Not By Works
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jesus was not born again, wow, i mean really,?
to be born again jesus would first have to be dead, he was never dead (in sin)
he was baptised for the same reason areon and his sons were baptized by moses in the jordan river, to reveal to Isreal they were set apart by God to be priests of God, in Jesus case, our one nigh priest and redeemer, as he sacrificed himself.
you need to study more my friend
to be born again jesus would first have to be dead, he was never dead (in sin)
he was baptised for the same reason areon and his sons were baptized by moses in the jordan river, to reveal to Isreal they were set apart by God to be priests of God, in Jesus case, our one nigh priest and redeemer, as he sacrificed himself.
you need to study more my friend
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It will be revealed what works i did, when. My works are tried by fire, if my worked endured i will recieve good silver or precious stone
if it does not, it will be burnt as wood hey or stubble, but even then i will still be saved even as through,
your works will be considere bloddy rags, because your doing them to save yourself,
me, i am doing them to serve god. Because I AM SAVED.
if it does not, it will be burnt as wood hey or stubble, but even then i will still be saved even as through,
your works will be considere bloddy rags, because your doing them to save yourself,
me, i am doing them to serve god. Because I AM SAVED.
Do you think that there are Christians walking around today that believe they are saved, but really have not had the baptism of the HS?
Do you think there are a lot of Christians who are lying to themselves about their experience with the HS, and think they are saved?
I have experienced the baptism of the HS and I know what you are talking about, but I meet lots of Christians that declare that they are saved, but seem to have little love in their hearts and are not necessarily good people. So it makes me wonder where they are coming from.
Do you think there are a lot of Christians who are lying to themselves about their experience with the HS, and think they are saved?
I have experienced the baptism of the HS and I know what you are talking about, but I meet lots of Christians that declare that they are saved, but seem to have little love in their hearts and are not necessarily good people. So it makes me wonder where they are coming from.
You made a big deal of: go and find disciples (who are saved) and then baptize them. And you made the point that a disciple is saved before they are baptized. Matthew 28:19-20.
Then you quoted the 'followers' of Jesus who turned away from Jesus because of his 'bread of life' sermon. Most translation use the word 'disciples', that turned from Jesus because of his 'bread of life' sermon. (John 6:66)
My point was you use 'disciple' to make your point in Matthew 28, but do not use 'disciple' in John 6, and the reason is that those disciples left Jesus and did not believe in him any longer. Were they saved too like the disciples in Matthew 28? I don't think so.
IOW translations matter, you have just proved the point. You have just proved that you can prove anything with any 1 of many translation of the bible, depending on the translation you choose.
Then you quoted the 'followers' of Jesus who turned away from Jesus because of his 'bread of life' sermon. Most translation use the word 'disciples', that turned from Jesus because of his 'bread of life' sermon. (John 6:66)
My point was you use 'disciple' to make your point in Matthew 28, but do not use 'disciple' in John 6, and the reason is that those disciples left Jesus and did not believe in him any longer. Were they saved too like the disciples in Matthew 28? I don't think so.
IOW translations matter, you have just proved the point. You have just proved that you can prove anything with any 1 of many translation of the bible, depending on the translation you choose.
The Church is not One Body, in your mind
Yes the Christian Church is One, "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism." Eph.4:5. God will unite the true Church the Body of Christ and we will all meet together at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
2Peter2:9
"The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment."
Yes the Christian Church is One, "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism." Eph.4:5. God will unite the true Church the Body of Christ and we will all meet together at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
2Peter2:9
"The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment."
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Love and goodness is a state of being. A characteristic of a person who has walked with God, His Holy Spirit,
Do you know the difference between Martha and Mary?
Do you k ow the difference between focusing on good works and focusing on God?
For example, when my husband comes home from a long business trip he just wants me to sit down and spend time with him.....not rush around trying to "do" things for him but just be with him.
Maybe your love language is acts of love where you show your love for others by acts of service for them,
However you should recognize there is more than one way to show love.
Perhaps if you don't know them you should learn them?
God shows His love in so many ways. Its part of growing up and being mature in Christ to learn those ways and share them with others also.
You can't give what You never have taken the time to receive.
How do you feel and see God's love for you in your life?
Do you know the difference between Martha and Mary?
Do you k ow the difference between focusing on good works and focusing on God?
For example, when my husband comes home from a long business trip he just wants me to sit down and spend time with him.....not rush around trying to "do" things for him but just be with him.
Maybe your love language is acts of love where you show your love for others by acts of service for them,
However you should recognize there is more than one way to show love.
Perhaps if you don't know them you should learn them?
God shows His love in so many ways. Its part of growing up and being mature in Christ to learn those ways and share them with others also.
You can't give what You never have taken the time to receive.
How do you feel and see God's love for you in your life?
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There is only one path....being lead by the Holy spirit.
How the Holy spirit leads people are unique to the task God has for their lives. Just as the hands tasks is not the same as the mouth...one person's tasks is not the same in the Body of Christ.
Those who have the Holy spirit are united as One. God tells us that just because someone is different fronts,we can't declare them as not part of the Body of Christ. Only the Holy spirit presence in their lives tells them and is if they are members or not.
Those who think the baptism of the Holy Spirit can be faked, would not understand this concept, because they don't have that direct connection.
Some believers who are young and immature need help learning to pray and discern the Spirit in their life...sometimes people have false beliefs they need to tear down that blocks open communication, but God is powerful to save. All of God's children can through prayer approach His heavenly throne, enter the gates of the Holy heavenly city and speak with our Father. Even if many don't remember it upon waking in the morning, the sense of peace and love is still present in their hearts.
How the Holy spirit leads people are unique to the task God has for their lives. Just as the hands tasks is not the same as the mouth...one person's tasks is not the same in the Body of Christ.
Those who have the Holy spirit are united as One. God tells us that just because someone is different fronts,we can't declare them as not part of the Body of Christ. Only the Holy spirit presence in their lives tells them and is if they are members or not.
Those who think the baptism of the Holy Spirit can be faked, would not understand this concept, because they don't have that direct connection.
Some believers who are young and immature need help learning to pray and discern the Spirit in their life...sometimes people have false beliefs they need to tear down that blocks open communication, but God is powerful to save. All of God's children can through prayer approach His heavenly throne, enter the gates of the Holy heavenly city and speak with our Father. Even if many don't remember it upon waking in the morning, the sense of peace and love is still present in their hearts.