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Positional righteousness and effectual righteousness go hand in hand. You ARE righteous therefore your spirit desires the ways of God. If you tell people they are unrighteous, and they have to try to be righteous of their own accord, where’s the power of the gospel in that? This newness of identity is found in understanding that we are now sons of God.
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Does the fruit matter?
Since you think so, explain the parable of the barren fig tree.
Luke 13
The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree6And he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7And he said to the vinedresser, ‘Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?’ 8And he answered him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure. 9Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.’”
Here's a full grown fig tree that had not born fruit for 3 years, & was going to be cut down if nothing in another year.
If it wasn't full grown, the owner would have expected nothing from a sapling, now would he?
Since you think so, explain the parable of the barren fig tree.
Luke 13
The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree6And he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7And he said to the vinedresser, ‘Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?’ 8And he answered him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure. 9Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.’”
Here's a full grown fig tree that had not born fruit for 3 years, & was going to be cut down if nothing in another year.
If it wasn't full grown, the owner would have expected nothing from a sapling, now would he?
In Luke 8:15, we read - But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance (NASB). Are you disagreeing with God in Luke 8:15? Good soil represents a person properly preapared in heart who having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keeps it and bears fruit with patience (NKJV).
Even if one could make a case for the plant in the thorny soil having some type of root system, the roots are not fine because the plant is not rooted in a regenerate heart, unlike the good ground hearer, who heard the word with an honest and good heart and produced fruit with perseverance, unlike the rocky and thorny soil.
In the context of Matthew 15:13, when Jesus was discussing the scribes and Pharisees, He said, "Every plant that My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted/pulled up by the roots." Does that mean these plants represent saved people because there were some type of roots? NO.
The seed that fell on rocky ground was said to have "no root." (Matthew 13:6; 13:21; Mark 4:6; 4:17; Luke 8:13). He said there definitely are roots in the shallow soil and in the soil overrun with weeds. Is he correct about the rocky ground according to Matthew 13:6; 13:21; Mark 4:6; 4:17; Luke 8:13? Even if he could make a case for there being roots in the thorny soil, it doesn't really matter because it's not rooted in a regenerate heart and produces NO FRUIT, unlike the good soil.
Fruitless faith is dead faith and you refuse to agree with that for the sake of your biased doctrine.
In the context of Matthew 15:13, when Jesus was discussing the scribes and Pharisees, He said, "Every plant that My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted/pulled up by the roots." Does that mean these plants represent saved people because there were some type of roots? NO.
The seed that fell on rocky ground was said to have "no root." (Matthew 13:6; 13:21; Mark 4:6; 4:17; Luke 8:13). He said there definitely are roots in the shallow soil and in the soil overrun with weeds. Is he correct about the rocky ground according to Matthew 13:6; 13:21; Mark 4:6; 4:17; Luke 8:13? Even if he could make a case for there being roots in the thorny soil, it doesn't really matter because it's not rooted in a regenerate heart and produces NO FRUIT, unlike the good soil.
Fruitless faith is dead faith and you refuse to agree with that for the sake of your biased doctrine.
Fruit absolutely matters (Matthew 7:15-20).
You don't think it matters?
You are missing the point of the parable of the fig tree. Jesus told this parable after reminding His listeners of a tower over the pool of Siloam which unexpectedly fell and people were killed. In Luke 13:3, we see the moral of the story is, "unless you repent, you will likewise perish." To reiterate this moral, Jesus tells the story of the fig tree.
The fig tree has clear symbolic significance of the nation of Israel. The vineyard owner expresses his disappointment at the fruitless tree. He has looked for fruit from this tree for three years, but has found none. This three year time period is significant because for three years John the Baptist and Jesus had been preaching the message of repentance throughout Israel, but the fruits of repentance were not found from Israel as a whole.
John the Baptist warned the people about the Messiah coming and told them to bring forth/bear fruits worthy of repentance because the ax was already laid at the root of the tree (Luke 3:8-9). But the nation of Israel had rejected their Messiah and had Him crucified.
In the parable, the vineyard owner grants another year to the tree. In the same way, God in His mercy may grant us another day, month, year, but if there is no fruit of repentance, His patience will eventually reach an end, and the fruitless, unrepentant individual will be cut down.
You don't think it matters?
You are missing the point of the parable of the fig tree. Jesus told this parable after reminding His listeners of a tower over the pool of Siloam which unexpectedly fell and people were killed. In Luke 13:3, we see the moral of the story is, "unless you repent, you will likewise perish." To reiterate this moral, Jesus tells the story of the fig tree.
The fig tree has clear symbolic significance of the nation of Israel. The vineyard owner expresses his disappointment at the fruitless tree. He has looked for fruit from this tree for three years, but has found none. This three year time period is significant because for three years John the Baptist and Jesus had been preaching the message of repentance throughout Israel, but the fruits of repentance were not found from Israel as a whole.
John the Baptist warned the people about the Messiah coming and told them to bring forth/bear fruits worthy of repentance because the ax was already laid at the root of the tree (Luke 3:8-9). But the nation of Israel had rejected their Messiah and had Him crucified.
In the parable, the vineyard owner grants another year to the tree. In the same way, God in His mercy may grant us another day, month, year, but if there is no fruit of repentance, His patience will eventually reach an end, and the fruitless, unrepentant individual will be cut down.
