads stick to the Word as given by Jesus Christ they will be treated just as was Christ, with discain from those who will not receive Him, andwith adoration from all who receive Him.
There are those who not stopping at disdaining our Lord go on to teach not to believe His very words, and this is not love.
Telling the Truth is Love for God is Love and Truth.
When people in the threads stick to the Word as given by Jesus Christ they will be treated just as was Christ, with discain from those who will not receive Him, andwith adoration from all who receive Him.
There are those who not stopping at disdaining our Lord go on to teach not to believe His very words, and this is not love.
Telling the Truth is Love for God is Love and Truth.
As an elder and deacon in 3 Presbyterian PCA churches (moved twice) I took classes from the ministers teaching theology. I learned all of the technical theological terms like justified. To me they clutter up the simple gospel message. We accept the sacrifice of Jesus. Then we are saved by grace through faith!! As an electronics and software engineer I believe in using the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) method used in those professions. It applies to the Christian message.
Jesus said when he returns the whole world will see it and mourn. Studyman adheres to the full pretorist concept that is partially non Biblical. He claims Jesus did return in 70 AD and it happened in the spiritual world. Isaiah tells that the Messiah will rule physically on Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. He rejects this prophecy and claims it happened in the spiritual world only. He ignores all prophecies about the physical world happenings.
Here is something to ponder on.
Divine Message of August Eclipse
https://www.unsealed.org/2017/06/the-divine-message-of-august-eclipse.html
Divine Message of August Eclipse
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Studyman has been very accurate on much. I know I believe Jesus christ so I do not believe He has returned but I will not reject al of what Studyman posts.
Jesus Christ is yet to return, and it is one time and it is in Glory, His Glory.
Bear in mind, although I disagree with just about everyone who has a denomination chain, I do believe there are believers in all walks of life and only Jesus knows who each is, for they do know Him, they could be wrong in many things, RCC, most Protestant denomnations, all denominations under Judaism.........and more, yet God declares if He justifies the ungodly (appearing ungodly I am certain) what is that to us? Our Dad knows what He is doing and wht He is doing is wonderful
I do agree with you on this particular teaching, I believe it is dead wrong......God bless you and God bless Stdyman... When I pray for blessings for anyone it is never for their errors but for their salvation and truth, amen.
Jesus Christ is yet to return, and it is one time and it is in Glory, His Glory.
Bear in mind, although I disagree with just about everyone who has a denomination chain, I do believe there are believers in all walks of life and only Jesus knows who each is, for they do know Him, they could be wrong in many things, RCC, most Protestant denomnations, all denominations under Judaism.........and more, yet God declares if He justifies the ungodly (appearing ungodly I am certain) what is that to us? Our Dad knows what He is doing and wht He is doing is wonderful
I do agree with you on this particular teaching, I believe it is dead wrong......God bless you and God bless Stdyman... When I pray for blessings for anyone it is never for their errors but for their salvation and truth, amen.
Yes, ridicule, laughing, insulting, that is one option. But there are others. You might also actually consider the Post and explain why you agree or disagree.
I asked "Shouldn't God be the one that defines how to Love Him, and How to Love others." Shouldn't God be the one that defines Love to begin with?
Rather than laughing and ridiculing, you might consider actually answering what seems like a simple question? And then discussing what "GOD" says His Love is. How GOD says to Love Him. How God says to Love others.
How can I misunderstand you if you refuse to answer the question to begin with.
I asked "Shouldn't God be the one that defines how to Love Him, and How to Love others." Shouldn't God be the one that defines Love to begin with?
Rather than laughing and ridiculing, you might consider actually answering what seems like a simple question? And then discussing what "GOD" says His Love is. How GOD says to Love Him. How God says to Love others.
How can I misunderstand you if you refuse to answer the question to begin with.
Please show the very least amount of honesty and courage and show where I ever suggested such a thing. If you can't, then show the very least of honesty and humility and retract your false witness of me.
I don't believe it is necessary to find a human historian to explain what the examples, God created for my admonition, mean. You are free to seek outside His Word for understanding if you can't find it the Word, but I think it is wrong for you to just make up falsehoods about people who gain their knowledge the old fashioned way, by studying and believing the Word of God.
1 Cor. 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1 Cor. 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
So I do believe that God had the Scriptures written for our admonition.
Rom. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
So the belief that the "Law" AKA, Law and Prophets, were;
#1. Written for me to learn from.
#2. are Spiritual
Not because some school teachers or historian that I trust told me so, but because the Word of God told me so. You don't believe in it, join the crowd. There are "many" who come in Christ's name that don't really believe what it says.
So regarding scripture, do we starve an ox that is working for us? Of course not. So there is a physical proponent to the scripture.
But does this mean that if I don't own an OX, that this scripture is to be rejected or ignored? No Endo, because there is also a Spiritual meaning that is the important part of the Scripture. Your favorite historian will not reveal to you this Spiritual meaning, only the Spirit of God will do this.
Is Mt. Zion a physical place? Yes, it is a pile of rock and sand called Mt. Zion. But isn't this also a Spiritual place, more than rocks and dirt? Isn't there also a Spiritual meaning to Mt. Zion, and Jerusalem? According to scientists and historians and archeologists you seek out, no. But according to the Word's of the Great God of the Bible, Yes.
Heb. 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
This is the Mt. Zion I seek, this is the Jerusalem I strive for. You are free to pick and choose between this pile of rocks and that pile of rocks or this oxen or that oxen if you like. But I'm waiting for the True Messiah to return.
Heb. 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
You are free to "reject" these Biblical Principles, most do as it is written. But to say I believe Jesus came back in 70AD, well that is just a flat out falsehood.
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1 Cor. 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
So I do believe that God had the Scriptures written for our admonition.
Rom. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
So the belief that the "Law" AKA, Law and Prophets, were;
#1. Written for me to learn from.
#2. are Spiritual
Not because some school teachers or historian that I trust told me so, but because the Word of God told me so. You don't believe in it, join the crowd. There are "many" who come in Christ's name that don't really believe what it says.
So regarding scripture, do we starve an ox that is working for us? Of course not. So there is a physical proponent to the scripture.
But does this mean that if I don't own an OX, that this scripture is to be rejected or ignored? No Endo, because there is also a Spiritual meaning that is the important part of the Scripture. Your favorite historian will not reveal to you this Spiritual meaning, only the Spirit of God will do this.
Is Mt. Zion a physical place? Yes, it is a pile of rock and sand called Mt. Zion. But isn't this also a Spiritual place, more than rocks and dirt? Isn't there also a Spiritual meaning to Mt. Zion, and Jerusalem? According to scientists and historians and archeologists you seek out, no. But according to the Word's of the Great God of the Bible, Yes.
Heb. 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
This is the Mt. Zion I seek, this is the Jerusalem I strive for. You are free to pick and choose between this pile of rocks and that pile of rocks or this oxen or that oxen if you like. But I'm waiting for the True Messiah to return.
Heb. 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
You are free to "reject" these Biblical Principles, most do as it is written. But to say I believe Jesus came back in 70AD, well that is just a flat out falsehood.
You kept saying 70AD was when Jesus returned in the spirit world. If I am wrong correct what you claim about Jesus returning. I put this against Isaiah claiming the Messiah will rule from Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. Also Jesus claiming that he will return with the whole earth seeing Him and mourning. I have posted those verses several times. You push the full pretorist concept that everything is in the spirit world. This is contrary to the scriptures I posted. Where am I wrong about what you posted.
Here are a quote and pointers to sites about the 613 laws in the Torah
Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.
List of the 613 laws in the Torah
All 613 Commandments in the Old Testament Law of Moses
Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.
List of the 613 laws in the Torah
All 613 Commandments in the Old Testament Law of Moses
Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
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Option B, EG. 
We definitely obey because we are saved. Not the other way. That would be impossible any way, as you know.
First, we could never be good enough, even if we did keep all the commandments on the outside. On the inside, however, it's a different story. There are those evil thoughts that just pop in unprovoked. For me, they do, anyway. Ugh!
Secondly, a natural (or carnal) man has no understanding of spiritual matters; so to him, it'd be like, "What commandments?" Nor would he have the Spirit in him to prick him in the heart to be obedient.
Thanks!
We definitely obey because we are saved. Not the other way. That would be impossible any way, as you know.
First, we could never be good enough, even if we did keep all the commandments on the outside. On the inside, however, it's a different story. There are those evil thoughts that just pop in unprovoked. For me, they do, anyway. Ugh!
Secondly, a natural (or carnal) man has no understanding of spiritual matters; so to him, it'd be like, "What commandments?" Nor would he have the Spirit in him to prick him in the heart to be obedient.
Thanks!
Option B, EG.
We definitely obey because we are saved. Not the other way. That would be impossible any way, as you know.
First, we could never be good enough, even if we did keep all the commandments on the outside. On the inside, however, it's a different story. There are those evil thoughts that just pop in unprovoked. For me, they do, anyway. Ugh!
Secondly, a natural (or carnal) man has no understanding of spiritual matters; so to him, it'd be like, "What commandments?" Nor would he have the Spirit in him to prick him in the heart to be obedient.
Thanks!
We definitely obey because we are saved. Not the other way. That would be impossible any way, as you know.
First, we could never be good enough, even if we did keep all the commandments on the outside. On the inside, however, it's a different story. There are those evil thoughts that just pop in unprovoked. For me, they do, anyway. Ugh!
Secondly, a natural (or carnal) man has no understanding of spiritual matters; so to him, it'd be like, "What commandments?" Nor would he have the Spirit in him to prick him in the heart to be obedient.
Thanks!