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Flying is easy, its the crashing that people fear. :) And it will build your confidence after a few flights, a beautiful way to travel the friendly skies. See nothing to fear my friend.
I love flying.....like 340,000 miles in the last 3-4 years..............
 

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I love flying.....like 340,000 miles in the last 3-4 years..............
I love flying too and probably have flown at least 50 or 60 flights but nowhere near the miles that you have. That's the equivalent of flying to the moon and 3/4 of the way back to earth.
 
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I love flying too and probably have flown at least 50 or 60 flights but nowhere near the miles that you have. That's the equivalent of flying to the moon and 3/4 of the way back to earth.
HAHAH amen...17 trips or so to AU and back and numerous flights to Cali and back.....
 

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You guys are traveled but nothing like me. I was in field service for EMR Telemetry for 30 years. If I wasn't traveling I was idle. Usually went to 2 or 3 cities in the USA a week with many trips outside the USA. Went to all but 5 states and every continent except Antarctica. Telemetry equipment is used to monitor vehicles and other equipment at a distance. RF links are almost always used, hard wire only when monitoring a unit that does not move. Went to military bases for working on vehicles being tested in the last stages of testing before production. The Abrams tank, F 22, etc. For testing tanks they had 2 prototypes with different features that were being tested for acceptance on the tanks. Our internal equipment was mounted inside the turret. Never accessed the F22 but worked on the receiving equipment. There were several streams of data from it. Monitored the the fly by wire buss as well as sensors mounted all over the plane to test stress etc. on the plane. Had to have special clearances on these projects. The code name for the F22 development was classified but the fool creating the property stickers put the name on them. That meant uncleared persons visiting caused work stoppage with the equipment covered.

Was involved with the NASA wind turbine equipment. Wind and solar power generation will only ever be a sliver of energy production because of locations required. We also made weather monitoring systems that took the data from satellites. Goes satellites send down a full globe picture of the earth ever half hour with a lot of other data embedded in the data stream. That is where the ictures you see on TV comes from. It. There originally 4 sent up positioned around the earth plus a spare to move into the location of a failed satellite. Other weather satellites are in a non stationary orbit.

Met and learned a lot from the scientists, engineers, and techs working with our equipment. Had a great time doing it. My mother-in-law gave me a plaque saying when my ship came in I would be at the airport. Great person for an in-law.
 
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Amen! You don't baptize lost unbelievers in order to make them saved disciples, but because they are saved disciples.
Amazing how many people do not understand this simple principle........immersion = a picture and public testimony of something that has already taken place by faith...........nothing more, nothing less.....
 

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Amazing how many people do not understand this simple principle........immersion = a picture and public testimony of something that has already taken place by faith...........nothing more, nothing less.....
Also the public pouring or sprinkling accomplishes the same thing. Remember that baptism mode is not in the Apostles Creed so it is an issue to agree to disagree on. Your attitude on these peripheral issues comes across as condemning. Keep it polite.
 
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Also the public pouring or sprinkling accomplishes the same thing. Remember that baptism mode is not in the Apostles Creed so it is an issue to agree to disagree on. Your attitude on these peripheral issues comes across as condemning. Keep it polite.
Pouring and sprinkling are not valid forms of IMMERSION....the word means to dip, immerse or plunge under....wake up and lose the Catholic twist.............
 

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Pouring and sprinkling are not valid forms of IMMERSION....the word means to dip, immerse or plunge under....wake up and lose the Catholic twist.............
It isn't in the creed so suck it up and agree to disagree. I posted how it came about. There is more than one possible root word. Washing feet doesn't involve immersion..
 
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It isn't in the creed so suck it up and agree to disagree. I posted how it came about. There is more than one possible root word. Washing feet doesn't involve immersion..
Wrong again.....the word means to immerse, dip or plunge under.....sprinkling and pouring are not valid forms of baptism (immersion).....like I said before....was JESUS dumped on the ground with a handful of dirt sprinkled over him or SEALED in a TOMB.....?

IF a form of so called baptism does not represent being SEALED in a tomb or BURIED under the dirt it is not a VALID FORM....get that through your hard head.......

Baptize, Baptism = IMMERSION UNDER the WATER!
 

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Wrong again.....the word means to immerse, dip or plunge under.....sprinkling and pouring are not valid forms of baptism (immersion).....like I said before....was JESUS dumped on the ground with a handful of dirt sprinkled over him or SEALED in a TOMB.....?

IF a form of so called baptism does not represent being SEALED in a tomb or BURIED under the dirt it is not a VALID FORM....get that through your hard head.......

Baptize, Baptism = IMMERSION UNDER the WATER!
Suck it up and recognize all you do with this tirade is antagonize others and make them angry!! Me for one.!!!
 
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Suck it up and recognize all you do with this tirade is antagonize others and make them angry!! Me for one.!!!
Yeah, just like the Pharisees did when hammered with the truth by Jesus and Stephen........those in error usually respond in anger to the truth.....!

Immersion is the ONLY VALID FORM and the reason you cannot accept the truth is because your religion sprinkles/pours
 

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Wrong again.....the word means to immerse, dip or plunge under.....sprinkling and pouring are not valid forms of baptism (immersion).....like I said before....was JESUS dumped on the ground with a handful of dirt sprinkled over him or SEALED in a TOMB.....?
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IF a form of so called baptism does not represent being SEALED in a tomb or BURIED under the dirt it is not a VALID FORM....get that through your hard head.......

Baptize, Baptism = IMMERSION UNDER the WATER!
​Suck it up and agree to disagree. All you do with this tirade is anger others including me. I posted multiple times to you I did research years ago and there was more than 1 possible root word. 1 was washing feet, feet are not immersed but a cloth is dipped inin water and then the feet are washed with that!!! No immersion of thethe feet!!!

Deliberately leaving the errors I have to fix normally. I keep asking the Admin to fix it. Hopefully the upgrade will fix it
 
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Wrong again.....the word means to immerse, dip or plunge under.....sprinkling and pouring are not valid forms of baptism (immersion).....like I said before....was JESUS dumped on the ground with a handful of dirt sprinkled over him or SEALED in a TOMB.....?

IF a form of so called baptism does not represent being SEALED in a tomb or BURIED under the dirt it is not a VALID FORM....get that through your hard head.......

Baptize, Baptism = IMMERSION UNDER the WATER!
Not that I want to make the following that baptism saves (cause it don't) but I'm gonna give my experience.

I placed my faith in Jesus or should I say he placed his faith in me?

Anyway at the time I was going to an Anglican Church. I was told that I should be baptised.
So I was, but it was with sprinkling of water.

Before I was sprinkled I was ask "Do you believe in Jesus, who died and rose again for your sin and havev you placed your faith in him. Have you made him your Lord and Saviour?

Then I was sprinkled.

Forward 2 years later I ended up in a Baptist church.

I can't fully remember why and how the following arose but I think it was when I wanted to become a member of the church.

I was asked if I had been baptised. I said yes and was then asked by what mode.

When I told them I was then told I was not baptised and I needed to be fully immersed.

So I had to make the same confession of faith and then was fully immersed.

To be honest I was totally confused and felt my first confession of my faith in Jesus was not valid.

I'm sure I'm not the first to experience this or will be the last.

What do others think about this, my experience and others like me if they came to your church where baptism is only immersion?
 

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It isn't in the creed so suck it up and agree to disagree. I posted how it came about. There is more than one possible root word. Washing feet doesn't involve immersion..
Why does this Apostle's Creed mean so much to you? By AD 390, the Catholic Church had already hijacked Christianity and instilled all it's false doctrines. This hijacking was accomplished at the Nicean Council in AD 325.

 
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​Suck it up and agree to disagree. All you do with this tirade is anger others including me. I posted multiple times to you I did research years ago and there was more than 1 possible root word. 1 was washing feet, feet are not immersed but a cloth is dipped inin water and then the feet are washed with that!!! No immersion of thethe feet!!!

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Blah, blah, blah......Baptism (the sacrament used in the bible) is IMMERSION....end of story....was JESUS chunked on the ground with a handful of dirt or SEALED in a tomb?

Which form best pictures being sealed in a tomb or put under the ground?

NOT pouring or sprinkling.....

BAPTISM is IMMERSION...get over it and admit your error.....simple procedure to get right......
 
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Not that I want to make the following that baptism saves (cause it don't) but I'm gonna give my experience.

I placed my faith in Jesus or should I say he placed his faith in me?

Anyway at the time I was going to an Anglican Church. I was told that I should be baptised.
So I was, but it was with sprinkling of water.

Before I was sprinkled I was ask "Do you believe in Jesus, who died and rose again for your sin and havev you placed your faith in him. Have you made him your Lord and Saviour?

Then I was sprinkled.

Forward 2 years later I ended up in a Baptist church.

I can't fully remember why and how the following arose but I think it was when I wanted to become a member of the church.

I was asked if I had been baptised. I said yes and was then asked by what mode.

When I told them I was then told I was not baptised and I needed to be fully immersed.

So I had to make the same confession of faith and then was fully immersed.

To be honest I was totally confused and felt my first confession of my faith in Jesus was not valid.

I'm sure I'm not the first to experience this or will be the last.

What do others think about this, my experience and others like me if they came to your church where baptism is only immersion?
Seeing how immersion (baptism) does not save, but rather is a picture of salvation (dead, buried and risen with Christ) it had nothing to do with your confession of Christ......and to be honest....I was raised in church that had the mentality of raise your hand if you want to be saved and then repeat after me....then they take you before the assembly and immerse you....I was not saved at that time and came to the truth later in life...then after an intensive study on immersion realized by baptism was invalid because it had taken place before I was actually saved....after a period of conviction I was immersed again and have never looked back or had any conviction at all concerning my immersion since then concerning it's validity....
 
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Why does this Apostle's Creed mean so much to you? By AD 390, the Catholic Church had already hijacked Christianity and instilled all it's false doctrines. This hijacking was accomplished at the Nicean Council in AD 325.

AMEN........................when one goes outside the scriptures as the rule of faith and practice........they come up with all sorts of falsehoods and erroneous practices......
 

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Not that I want to make the following that baptism saves (cause it don't) but I'm gonna give my experience.

I placed my faith in Jesus or should I say he placed his faith in me?

Anyway at the time I was going to an Anglican Church. I was told that I should be baptised.
So I was, but it was with sprinkling of water.

Before I was sprinkled I was ask "Do you believe in Jesus, who died and rose again for your sin and havev you placed your faith in him. Have you made him your Lord and Saviour?

Then I was sprinkled.

Forward 2 years later I ended up in a Baptist church.

I can't fully remember why and how the following arose but I think it was when I wanted to become a member of the church.

I was asked if I had been baptised. I said yes and was then asked by what mode.

When I told them I was then told I was not baptised and I needed to be fully immersed.

So I had to make the same confession of faith and then was fully immersed.

To be honest I was totally confused and felt my first confession of my faith in Jesus was not valid.

I'm sure I'm not the first to experience this or will be the last.

What do others think about this, my experience and others like me if they came to your church where baptism is only immersion?
You did the right thing. What is baptism, but an act of obedience after receiving salvation. I was baptised three times before I was happy with it. Even if you are satisfied, but your new church isn't go ahead and do it. It won't hurt anything and they will feel better.

 

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Not that I want to make the following that baptism saves (cause it don't) but I'm gonna give my experience.

I placed my faith in Jesus or should I say he placed his faith in me?

Anyway at the time I was going to an Anglican Church. I was told that I should be baptised.
So I was, but it was with sprinkling of water.

Before I was sprinkled I was ask "Do you believe in Jesus, who died and rose again for your sin and havev you placed your faith in him. Have you made him your Lord and Saviour?

Then I was sprinkled.

Forward 2 years later I ended up in a Baptist church.

I can't fully remember why and how the following arose but I think it was when I wanted to become a member of the church.

I was asked if I had been baptised. I said yes and was then asked by what mode.

When I told them I was then told I was not baptised and I needed to be fully immersed.

So I had to make the same confession of faith and then was fully immersed.

To be honest I was totally confused and felt my first confession of my faith in Jesus was not valid.

I'm sure I'm not the first to experience this or will be the last.

What do others think about this, my experience and others like me if they came to your church where baptism is only immersion?
I was baptized by immersion 3 times because the church I attended at the time didn't accept the previous churches baptism as valid. It made me angry after I was an adult and started attending a church when I moved to a city 50 miles away because I started working. That new church accepted my baptism and apologized for the extra 2 baptisms I received. I later after years became a deacon. Moved because my company moved me and started at a church of the same denomination and a few years later became an elder. Then my company after 9 years moved me back to my former city. Again went a very similar denominations and was made elder after being there for a few years. Haven't moved since. Each successive church recognized my baptism and offices held. I was in the greater pool of officers until I was made an elder again in that church. Thankfully I haven't moved since. With the one denomination being accepting and the other rejecting I stayed with the accepting one ever since.
 

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Why does this Apostle's Creed mean so much to you? By AD 390, the Catholic Church had already hijacked Christianity and instilled all it's false doctrines. This hijacking was accomplished at the Nicean Council in AD 325.

The Catholic Church wasn't really created until first Constantine allowed Christianity to be legal and the following emperor made it the only religion allowed. That's when the Catholic Church was created. Before that it was just the church hiding in the shadows to avoid being killed in the arena.