Faith and Deeds
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If he hadn't been obedient to what he was told he would have demonstrated a lack of faith, yet that was not the case and Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. That is the ROOT of the issue. Lack of faith - cause. Lack of obedience - effect. I understand the obvious facts. You are confusing cause with effect.
When Jesus was answering the question, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?" in John 6:28 by saying this is the work of God that you believe.. (verse 29) He was not teaching that faith is just another work in a series of works in a quest to receive salvation by works. Notice that Paul makes a DISTINCTION between faith AND works in Ephesians 2:8,9 - "..saved through faith, not works." If faith IS works then why the distinction?
Yes, he obeyed "out of" faith. If he hadn't obeyed, then he would have demonstrated a lack of faith. Faith alone "in that sense" would not have saved him because it would not have been authentic faith, as we read in James 2:14. That is the heart of the issue. What kind of faith tells God, "I don't believe you when you say that you are going to cause it to rain for 40 days and 40 nights and flood the earth, so I refuse to build the ark?" DEAD faith.
I'm not saying this, Scripture points the way. If you are a Jew enduring through the tribulation, James becomes a vital book to study and live by.
James 2:14-24 takes us back to the OT times where a man lived by his own individual faith. The faith of Jesus Christ was not available to him yet.
Galatians 3
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
That faith is the faith of Jesus Christ. The faith of Jesus Christ is God's righteousness revealed to man. Christ's faith justifies the believer. Because the faith of Christ was spotless, He could be the innocent Lamb of God sacrificed in our place.
James 2:14-24 takes us back to the OT times where a man lived by his own individual faith. The faith of Jesus Christ was not available to him yet.
Galatians 3
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
That faith is the faith of Jesus Christ. The faith of Jesus Christ is God's righteousness revealed to man. Christ's faith justifies the believer. Because the faith of Christ was spotless, He could be the innocent Lamb of God sacrificed in our place.
So why all the talk about "claims to have faith but has no works; faith without works is dead; justified by works?" Are you saying this only implies to the Jews in the OT? 
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
The righteousness of God is found through the faith of Jesus Christ!
Romans 3 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
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1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Isn't this the same promise He gave to everyone? "Obey Me, trust in me, Listen and Do what I say, And I will Bless thee beyond your wildest dreams.
How can you preach that Abraham didn't have this promise from the very beginning?
It wasn't until Abram listened and obeyed that God tested his Faith regarding his son. No amount of wrangling can change this Biblical Fact MMD. As the Word which became Flesh said, that you refused to even acknowledge;
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
These are "WORKS" that show we have Faith, that show our choice to "deny our self" and follow Him and His instructions, not the religious traditions of man.
How can Abraham be righteous at 75 years of living outside of God's instructions? He couldn't be righteous, he had sin all over him. So for him to become righteous, something had to be done with his sin.
Did he take a goat to the nearest Levite Priest as was commanded by Moses? No!! That "law" was not given until 430 years later. Levi wasn't even born yet. So how was his sin forgiven? Was it not by Grace "Through his Faith"? Are the demons forgiven? They "believe"!!! No, they believe but they don't have Faith. Faith "REQUIRES" action, belief does not. Abraham didn't just believe, he obeyed. This action changed his belief to Faith, which is necessary for Grace.
I know you guys preach against this. I know your religion doesn't believe this. But the Bible confirms this teaching.
Yes, the catholic have created their own "works" for salvation just like the Pharisees did as Jesus said.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Christmas, Sunday Worship, Lent, Halloween, Good Friday, Long haired images of God, all the Work's of the Catholic church and her many, many daughters.
You are right to expose them as not coming from the Word which became Flesh.
It is very deceptive how you mixed the religious traditions of the Catholics along with the commandments of God. Very tricky and deceptive MMD.
Abraham didn't continue in the religious traditions of his fathers, he was told to leave them. He did, however, obey God's instructions without creating his own.
God said Abraham was blessed "BECAUSE" He honored Him with obedience. This obedience was called FAITH in Heb. 11.
I have noticed that only those religious people who traditions cause them to transgress God's Commandments, argue with what seems like such a simple and Biblical truth about Abraham.
It is the Bible that teaches Faith without works is dead. I know you can't accept this. I wish you could.
First you said Abraham was saved without any works. Which the Bible exposes as not accurate. Now you claim His Works of obedience from the very beginning don't count because God hadn't promised him anything yet. Well, as you can see, the Bible also shows this as not accurate.
I think it is wrong to assume anyone who isn't a catholic or one of her many daughters who mock her, but keep most of her religious traditions, is SDA or whatever you wish to tag them as.
I'm not a Catholic, nor am I a partaker of the many religious franchises she spawned, Baptist, AOG, Lutheran, Pentecostal, and on and on. I believe that any religious organization that "Transgress the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions" are no different than the Pharisees, who also claimed to be Children of Abraham.
Abraham wasn't justified by the Justification Laws given by Moses to the Levites 430 years after Abraham. He was justified by Faith. The Bible says Faith without "works" is dead. Abraham didn't just have any old religious works of the religions of the land. He left them, denied himself, took up his cross and "followed" the Word which became Flesh. He wasn't justified by "Works" of a Law "ADDED" 430 years later. He wasn't a "hearer" of God's Instructions but a "doer" of God's instructions. And it was this "action" that caused God to bless his Seed.
It's in your Bible, all you have to do is "believe it".
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
You have to preach this MMD. You have to separate obedience from Faith, not because of the Bibles teaching, but because of your religious traditions.
Abraham Followed God's instructions and it was called faith. He believed in God, but so do demons disguised as ministers of righteousness. What separated Abraham from the demons was his obedience to God, not religious man'. What separated Jesus from the others who were murdered on the same day was obedience to God, not religious man.
The common denominator in EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE OF FAITH ever shown in the Bible, was obedience to God, not man.
No amount of ignoring, omitting, twisting, scripture can change this Biblical Fact. Nothing Paul says preaches against this.
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Rejecting God's Commandments to serve religious traditions of man are not "Works" worthy of repentance. We should strive to have "The Faith of Abraham", not just hear them.
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Isn't this the same promise He gave to everyone? "Obey Me, trust in me, Listen and Do what I say, And I will Bless thee beyond your wildest dreams.
How can you preach that Abraham didn't have this promise from the very beginning?
It wasn't until Abram listened and obeyed that God tested his Faith regarding his son. No amount of wrangling can change this Biblical Fact MMD. As the Word which became Flesh said, that you refused to even acknowledge;
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
These are "WORKS" that show we have Faith, that show our choice to "deny our self" and follow Him and His instructions, not the religious traditions of man.
How can Abraham be righteous at 75 years of living outside of God's instructions? He couldn't be righteous, he had sin all over him. So for him to become righteous, something had to be done with his sin.
Did he take a goat to the nearest Levite Priest as was commanded by Moses? No!! That "law" was not given until 430 years later. Levi wasn't even born yet. So how was his sin forgiven? Was it not by Grace "Through his Faith"? Are the demons forgiven? They "believe"!!! No, they believe but they don't have Faith. Faith "REQUIRES" action, belief does not. Abraham didn't just believe, he obeyed. This action changed his belief to Faith, which is necessary for Grace.
I know you guys preach against this. I know your religion doesn't believe this. But the Bible confirms this teaching.
Yes, the catholic have created their own "works" for salvation just like the Pharisees did as Jesus said.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Christmas, Sunday Worship, Lent, Halloween, Good Friday, Long haired images of God, all the Work's of the Catholic church and her many, many daughters.
You are right to expose them as not coming from the Word which became Flesh.
It is very deceptive how you mixed the religious traditions of the Catholics along with the commandments of God. Very tricky and deceptive MMD.
Abraham didn't continue in the religious traditions of his fathers, he was told to leave them. He did, however, obey God's instructions without creating his own.
God said Abraham was blessed "BECAUSE" He honored Him with obedience. This obedience was called FAITH in Heb. 11.
I have noticed that only those religious people who traditions cause them to transgress God's Commandments, argue with what seems like such a simple and Biblical truth about Abraham.
It is the Bible that teaches Faith without works is dead. I know you can't accept this. I wish you could.
First you said Abraham was saved without any works. Which the Bible exposes as not accurate. Now you claim His Works of obedience from the very beginning don't count because God hadn't promised him anything yet. Well, as you can see, the Bible also shows this as not accurate.
I think it is wrong to assume anyone who isn't a catholic or one of her many daughters who mock her, but keep most of her religious traditions, is SDA or whatever you wish to tag them as.
I'm not a Catholic, nor am I a partaker of the many religious franchises she spawned, Baptist, AOG, Lutheran, Pentecostal, and on and on. I believe that any religious organization that "Transgress the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions" are no different than the Pharisees, who also claimed to be Children of Abraham.
Abraham wasn't justified by the Justification Laws given by Moses to the Levites 430 years after Abraham. He was justified by Faith. The Bible says Faith without "works" is dead. Abraham didn't just have any old religious works of the religions of the land. He left them, denied himself, took up his cross and "followed" the Word which became Flesh. He wasn't justified by "Works" of a Law "ADDED" 430 years later. He wasn't a "hearer" of God's Instructions but a "doer" of God's instructions. And it was this "action" that caused God to bless his Seed.
It's in your Bible, all you have to do is "believe it".
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
You have to preach this MMD. You have to separate obedience from Faith, not because of the Bibles teaching, but because of your religious traditions.
Abraham Followed God's instructions and it was called faith. He believed in God, but so do demons disguised as ministers of righteousness. What separated Abraham from the demons was his obedience to God, not religious man'. What separated Jesus from the others who were murdered on the same day was obedience to God, not religious man.
The common denominator in EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE OF FAITH ever shown in the Bible, was obedience to God, not man.
No amount of ignoring, omitting, twisting, scripture can change this Biblical Fact. Nothing Paul says preaches against this.
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Rejecting God's Commandments to serve religious traditions of man are not "Works" worthy of repentance. We should strive to have "The Faith of Abraham", not just hear them.
E
Would he have not been saved becase he disobeyed, or because he lacked faith.
in fact, if abraham did not believe, would god have even asked him to get circucised as a sign or pledge? I suggest no, and in fact, that we would not even have heard of him. The name abraham would just be another name, not the father of many nations.
Some peop l focus too much on works (self). The need to get off this thinking.
E
No paul did not, he did not say grace theough faith not wrks of the law, he said works, he said in romans 4, that if abraham was found by works, nhe did not say works of the law, and in tiitus, he said not by works of righteousness, he did not say by works of law.
In eph, paul said a work is something yu can boast of, in romans he said work is something you can boast, or done to earn a wage. Hat is the defenition of work. If your workingto earn or maintain salvation, your going against paul because your tryi g to earn the wage (salvation) by working fr it, thus you can boast of saving yourself,