Deliverance Ministry - Questions

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vahn

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I am fresh and new to the teachings of this ministry, but still have my doubts.

As we get deeper into the deliverance process, we become more and more of who god created us to be, but Satan attacks us more. Which leaves me wondering if our emotions are supposed to get worse or better? I'm coming from the perspective of someone who was diagnosed with schizophrenia or any sort of mental illness. Yes, I do believe all mental illness and any other sickness is caused by demonic activity or generational curses. And I know there are handful of Christians that say otherwise.

Why are there so many Christians that are unaware of the deliverance ministry (in Jesus)? And why do they reject the belief that the root of everything is spiritual, not physical? I would think science still dominates people's beliefs on this topic, but I need some input on the matter and I think everyone else does too.
 
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Rissa77

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Many believe in the sovereignty of God. Which is true. He is sovereign. But it's like they think prayer doesn't work. And in preaching this so strongly, they inadvertently are saying that God isn't sovereign enough and His sacrifice on the cross wasn't powerful enough to set them free. They say they believe in the gift of healing, but that a person can't have that gift. That is confusing. So they see me lay hands on people who are healed when I pray, but it's not a gift? It's the person's imagination? God just randomly chose to heal them, and my hands nor my prayers nor the gift He gave me has anything to do with it? THAT I don't understand.

It's all about the blood of Jesus. Until they get this, they won't see much victory.
 
AliceOfLegend

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Okay I have some mental issues, bipolar is one of them.

is it because of sin i committed or because of demons?

No, one of the factors in bp and other mental illness are chemical imbalances.
 
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vahn

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AliceOfLegend said:
Okay I have some mental issues, bipolar is one of them.

is it because of sin i committed or because of demons?

No, one of the factors in bp and other mental illness are chemical imbalances.
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Did Jesus die on the cross for all of our sins or just some of them?

Chemical imbalances can only go so far as a vague argument. This is where people confuse sickness, sin and demons.

Is sickness of God?

Is sin of God?

Are demons of God?
 
AliceOfLegend

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Jesus died on the cross for our sins, all of them.

Chemical Imbalance is one of the contributing factors of bipolar disorder, along with other things.


God created Satan

Do you think that people who have heath issues are having those issues because of sins they have committed?
 
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vahn

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AliceOfLegend said:
Jesus died on the cross for our sins, all of them.

Chemical Imbalance is one of the contributing factors of bipolar disorder, along with other things.


God created Satan

Do you think that people who have heath issues are having those issues because of sins they have committed?
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There may not only be one reason why people are afflicted. Deliverance is a process and repentance is one of the steps.
 
AliceOfLegend

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The funny thing is, it seems since I accepted Christ and became a Christian that my bp has gotten worse... I've had people tell me that I'm demon possessed. or told "don't you think if you tried harder you'd feel better"
 
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vahn

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AliceOfLegend said:
The funny thing is, it seems since I accepted Christ and became a Christian that my bp has gotten worse... I've had people tell me that I'm demon possessed. or told "don't you think if you tried harder you'd feel better"
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Refer to one of my questions in the first post.
 
AliceOfLegend

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I looked at the questions, and I don't see anything about what i just said?

(forgive me if I over looked it, running on only a few hours sleep for the past few weeks.)
 
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vahn

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AliceOfLegend said:
The funny thing is, it seems since I accepted Christ and became a Christian that my bp has gotten worse...
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vahn said:
Which leaves me wondering if our emotions are supposed to get worse or better? I'm coming from the perspective of someone who was diagnosed with schizophrenia or any sort of mental illness.
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Not a problem. I presume the emotions are the hardest part of bp or any mental illness.
 
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Mulehide

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vahn said:
Did Jesus die on the cross for all of our sins or just some of them?

Chemical imbalances can only go so far as a vague argument. This is where people confuse sickness, sin and demons.

Is sickness of God?

Is sin of God?

Are demons of God?
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Is death of God?

To follow your argument to its logical conclusion would mean that anyone who dies is lacking in faith and would still be alive if only they got rid of the spiritual roots of all illness.
 
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vahn

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Mulehide said:
Is death of God?

To follow your argument to its logical conclusion would mean that anyone who dies is lacking in faith and would still be alive if only they got rid of the spiritual roots of all illness.
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Death is not of God. He is the life-giver.

Anyone who dies is lacking in faith? I'm not sure where my understanding fits in with that.

We all die in the end, and never have I said otherwise.

God didn't say, "Well I died for all your sins except for bipolar disorder"

Not only did he conquer death, but we are given life even after death.
 
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Mulehide

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vahn said:
Death is not of God. He is the life-giver.

Anyone who dies is lacking in faith? I'm not sure where my understanding fits in with that.

We all die in the end, and never have I said otherwise.

God didn't say, "Well I died for all your sins except for bipolar disorder"

Not only did he conquer death, but we are given life even after death.
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I guess what I'm saying is we never get sick. No one gets cancer. No gets an incurable terminal disease. Or is it only pschological?

While sometimes these have spiritual roots, such is not always the case. Even in the Bible such was not always the case. I think this is exactly why we have the story of the blind man who was healed for nothing other than the glory of God be shown.
 
AliceOfLegend

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vahn said:
Death is not of God. He is the life-giver.

Anyone who dies is lacking in faith? I'm not sure where my understanding fits in with that.

We all die in the end, and never have I said otherwise.

God didn't say, "Well I died for all your sins except for bipolar disorder"

Not only did he conquer death, but we are given life even after death.
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Your saying bipolar disorder is a sin? Don't know where your getting your info, but sorry my friend you are mistaken.
 
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vahn

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Mulehide said:
I guess what I'm saying is we never get sick. No one gets cancer. No gets an incurable terminal disease. Or is it only pschological?

While sometimes these have spiritual roots, such is not always the case. Even in the Bible such was not always the case. I think this is exactly why we have the story of the blind man who was healed for nothing other than the glory of God be shown.
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Physical, spiritual, emotional. A healing is in order. We can agree upon that.
 
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vahn

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AliceOfLegend said:
Your saying bipolar disorder is a sin? Don't know where your getting your info, but sorry my friend you are mistaken.
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You have to understand that bi-polar disorder doesn't come from God.

All sins means all curses, all demons, all past hurts, all sickness.
 
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Mulehide

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vahn said:
Physical, spiritual, emotional. A healing is in order. We can agree upon that.
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Yes, we do agree upon that.

I do not completely disagree with deliverance ministry. However, it often is presented in nearly the same way as a prosperity gospel, and that I definitely disagree with.

I do mean to attack and I apologize for coming across that way. This subject is just important to me. Not all sickness can be cured by getting rid of all sin in one's life. All sickness is result of sin in that it is a direct result of the fall, not necessarily someone's life now.
 
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vahn

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Sorry for triple post.

But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. Isaiah 53:5

My interpretation of sin is different when I use it in this context, I know.
 
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vahn

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Mulehide said:
Yes, we do agree upon that.

I do not completely disagree with deliverance ministry. However, it often is presented in nearly the same way as a prosperity gospel, and that I definitely disagree with.

I do mean to attack and I apologize for coming across that way. This subject is just important to me. Not all sickness can be cured by getting rid of all sin in one's life. All sickness is result of sin in that it is a direct result of the fall, not necessarily someone's life now.
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We will never be perfect in this life. But we can become more and more of who God created us to be.
 
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Rissa77

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Mulehide said:
I do not completely disagree with deliverance ministry. However, it often is presented in nearly the same way as a prosperity gospel, and that I definitely disagree with.

I do mean to attack and I apologize for coming across that way. This subject is just important to me. Not all sickness can be cured by getting rid of all sin in one's life. All sickness is result of sin in that it is a direct result of the fall, not necessarily someone's life now.
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Amen, Sister. We tend to have the same standing on things. Are you from my church? lol
 
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