When is it gonna be enough?
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I am not a US resident. And I may get attacked for that.
But I do know accessibility increases risk of abuse. If you wear a gun, is simply a higher risk that you will use one than if you don't. If you have a gun unlocked in your home, and you loose your temper, the treshold of using the gun is lower than if it was locked in. A locked in gun is more accessible to use than no gun. Either by the gunowner, his wife, his kids or a burglar.
The same goes with drugs and alcohol. The less accessibility, the less abuse.
If restrictive gun policy can save one person, it is worth it.
But I do know accessibility increases risk of abuse. If you wear a gun, is simply a higher risk that you will use one than if you don't. If you have a gun unlocked in your home, and you loose your temper, the treshold of using the gun is lower than if it was locked in. A locked in gun is more accessible to use than no gun. Either by the gunowner, his wife, his kids or a burglar.
The same goes with drugs and alcohol. The less accessibility, the less abuse.
If restrictive gun policy can save one person, it is worth it.
Look....I am a Marine from the 80's, I went to school with a rifle or two in my back glass on a gun rack, as did most guys in the school I went to, we all carried buck knives on our hips, all my friends and family own weapons and I am saying that the weapons are not the issue....INTENT, MOTIVE, NO MORALITY, NO VALUE of LIFE, SIN NATURE, HUMAN NATURE, SOCIETY, THE WAY KIDS ARE RAISED etc......
NOTHING with change until the above changes......that is the truth
NOTHING with change until the above changes......that is the truth
The past was not all love and roses. The prohibition era brought in loads of organized crime and sent this country into an economic depression. WWII meant that a lot of kids had to grow up without fathers, not unlike now. People of color were terrorized by people like the KKK simply for not being white.
Again, not disagreeing with you. But I know my history. Every generation has something awful to deal with.
Again, not disagreeing with you. But I know my history. Every generation has something awful to deal with.
By that logic, that "risk of abuse'" is our criteria for restricting access to a thing...
we would be morally compelled to restrict access to ALL things which could be abused, or cause harm.
Toinena, I like you very much,
but if instead of being a nice Christian girl,
you were a nasty home invader...
I could kill you with a coffee mug.
Clearly, accessibility to coffee mugs is also a moral dilemma.
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I am not sure if you said this to me or someone else, and I agree. I didn't address the safety of the kids at schools, the suffering the victims families go through, the terror the teachers experienced, the burden the schooladministration is carrying. It is insane, and it should never happen.
We can work with good intentions at schools, trying to promote a good and inclusive school environment. That might prevent the loners to nuture their bitterness and hate.
We can make guns less accessible.
We can make security measures, putting in metal detectors at schoolgates, armed guards or panic buttons in every classroom.
But a watertight system will never excist. You can build a gun in a 3D printer in plastic.... and it would pass the metaldetectors.
Most of all, I want to pray for the victims and their families.
We can work with good intentions at schools, trying to promote a good and inclusive school environment. That might prevent the loners to nuture their bitterness and hate.
We can make guns less accessible.
We can make security measures, putting in metal detectors at schoolgates, armed guards or panic buttons in every classroom.
But a watertight system will never excist. You can build a gun in a 3D printer in plastic.... and it would pass the metaldetectors.
Most of all, I want to pray for the victims and their families.
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https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/safest-countries-in-the-world.html
I didn't see US on top of the list. Scandinavia on the other hand....
I didn't see US on top of the list. Scandinavia on the other hand....
Okay.
Why? Kaylagirl is showing some level of care for the teen activists. She could write them off in much worse ways. I disagree with her on some finer points here, but I appreciate her sense of charity.
Who wants these things to happen?
Nobody thinks any of these potentialities as good. Who are you arguing against?
The primary blame rests with the murderer himself. I think it's important to not lose sight of that.
I happen to agree. The notion the school must be protected by a class of professional protectors is inadequate. Targets hardened in that way are rigid. If attend the school, you can take note of the protective gaps especially if you intend to do nothing. Imagine what those who have a diabolical imagination see?
It only really works well if you anticipate randos. School murderers are not randos.
Practicalities aside, the facts are known to all and are equally troubling. The question really is what can be done to put a damper on these and hold them up against potential tradeoffs.
Since you didn't close the quotation, I don't know where he ends and you begin.
Needless to say, I'm moved by his sadness. I cannot imagine the place he's in. But he automatically foreclosed on the idea that thoughts can be had and shared in regard to this issue. Perhaps he's reacting to feelings, but as a sworn protector of the law, he ought to be more careful.
Your zeal is admirable. But wouldn't it be wise to take stock of the present and contemplate the effect of one policy over another. Perhaps learn more about the situation?
From where do you receive the Lord's instruction? How?
Again, it's interesting that you too have foreclosed on the possibility of thought.
What kind of hatred? From what quarter? How are people of faith accepting it?
Assuming this hatred among evangelicals is real, what would it have to do with school shootings and ho could it be addressed in a neatly-tied "solution"?
What do you expect them to do?
It goes back to Kaylagirl. At least they are expressing sympathy and charity even if it is banal.
Some are brave though. After the dust clears, they propose ways violence can be prevented and restrained. Their strategy differs from yours in that they differ in expectation.
Some are cowards though and they'll go where the wind blows rather than take a reasoned stand. On this we agree though my wishes/expectations differ dramatically from yours.
I hope you are being genuine rather than formal. Regardless, I wish you the same. The God of peace be with you.
Why? Kaylagirl is showing some level of care for the teen activists. She could write them off in much worse ways. I disagree with her on some finer points here, but I appreciate her sense of charity.
Who wants these things to happen?
Nobody thinks any of these potentialities as good. Who are you arguing against?
The primary blame rests with the murderer himself. I think it's important to not lose sight of that.
I happen to agree. The notion the school must be protected by a class of professional protectors is inadequate. Targets hardened in that way are rigid. If attend the school, you can take note of the protective gaps especially if you intend to do nothing. Imagine what those who have a diabolical imagination see?
It only really works well if you anticipate randos. School murderers are not randos.
Practicalities aside, the facts are known to all and are equally troubling. The question really is what can be done to put a damper on these and hold them up against potential tradeoffs.
Since you didn't close the quotation, I don't know where he ends and you begin.
Needless to say, I'm moved by his sadness. I cannot imagine the place he's in. But he automatically foreclosed on the idea that thoughts can be had and shared in regard to this issue. Perhaps he's reacting to feelings, but as a sworn protector of the law, he ought to be more careful.
Your zeal is admirable. But wouldn't it be wise to take stock of the present and contemplate the effect of one policy over another. Perhaps learn more about the situation?
From where do you receive the Lord's instruction? How?
Again, it's interesting that you too have foreclosed on the possibility of thought.
What kind of hatred? From what quarter? How are people of faith accepting it?
Assuming this hatred among evangelicals is real, what would it have to do with school shootings and ho could it be addressed in a neatly-tied "solution"?
What do you expect them to do?
It goes back to Kaylagirl. At least they are expressing sympathy and charity even if it is banal.
Some are brave though. After the dust clears, they propose ways violence can be prevented and restrained. Their strategy differs from yours in that they differ in expectation.
Some are cowards though and they'll go where the wind blows rather than take a reasoned stand. On this we agree though my wishes/expectations differ dramatically from yours.
I hope you are being genuine rather than formal. Regardless, I wish you the same. The God of peace be with you.