Does God Sever Fellowship With Us When We Sin?
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We fellowship only when we walk in the light as Jesus walks in the light.
That is, that fellowship with God is based on faith in God. Sin casts down faith unless a man keeps faith. To keep faith a man is required to do as the Spirit leads. So, if a man’s conscience condemns him then he must deal with the condemnation by faithfulness to what is written of God.
Does this mean a man struggles continuously? I think that will be the case until a man becomes steadfast in their faith in Jesus. Until they become steadfast they are doomed to their faltering faith and all its consequences.
Nevertheless, a man is saved by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus. So, a man cast down by sin has trouble for sure. But all is not lost if he keep faith with Jesus.
That is, that fellowship with God is based on faith in God. Sin casts down faith unless a man keeps faith. To keep faith a man is required to do as the Spirit leads. So, if a man’s conscience condemns him then he must deal with the condemnation by faithfulness to what is written of God.
Does this mean a man struggles continuously? I think that will be the case until a man becomes steadfast in their faith in Jesus. Until they become steadfast they are doomed to their faltering faith and all its consequences.
Nevertheless, a man is saved by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus. So, a man cast down by sin has trouble for sure. But all is not lost if he keep faith with Jesus.
Believers are unrighteous by nature, but they do not live in sin. They live in the awareness that they are unrighteous, yet are clothed with righteousness, and repent and acknowledge sin when they commit it.
I didn't say ignore ⬆. Discuss! Maybe use some contextual Scripture to support your assertions. Romans 5 and 1 Cor. 5 clearly contradict what you say above, and not one Scripture comes to mind that says that believers are unrighteous.
I said to ignore or report ⬇. What you say below IS baiting, and is an attempt to do what you accuse me of doing: stir up trouble to shut down amicable discussion.
It should sound completely backwards to those who've been indoctrinated in hyper-grace doctrine.
-JGIG
I look at it in light of James 1:14-15:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
When we sin, we are first "drawn away" ... we are lured away from the Lord.
Something grabs our attention ... then we turn our head ... then we step away.
We are tempted, then drawn away, then enticed.
Now if we could just learn to hold fast to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ when we are tempted. James 4:7-8 tells us to resist the devil, and he will flee from you ... draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
When we sin, we are first "drawn away" ... we are lured away from the Lord.
Something grabs our attention ... then we turn our head ... then we step away.
We are tempted, then drawn away, then enticed.
Now if we could just learn to hold fast to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ when we are tempted. James 4:7-8 tells us to resist the devil, and he will flee from you ... draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
Believers are unrighteous by nature, but they do not live in sin. They live in the awareness that they are unrighteous, yet are clothed with righteousness, and repent and acknowledge sin when they commit it.
I didn't say ignore ⬆. Discuss! Maybe use some contextual Scripture to support your assertions. Romans 5 and 1 Cor. 5 clearly contradict what you say above, and not one Scripture comes to mind that says that believers are unrighteous.
I said to ignore or report ⬇. What you say below IS baiting, and is an attempt to do what you accuse me of doing: stir up trouble to shut down amicable discussion.
It should sound completely backwards to those who've been indoctrinated in hyper-grace doctrine.
-JGIG
Thank you. You beautifully made my point.
-JGIG
In my first posts in this thread I didn't answer the OP's question -- I just said: "I feel distanced from God when I sin". I feel what I feel and it doesn't have to be biblically correct. My personal opinion is that this emotion (guilt) is in line with Psalm 111:10 (Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom). I can't imagine a true Christian feeling great after cheating on their spouse, for example.
As for the OP's question (Does God sever fellowship with us when we sin?), I think it depends on the type of sin involved, circumstances and recurrence. Committing adultery, for example, is very different from telling a white lie. Adulterers will not enter heaven, i.e., they are cut off from the fellowship with God.
As for the OP's question (Does God sever fellowship with us when we sin?), I think it depends on the type of sin involved, circumstances and recurrence. Committing adultery, for example, is very different from telling a white lie. Adulterers will not enter heaven, i.e., they are cut off from the fellowship with God.
So telling a lie is ok?
1 Timothy 1:3-11
No Other Doctrine
3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
1 Timothy 1:3-11
No Other Doctrine
3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
Yes, but not with false accusations. If she has a different opinion she's free to express it, but she doesn't have the right to bear false witness against me to try to stir up trouble. This is how it's done, in case you don't know.
- Stir up trouble (e.g, that's bullying/baiting/etc!)
- Blame it on someone else
- Offer a solution