The Rapture

[Endoscopy]

But His presence did return in 70 AD and all the "tribes of the earth" (Israel) mourned because they saw Him. He said He was going to come back to that generation to punish the wicked and reward the just. Do you think He broke that promise?

Here is Jesus saying how he would return. Are you calling him a liar?? Has the rapture happened??? I stand with what Jesus prophesied here!!!

Matthew 24 NIV
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 

[Endoscopy]

You say that these things are not known. Maybe you have not looked in the right places. History has confirmed many of the events shown.




You still have not confronted and answered the scripture in Heb 1:2 where Paul states that he is in the last days.




All of these views where written before Israel was restored to Jerusalem. The fact that Jerusalem is restored shows our place in the time line. Before this event it was not confirmed that this event could ever happen. But now that it has happened, it changes the perspective of the time line from future events to past/present events.




The last days began on Pentecost.




The Revelation shows the scroll of the 7 seals being opened.





Just because a theory has some things right, doesn't mean that it is completely right.

Just because a theory has some things wrong, doesn't mean that it is completely wrong.

I detest people like you taking a verse out of context in order to twist the meaning of the verse. Context is all important foolish one. Never ever just take a single verse.

Hebrews 1 NIV
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Obviously in context the last days is a short time in the past of the writer. Not 70AD!!!

 

[PlainWord]

Here is Jesus saying how he would return. Are you calling him a liar?? Has the rapture happened??? I stand with what Jesus prophesied here!!!

Matthew 24 NIV
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Can we agree to refrain from accusing each other of calling Christ a liar? No true Christian would EVER do that. We can disagree on timing and meaning of events without suggesting Christ lied. A few verses later, Christ said, "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." "All" means everything He said before this which starts out with the temple, the signs leading up to the invasion of Rome, the great tribulation of Jerusalem and then His return. So either you allegorize away the "this generation" or you add massive gaps not taught.

Earlier in Mat 16 Jesus says this,

“Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”​

Either He was joking, lying, or He came back. Which was it? For your view to work, you have to ignore all the teaching of an imminent return that they all expected.​

 

[abcdef]

I detest people like you taking a verse out of context in order to twist the meaning of the verse. Context is all important foolish one. Never ever just take a single verse.

Brother Endoscopy,

Sorry about that. I thought that you understood the context already, you having scriptural knowledge.


Hebrews 1 NIV
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Obviously in context the last days is a short time in the past of the writer. Not 70AD!!!

So what you are saying is that rephrased, it might be something like, "But in these more recent days", instead of "in these last days."

I can understand that.

Thanks, I've never looked at it that way before. I'll have to take another look and think about it.
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So when do you think that the last days/end times begin? Not yet or just about over? Maybe some where in the middle?

 

[abcdef]

Here is Jesus saying how he would return. Are you calling him a liar?? Has the rapture happened??? I stand with what Jesus prophesied here!!!

Matthew 24 NIV
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.[/QUOTE

#1. Problem.....No man can see Jesus in His glory and live Ex 33:20. So everyone who sees Him must die instantly. That means at the resur/rapt everybody on planet earth dies when they see Him. If this is literal and not symbolic.

#2. Problem....This cannot be the resur/rapt at the beginning of the trib., because v 29 says that this happens After the trib. Which is it?

 

[Ahwatukee]

To Roadkill,

Now for your verification here is something to let you know this if from God the Father.
In May of 2018 the ground for the new Temple on the Mount will be broken. It will take 40 years for this temple to be completed. When the last stone is place then will begin the last 7 year countdown of Daniel's 70 weeks concerning Israel before Jesus' Return to this Earth to set up his Millennium Kingdom on Earth.

We are just about half way through May and though there is going to be a celebration of Israel's seventieth anniversary as a nation, as well as the ceremony for the moving of the American embassy recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, there has not been a single word said regarding a ground breaking ceremony for the temple. The building of temple being a monumental event, surely would have been announced even up to a year prior to the actual event taking place. Yet, here we are in the middle of May and not a word has been said. This undertaking is something that the whole world would know about way before the actual event took place. It would have been an event that would have been well known and anticipated prior to the actual day of the event and not just a last minute announcement.

You have claimed to have received information from a so-called angel of God proclaiming a specific month in which the ground breaking for the temple would take place, which if true must take place, because what God says He will perform and He cannot lie. Therefore, since we have not yet heard anything regarding this event, which the world should have known about well before this time, then this angelic being cannot be from God, regardless of your testing of him.

I would suggest repentance of this false claim, because it makes you a false prophet and go to the throne of grace, because you have obviously been deceived by the powers of darkness. I would also break off all communication with this so-called angel, because he was obviously not sent by God, which means that any information that he has given to you cannot be trusted, including the information regarding the gathering of the church being a three day event.

 

[garee]

Now for your verification here is something to let you know this if from God the Father.
In May of 2018 the ground for the new Temple on the Mount will be broken. It will take 40 years for this temple to be completed. When the last stone is place then will begin the last 7 year countdown of Daniel's 70 weeks concerning Israel before Jesus' Return to this Earth to set up his Millennium Kingdom on Earth.

We do not know Christ, a non creature, after the rudiments of this world(flesh and blood), after the oral traditions, the philosophies of men, after some false prophecy as if the first century reformation had not come.

God is not even still bring new prophecy as that needed to go above that which is written

The veil is rent indicating the Son of man who came in the corrupted flesh typified as sinful... has come.

Before he left he left us with a warning of those who believe God, who is not a man as us would come from another outward demonstration of the Lamb of God who was slain from the very foundation of the world.

We walk by faith after the eternal not seen, not by sight after the temporal things seen .

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.2 Corinthians 5:16

While we look not at “the things” which are seen, but at “the things” which are not seen: (called faith) for the things which are seen are temporal; but “the things” which are not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians 4:18​

 

[Endoscopy]

Can we agree to refrain from accusing each other of calling Christ a liar? No true Christian would EVER do that. We can disagree on timing and meaning of events without suggesting Christ lied. A few verses later, Christ said, "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." "All" means everything He said before this which starts out with the temple, the signs leading up to the invasion of Rome, the great tribulation of Jerusalem and then His return. So either you allegorize away the "this generation" or you add massive gaps not taught.

Earlier in Mat 16 Jesus says this,

“Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”​

Either He was joking, lying, or He came back. Which was it? For your view to work, you have to ignore all the teaching of an imminent return that they all expected.​

You conviently ignore the verses coming next. Looks to me like the disciples saw it. You are very bad at putting verses in context!! When single verses are posted I go to biblegateway.com and look at surrounding verses.

Matthew 17 AMPC (Amplified Bible, Classic Edition)
1 And six days after this, Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves.
2 And His appearance underwent a change in their presence; and His face shone clear and bright like the sun, and His clothing became as white as light.
3 And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, who kept talking with Him.
4 Then Peter began to speak and said to Jesus, Lord, it is good and delightful that we are here; if You approve, I will put up three booths here—one for You and one for Moses and one for Elijah.
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a shining cloud [composed of light] overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, This is My Son, My Beloved, with Whom I am [and have always been] delighted. Listen to Him!
6 When the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were seized with alarm and struck with fear.
7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, Get up, and do not be afraid.

 

[Endoscopy]

Can we agree to refrain from accusing each other of calling Christ a liar? No true Christian would EVER do that. We can disagree on timing and meaning of events without suggesting Christ lied. A few verses later, Christ said, "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." "All" means everything He said before this which starts out with the temple, the signs leading up to the invasion of Rome, the great tribulation of Jerusalem and then His return. So either you allegorize away the "this generation" or you add massive gaps not taught.

Earlier in Mat 16 Jesus says this,

“Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”​

Either He was joking, lying, or He came back. Which was it? For your view to work, you have to ignore all the teaching of an imminent return that they all expected.​

Here it is in the AMPC translation. It gives more precise meaning by giving any other meanings of a word. This gives a much different view than what you claim. Personally I use NIV and AMPC. AMPC is more cumbersome but gives much better detail.

Matthew 24 AMPC

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor].
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the universe to the other.
32 From the fig tree learn this lesson: as soon as its young shoots become soft and tender and it puts out its leaves, you know of a surety that summer is near.
33 So also when you see these signs, all taken together, coming to pass, you may know of a surety that He is near, at the very doors.
34 Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these things taken together take place.
35 Sky and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

 

[Endoscopy]

Brother Endoscopy,

Sorry about that. I thought that you understood the context already, you having scriptural knowledge.


Hebrews 1 NIV
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.




So what you are saying is that rephrased, it might be something like, "But in these more recent days", instead of "in these last days."

I can understand that.

Thanks, I've never looked at it that way before. I'll have to take another look and think about it.
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So when do you think that the last days/end times begin? Not yet or just about over? Maybe some where in the middle?

I believe it is close but only the Father knows when. The US had an eclipse go across the country and in 2024 another one will draw a diagonal line crossing it thus drawing an X on the country. The end points have a meaning I read about but forgot. Bad recent memory at 73. Commuications today means something happening can be seen all over earth as it is happening. This allows prophecies about the earth seeing events as they happen to occur. The bodies of the prophets laying in the street and Jesus returning among other happenings.

 

[garee]

You conviently ignore the verses coming next. Looks to me like the disciples saw it. You are very bad at putting verses in context!! When single verses are posted I go to biblegateway.com and look at surrounding verses.​

It would seem they saw a shadow of it in a vision. Not the actual persons who flesh the worms had devoured. Their spirits returned to the father, they will be raised up on the last day to receive their new incorruptible bodies as with all saints.

A vision is information coming into our fleshly minds to be used as parables using the temporal things seen to give us a vision of things not seen, the eternal.

That's why today I believe the idea of just imagining a person is having a out of the body experience is dangerous to a Christians . The Son of man as Jesus in Mathew 4 was tempted in that way to add another source of faith other than as it is written . with the word it representing the faith of Christ that works in Christians.

Every time a new vison appeared even that to Jesus even all the kingdoms of this world and the glory of them that Jesus experienced without literal moving a inch he would say again and again it is written . The one source of faith by which we can believe God not seen . Vison are used as metaphors in parables. The kingdom of God is not of this world it does not come by observation, walking by sight after the temporal things seen but rather walking by faith the unseen eternal

 

[Endoscopy]

Found back the reference to the eclipses. Looks like the end times is getting close.

Divine Message of August Eclipse
https://www.unsealed.org/2017/06/the-divine-message-of-august-eclipse.html

 

[Endoscopy]

I just started to study the rapture and the tribulation few days ago. I came across what every Christian is debating about. I alone believe in the mid tribulation rapture. I just want to get your view on this if you are pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib rapture believer. THANKS AND GOD BLESS

Having read and studied eschatology off and on since HS and at 73 I adhere to the pan mil viewpoint. It will all pan out in the end. If the theologians couldn't come up with a single version I throw up my hands especially since Daniel states the book is closed until the end times. Revelation is written the same way. Confusion reigns Supreme. Only God knows the truth.

 

[PlainWord]

You conviently ignore the verses coming next. Looks to me like the disciples saw it. You are very bad at putting verses in context!! When single verses are posted I go to biblegateway.com and look at surrounding verses.

Matthew 17 AMPC (Amplified Bible, Classic Edition)
1 And six days after this, Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves.
2 And His appearance underwent a change in their presence; and His face shone clear and bright like the sun, and His clothing became as white as light.
3 And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, who kept talking with Him.
4 Then Peter began to speak and said to Jesus, Lord, it is good and delightful that we are here; if You approve, I will put up three booths here—one for You and one for Moses and one for Elijah.
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a shining cloud [composed of light] overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, This is My Son, My Beloved, with Whom I am [and have always been] delighted. Listen to Him!
6 When the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were seized with alarm and struck with fear.
7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, Get up, and do not be afraid.

He was not speaking of His return following His transfiguration. He had arrived at Caesarea Philippi and was speaking to His disciples before going up on the "high mountain" (which we call the Mount of Transfiguration located near Nazareth). He left the 12 and took Peter, James and John with Him to the Mountain and was gone from the other 9 what, 2 days max? And this was after He was still with them all for 6 more days. Did any of the 9 standing there die before He returned. Absolute lunacy reasoning brother. He said,

"there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Not some saw Him return from the Mount of Transfiguration, ALL saw Him return. Was there to be a mass shooting while He was gone leaving some of the 9 dead?

He was speaking of His second coming!! You teach "context" and show me the verses which followed Mat 16:28. Now let me show you the verses which proceed it:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

He was talking about the Cross brother End. Then He talks about what will happen to them after He ascends. None of the disciples died before Christ (except Judas). Here, just before He discusses His return, He is speaking of them following Him (after the Cross) and many of them becoming martyrs in His name. Thus, verse 28 speaks to the second coming, not the transfiguration.

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

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I've never seen so many struggle with basic reading comprehension as your futurists do. You can't seem to pick up the subject matter. They were on to a new subject and sequences of events in Mat 17 as 6 days passed.​

 

[Endoscopy]

He was not speaking of His return following His transfiguration. He had arrived at Caesarea Philippi and was speaking to His disciples before going up on the "high mountain" (which we call the Mount of Transfiguration located near Nazareth). He left the 12 and took Peter, James and John with Him to the Mountain and was gone from the other 9 what, 2 days max? And this was after He was still with them all for 6 more days. Did any of the 9 standing there die before He returned. Absolute lunacy reasoning brother. He said,

"there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Not some saw Him return from the Mount of Transfiguration, ALL saw Him return. Was there to be a mass shooting while He was gone leaving some of the 9 dead?

He was speaking of His second coming!! You teach "context" and show me the verses which followed Mat 16:28. Now let me show you the verses which proceed it:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

He was talking about the Cross brother End. Then He talks about what will happen to them after He ascends. None of the disciples died before Christ (except Judas). Here, just before He discusses His return, He is speaking of them following Him (after the Cross) and many of them becoming martyrs in His name. Thus, verse 28 speaks to the second coming, not the transfiguration.

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

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I've never seen so many struggle with basic reading comprehension as your futurists do. You can't seem to pick up the subject matter. They were on to a new subject and sequences of events in Mat 17 as 6 days passed.​

More drivel coming from the flawed full pretorist view.

Explain to us how the prophesied viewing of Jesus returning being seen by THE WHOLE EARTH happened and nothing in any history about it. Your pretorist view violates that prophecy of Jesus. How did the rapture happen and no one knew it. IMatthew 24 AMPC

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor].
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the universe to the other.
32 From the fig tree learn this lesson: as soon as its young shoots become soft and tender and it puts out its leaves, you know of a surety that summer is near.
33 So also when you see these signs, all taken together, coming to pass, you may know of a surety that He is near, at the very doors.
34 Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these things taken together take place.
35 Sky and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

36 But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. ​I take the word of Jesus overover yours all the time!!!

Matthew 24 AMPC


30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor].
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the universe to the other.
32 From the fig tree learn this lesson: as soon as its young shoots become soft and tender and it puts out its leaves, you know of a surety that summer is near.
33 So also when you see these signs, all taken together, coming to pass, you may know of a surety that He is near, at the very doors.
34 Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these things taken together take place.
35 Sky and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

 

[Endoscopy]

Can we agree to refrain from accusing each other of calling Christ a liar? No true Christian would EVER do that. We can disagree on timing and meaning of events without suggesting Christ lied. A few verses later, Christ said, "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." "All" means everything He said before this which starts out with the temple, the signs leading up to the invasion of Rome, the great tribulation of Jerusalem and then His return. So either you allegorize away the "this generation" or you add massive gaps not taught.

Earlier in Mat 16 Jesus says this,

“Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”​

Either He was joking, lying, or He came back. Which was it? For your view to work, you have to ignore all the teaching of an imminent return that they all expected.​

When you reject the Word of Jesus what else can I say. I gave the quote several times on this site and in this thread. You try to make it Spirit world only rejecting that Jesus said the whole earth would see Him and mourn.

 

[Endoscopy]

I use the NIV and AMPC. AMPC is more difficult to read but gives a better understanding of the verses by including the different meanings of the original language word. Notice AMPC version of John 3:16

John 3:16 KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16 NIV
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:16 ESV
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 3 AMPC Amplified Classic
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.

 

[Endoscopy]

Here is Jesus saying how he would return. Are you calling him a liar?? Has the rapture happened??? I stand with what Jesus prophesied here!!!

Matthew 24 NIV
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.[/QUOTE

#1. Problem.....No man can see Jesus in His glory and live Ex 33:20. So everyone who sees Him must die instantly. That means at the resur/rapt everybody on planet earth dies when they see Him. If this is literal and not symbolic.

#2. Problem....This cannot be the resur/rapt at the beginning of the trib., because v 29 says that this happens After the trib. Which is it?

Eschatology is very confusing. Therefore I am a pan mill. It will all pan out in the end. I trust in Jesus and will accept however it happens. Part of the tribulation Christians will not be here. One of the things stated is if the time isn't shortened all life would be killed.

Then you are saying Jesus isn't telling the truth about the whole earth seeing Him returning and mourn. At that point all of the unbelievers are doomed and they know it. Thus they will ask mountains to fall on them to keep them from the judgement. I go with what Jesus prophesied concerning His return.

 

[tanakh]

The idea that God would have anything to do with a new man made Temple being built proves that its a false prophecy.
If he wanted Israel to have a Temple he wouldn't have allowed the previous one to be destroyed in the first place.

 

[abcdef]

Having read and studied eschatology off and on since HS and at 73 I adhere to the pan mil viewpoint. It will all pan out in the end. If the theologians couldn't come up with a single version I throw up my hands

Brother Endoscopy,

Never mind the theologians, what have you come up with? Who is the iron legs/toes nation of Dan 2?

especially since Daniel states the book is closed until the end times.

It seems to me that these days many do have the writings figured out, or at least they have narrowed down the possibilities. Only in a few places is there much debate.

You seem to have a well informed opinion on most matters. And have reached a conclusion in your mind on some things.

You have studied for years and have knowledge, what can it be, that you do not know in Daniel? I mean, there are so many commentaries out there.

So, is the book, with it's meanings, not open to you?

Revelation is written the same way.

You seem to have informed opinions on the Rev also. The Rev is all about the battle between love and those who do not love Jesus and His people. We would probably agree on that.

But we believe that the Rev shows the future and the eternal. A time of God's plan. Revealed to us, here and now and then.

Perhaps the entities described are not completely revealed, but the spirit of those entities is revealed as loving Israel or destroying Israel.

Confusion reigns Supreme.

Jesus and His kingdom of love reign supreme, as Jesus sits on the throne at this present time. (We just need to have enough faith to believe it and take action. By preaching the Gospel, Jesus allows us to share in His glory. Some will plant and some will water.)

Only God knows the truth.

Jesus told us everything that we need to know in the Bible. The Revealing is showing us what will happen. Jesus has told us about His coming and the home of the kingdom.

The Holy Spirit will reveal the prophecies to the minds of His servants at the proper time.

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What about where the Revelation shows the scroll of the 7 seals being opened? Doesn't that show that the Revelation is unsealed and opened?