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[50C1AL0N3]

Amen! Either we are trusting 100% in Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost, regardless of what denomination or non-denominational church that we attend.

I agree, for i haven't attended church in 7 years, and I feel the truth in that.
I'm focused on the ones who believe Christ was sent for an example. They believe he was the only son of God and was crucified for our sins, but they adhere to self discipline and not faith in Christ. Denominations are just labels. It's the heart that matter

 

[Locutus]

The wedding was in the 1st century AD, so looking for the "bride" is waste of time - all believers since then are members of the body of Christ, just as they were before the wedding took place.

Your theology along with all "future" looking theologies is in error.

 

[50C1AL0N3]

The wedding was in the 1st century AD, so looking for the "bride" is waste of time - all believers since then are members of the body of Christ, just as they were before the wedding took place.

Your theology along with all "future" looking theologies is in error.

Forgive my ignorance on the subject, but what is the facts of a 1st century wedding? I have never heard of it until now.

 

[Locutus]

First of all we need to take Christ parables into view - regarding the wedding - since you seem to prefer the KJV I'll use that:

(Mat 22:2 KJV) The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

(Mat 22:3 KJV) And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

(Mat 22:4 KJV) Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

(Mat 22:5 KJV) But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

(Mat 22:6 KJV) And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

(Mat 22:7 KJV) But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

He's speaking to the Jews, and any of the tribes that were there. Notice this parable and his other parables in regards to his hearers - the Jews of the 1st century AD.

Jesus tells THEM that the King will destroy those murders, and burn up their city - we know from history that this is precisely what happened to Jerusalem in the war of 66-70 AD.

Parable of the vineyard:

(Mark 12:1 KJV) And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.

(Mark 12:2 KJV) And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

(Mark 12:3 KJV) And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.

(Mark 12:4 KJV) And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.

(Mark 12:5 KJV) And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.

(Mark 12:6 KJV) Having yet therefore one son, his well beloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

(Mark 12:7 KJV) But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.

(Mark 12:8 KJV) And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.

(Mark 12:9 KJV) What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.

More parabolic references to the Jews/Israel of the 1st century AD, we know that they did to the certain man's "one son, his well beloved" and in this parable there is a prophecy of His of death at their hands.

This "destroy the husbandmen" also came true in the war of 66-70AD - Jesus warned them that vengeance for the killing of innocent blood i.e. the prophets "him they killed, and many others" would come upon the generation that heard him speak:

(Mat 23:37 KJV) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

(Mat 23:34 KJV) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

(Mat 23:35 KJV) That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

(Mat 23:36 KJV) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

All those things including the "wedding" came upon that generation that heard Jesus speak.

(Mat 23:32 KJV) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

Paul speaks of the Jews filling up the measure of sin in their persecution of the 1st century church:

(1 Th 2:15 KJV) Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

(1 Th 2:16 KJV) Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

The wrath that Paul was speaking of was their destruction in the war of 66-70 AD.

The imagery of the vineyard and the wedding are not literal - the guests weren't dressed like this:

 

[50C1AL0N3]

There is mention of any hint that we should look to or have faith in ourselves. We sre to rely and focus on God to conquer. Period.
How is it that many void that fact when it concerns the subject of eternal life?
Why do so many people couple the atoning sacrificial death of Christ with his teachings?

First of all we need to take Christ parables into view - regarding the wedding - since you seem to prefer the KJV I'll use that:

(Mat 22:2 KJV) The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

(Mat 22:3 KJV) And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

(Mat 22:4 KJV) Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

(Mat 22:5 KJV) But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

(Mat 22:6 KJV) And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

(Mat 22:7 KJV) But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

He's speaking to the Jews, and any of the tribes that were there. Notice this parable and his other parables in regards to his hearers - the Jews of the 1st century AD.

Jesus tells THEM that the King will destroy those murders, and burn up their city - we know from history that this is precisely what happened to Jerusalem in the war of 66-70 AD.

Parable of the vineyard:

(Mark 12:1 KJV) And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.

(Mark 12:2 KJV) And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

(Mark 12:3 KJV) And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.

(Mark 12:4 KJV) And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.

(Mark 12:5 KJV) And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.

(Mark 12:6 KJV) Having yet therefore one son, his well beloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

(Mark 12:7 KJV) But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.

(Mark 12:8 KJV) And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.

(Mark 12:9 KJV) What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.

More parabolic references to the Jews/Israel of the 1st century AD, we know that they did to the certain man's "one son, his well beloved" and in this parable there is a prophecy of His of death at their hands.

This "destroy the husbandmen" also came true in the war of 66-70AD - Jesus warned them that vengeance for the killing of innocent blood i.e. the prophets "him they killed, and many others" would come upon the generation that heard him speak:

(Mat 23:37 KJV) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

(Mat 23:34 KJV) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

(Mat 23:35 KJV) That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

(Mat 23:36 KJV) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

All those things including the "wedding" came upon that generation that heard Jesus speak.

(Mat 23:32 KJV) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

Paul speaks of the Jews filling up the measure of sin in their persecution of the 1st century church:

(1 Th 2:15 KJV) Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

(1 Th 2:16 KJV) Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

The wrath that Paul was speaking of was their destruction in the war of 66-70 AD.

The imagery of the vineyard and the wedding are not literal - the guests weren't dressed like this:

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I believe the word "generation" is referring to the same type (cruel and heartless) of people. As in relevance to a type of nationality or family.

 

[Locutus]

Having a "belief" is fine, but the actual words used in the Greek text take precedence over "beliefs"

In "this generation" the Greek word is genea which means a generation not a type of something:

(Mat 24:34 KJV) Verily I say unto you, This generation (genea) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

(Mat 11:16 KJV) But whereunto shall I liken this generation? (genea) It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows.

Strongs

G1074 genea ghen-eh-ah'

from (a presumed derivative of) G1085;

a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons).

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Whereas if the writers of the new testament wanted to give a "type" of something to the meaning they would have used the Greek genos:

(Phil 3:5 KJV) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of (genos) Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Strongs

G1085 genos ghen'-os

from G1096;

"kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective).
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Futurist "theologies" always try and get around the fact that Jesus said his complementary genea would be the ones upon the wrath would be coming for shedding innocent blood because it does not fit with their fawlty "theology".

The Greek in many cases destroys their reasoning. There is no way to make genea a type of something.

 

[50C1AL0N3]

I am not learned renough to be have a theology, let alone a prophetic futuristic one
If the marriage has passed then it has passed. All's I Know is there is overwhelming half truths and lie's being taught as sound doctrin in many of today's churches, and I want to vent and shine some light in the darkness. Stick around with all that knowledge. I might need to tap into it.

 

[MattforJesus]

The dillusion and confusion of many denominations. Which one the true Bride of Christ?

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

No person says that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, which is to believe He is above all principality, power, and authority.

Which means God must be working in their life, for the flesh would not reveal that to them.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Any person that believes Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, the Father must be working in their life for the flesh would not reveal that to them.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Every person that confesses that Jesus is come in the flesh, God manifest in the flesh, is of God.

So God must be working in their life.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

If a person understands the end time that God is going to put the wicked down, and end this sin business on earth, so be right with Him, is part of the wise, and not part of the wicked.

Which means God is working in their life.

Which this is the point concerning if OSAS is true, then God would only work in the lives of those that He chose to be saved, for there would be no purpose to work in the lives of those He did not choose to be saved.

But there are many people that confess these things, and in the proper perspective, but do not believe in OSAS unless the person allows the Spirit to lead them, and be Christlike, and believes sin does affect their relationship with God.

But if they go against OSAS and confess these things then God is working in their lives, despite them not believing OSAS, so they would have to be OSAS also, for God would only work in the lives of those He chose.

So wrong interpretations would not hinder their salvation if they confess these things for they would be OSAS also.

So if we confess these things and OSAS is true, why do we fight over any other interpretation, if it does not matter for we are OSAS if we confess these things concerning Christ, and the end time.

But if OSAS is not true, and we have a choice in our salvation, then many people can confess these things but might not be saved.

But the OSAS people should not be fighting with those that do not believe OSAS if they confess these things for nothing can hinder their salvation, so why do they fight with them.

If they want to look at it logically, for if a person confesses these things God is working in their lives, and He would only work in the lives of the people He chose if OSAS is true.

For the flesh would not accept those things and would have to come from the Spirit.

So is OSAS true, in which even people that do not believe in OSAS, and have wrong interpretations, are still saved because they confess these things, which if they confess these things then the OSAS people should leave them alone, for why debate with them when their wrong interpretations do not matter.

It does not matter if they do not believe faith alone, and not saved by works, if they confess these things.

Or is OSAS not true, in which we have a choice in our salvation, and then many people can confess these things, but not all will be saved.

 

[Deade]

I am not learned renough to be have a theology, let alone a prophetic futuristic one
If the marriage has passed then it has passed. All's I Know is there is overwhelming half truths and lie's being taught as sound doctrin in many of today's churches, and I want to vent and shine some light in the darkness. Stick around with all that knowledge. I might need to tap into it.

Pay no attention to Locutus, he is a preterist and probably amillennialist. The him the Kingdom of God is only in our hearts, and Revelation and the Day of the Lord is all past.

 

[50C1AL0N3]

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

No person says that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, which is to believe He is above all principality, power, and authority.

Which means God must be working in their life, for the flesh would not reveal that to them.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Any person that believes Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, the Father must be working in their life for the flesh would not reveal that to them.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Every person that confesses that Jesus is come in the flesh, God manifest in the flesh, is of God.

So God must be working in their life.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

If a person understands the end time that God is going to put the wicked down, and end this sin business on earth, so be right with Him, is part of the wise, and not part of the wicked.

Which means God is working in their life.

Which this is the point concerning if OSAS is true, then God would only work in the lives of those that He chose to be saved, for there would be no purpose to work in the lives of those He did not choose to be saved.

But there are many people that confess these things, and in the proper perspective, but do not believe in OSAS unless the person allows the Spirit to lead them, and be Christlike, and believes sin does affect their relationship with God.

But if they go against OSAS and confess these things then God is working in their lives, despite them not believing OSAS, so they would have to be OSAS also, for God would only work in the lives of those He chose.

So wrong interpretations would not hinder their salvation if they confess these things for they would be OSAS also.

So if we confess these things and OSAS is true, why do we fight over any other interpretation, if it does not matter for we are OSAS if we confess these things concerning Christ, and the end time.

But if OSAS is not true, and we have a choice in our salvation, then many people can confess these things but might not be saved.

But the OSAS people should not be fighting with those that do not believe OSAS if they confess these things for nothing can hinder their salvation, so why do they fight with them.

If they want to look at it logically, for if a person confesses these things God is working in their lives, and He would only work in the lives of the people He chose if OSAS is true.

For the flesh would not accept those things and would have to come from the Spirit.

So is OSAS true, in which even people that do not believe in OSAS, and have wrong interpretations, are still saved because they confess these things, which if they confess these things then the OSAS people should leave them alone, for why debate with them when their wrong interpretations do not matter.

It does not matter if they do not believe faith alone, and not saved by works, if they confess these things.

Or is OSAS not true, in which we have a choice in our salvation, and then many people can confess these things, but not all will be saved.

Jesus compares the direction of the spirit with the wind. You can not tell where it's coming from or where it's going. There will always be room for error with human judgemeent, because our judgement is subject to error. There is so much filth mingled with the pure truth that I think I'll just love the best I can and let the will of God do it's thing.

 

[Locutus]

. The him the Kingdom of God is only in our hearts

Don't listen to Meade listen to Jesus:

(Luke 17:20 KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

(Luke 17:21 KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

And listen to Paul:

(Col 1:13 KJV) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

What we have is another disciple of denial, reversing what Jesus said and trying to make him say "the Kingdom of God COMES with observation, and that "the kingdom of God is WITHOUT you."

 

[Adstar]

If there is only one God and one way, if Christ will often say to many of us that He did not know us, then there simply isn't room for many denominations.

About 20 years ago I realized that I had to be wrong about some scriptures because God is one, God is eternal and all scripture agree. With my understanding I saw disagreements. Either I was wrong or God was wrong and there was a simple answer to that. What is more, my church had taught me the interpretation I was making. So I went to work, and it took several months devoted to that study to find the answer.

Then I searched to find out where the misinformation about scripture came from. It was very soon after Christ that men who had grown up with mythology and idols but turned Christian mixed some of their beliefs with Christianity. Tracing the writings of these men and how it influenced as the church grew.

Getting back to the way Christ taught and the first church (they called it the Way) believed would be a monumental job.

Bilk i never said there where no denominations who are not true to the Gospel of Jesus.. Of course there are false christian denominations.. My point was opposing the view that there was only One true denomination,, But also to say that the true Christian community exists independant of denominational restrictions.. Christians can be in a denomination or can be outside a denomination.. Membership of a denomination is not essential to ones salvation..

Relying on the guidance of the holy Spirit in ones reading of the will of God in the Holy Bible is all that one needs to be a Christian..

 

[50C1AL0N3]

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Don't listen to Meade listen to Jesus:

(Luke 17:20 KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

(Luke 17:21 KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

And listen to Paul:

(Col 1:13 KJV) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

What we have is another disciple of denial, reversing what Jesus said and trying to make him say "the Kingdom of God COMES with observation, and that "the kingdom of God is WITHOUT you."

For the kingdom of heaven is not in meat and drink, but is peace, Joy, and righteousness in the Holy Spirit.

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

No person says that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, which is to believe He is above all principality, power, and authority.

Which means God must be working in their life, for the flesh would not reveal that to them.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Any person that believes Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, the Father must be working in their life for the flesh would not reveal that to them.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Every person that confesses that Jesus is come in the flesh, God manifest in the flesh, is of God.

So God must be working in their life.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

If a person understands the end time that God is going to put the wicked down, and end this sin business on earth, so be right with Him, is part of the wise, and not part of the wicked.

Which means God is working in their life.

Which this is the point concerning if OSAS is true, then God would only work in the lives of those that He chose to be saved, for there would be no purpose to work in the lives of those He did not choose to be saved.

But there are many people that confess these things, and in the proper perspective, but do not believe in OSAS unless the person allows the Spirit to lead them, and be Christlike, and believes sin does affect their relationship with God.

But if they go against OSAS and confess these things then God is working in their lives, despite them not believing OSAS, so they would have to be OSAS also, for God would only work in the lives of those He chose.

So wrong interpretations would not hinder their salvation if they confess these things for they would be OSAS also.

So if we confess these things and OSAS is true, why do we fight over any other interpretation, if it does not matter for we are OSAS if we confess these things concerning Christ, and the end time.

But if OSAS is not true, and we have a choice in our salvation, then many people can confess these things but might not be saved.

But the OSAS people should not be fighting with those that do not believe OSAS if they confess these things for nothing can hinder their salvation, so why do they fight with them.

If they want to look at it logically, for if a person confesses these things God is working in their lives, and He would only work in the lives of the people He chose if OSAS is true.

For the flesh would not accept those things and would have to come from the Spirit.

So is OSAS true, in which even people that do not believe in OSAS, and have wrong interpretations, are still saved because they confess these things, which if they confess these things then the OSAS people should leave them alone, for why debate with them when their wrong interpretations do not matter.

It does not matter if they do not believe faith alone, and not saved by works, if they confess these things.

Or is OSAS not true, in which we have a choice in our salvation, and then many people can confess these things, but not all will be saved.

Christ claimed he came to give his life, and life more abundantly

He is undoubtedly speaking of spiritual life. His atoning sacrificial death on the cross secured our eternal life. Signed, sealed, delivered.
The beginning of eternal life begins with the imputing of the Holy Spirit. If we want to add abundance to the new and improved spirituaol life, we adhere to his teachings pertinent for edification of the spirit.
He tells his disciples that he says to them that he tells them that the things he speaks to them is so that they will have joy in him, and that their joy will be full.
Eternal life secured. An abundantly joyous journey in Christ, optional upon adhering and obeying the truth
Of course there is no scripture to agree or disagree with the above mentioned, but wisdom speaks to me on this wise.
We can grieve or edify the Holy Spirit in us, but we can not reject it or lose it
Does this ring as truth to those with the spirit?

 

[OneFaith]

The dillusion and confusion of many denominations. Which one the true Bride of Christ?

☆The true bride of Christ is the one who stayed true to the first church Christ established in the new testament- the new testament being their one and only doctrine, unchanged until Christ's return. The true bride of Christ never branched off of the first church, and has no man-made doctrines- such as the watchtower, the Catholic bible, the book of Mormon, etc.

☆The true bride of Christ has taken His name. In the new testament the first church was called The Way (Acts 9:2) or the Church of Christ (Romans 16:16). Jesus is the way, the, truth, and the life (John 14:6), and He is definitely the Christ who was prophesied about in the old testament- so both these names are fitting. It is the doctrine of truth that you must go by, but if it is not named after Him, that is your first sign that it is not the true bride of Christ. Some examples are... the Momentum Church, the Lutheran church, the Church of Saint George, etc. "...calling on the name of the Lord."

☆The true bride of Christ has one gospel by which we must be saved- which is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Those who refuse to obey the gospel will go to hell (2 Thesalonians 1:8). The way we obey is by joining Christ in His death by way of water baptism (Romans 6:3)- which is how we get into Christ (baptized into Christ), into His body- which is the church (Colossians 1:18). Christ is the head (authority) of the body (one and only church). There are not many heads to the one body, and there are not many bodies to the one head.

 

[Blik]

We would all agree if every Christian believed scripture is the word of God that comes from an eternal God that is the same from creation to the end of our world, from Genesis to Revelation. They are never to base a God principle on one verse, there are always several verses about any subject and if the interpretation is correct all will agree. It also takes learning about how people thought at the time a scripture was written so we know what the words used meant to the writer. Because almost all was written in Hebrew we also need to know something about the Hebrew thought and language to check on the translator.

It is a lot of work. We live here a short time, in eternity forever.

 

[Blik]

Christ claimed he came to give his life, and life more abundantly

He is undoubtedly speaking of spiritual life. His atoning sacrificial death on the cross secured our eternal life. Signed, sealed, delivered.

We can grieve or edify the Holy Spirit in us, but we can not reject it or lose it
Does this ring as truth to those with the spirit?

If you read scripture it tells us by believing we are given abundant life. If you look at the Hebrew language, the language has a literal meaning and also a hidden and spiritual meaning. If God did not give His words to people to put them down in Hebrew, God used men who were Hebrew in their training and upbringing.

We are promised blessing for obedience. There is no where in the bible that salvation or atonement was give except by grace, not obedience. The orthodox Jews try their best to obey, and even though they do not accept Christ they are blessed for this obedience. This website tells of ways they are blessed. We are adopted in, with our obedience would come the same blessings. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/jews-are-richer/

You are not acknowledging that Christ is the Son of God, not the Father of God. God gave Christ all power, but God did not take away His words and power to give to Christ but they share it.

 

[tourist]

The dillusion and confusion of many denominations. Which one the true Bride of Christ?

The bride of Christ is God's church and not a particular denomination. I take that too mean that the members are those that are born again having been washed from the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins.

 

[maxwel]

i haven't attended church in 7 years,

I have always stayed away from commentary, and any other book but the KJV Bible.

You don't attend church where you can be taught by skilled teachers,
and you won't read commentaries or instructional books by learned Christian men.

So although God states he has provided teachers for us because we need them...
you are so clever, and so spiritual, that you can ignore all the teachers, on the entire earth, whom God has provided?


Nice.
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[beta]

You don't attend church where you can be taught by skilled teachers,
and you won't read commentaries or instructional books by learned Christian men.

So although God states he has provided teachers for us because we need them...
you are so clever, and so spiritual, that you can ignore all the teachers, on the entire earth, whom God has provided?


Nice.
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There is only ONE TRUE Teacher come from God and we will be 'hard pressed to find him in any human organization on this evil world .....since HE is now sitting at the right hand of God in heaven.! HE IS SPIRIT !

 

[whatev]

The dillusion and confusion of many denominations. Which one the true Bride of Christ?

I count three strange concepts here:
1. That what my denomination is determines who the true Bride of Christ is.
2. That the true Bride of Christ can only be found through denominations.
3. That you listed all the denominations. None of those listed are denominations.

The Lord's bride isn't "the right denomination." His bride is all the Father has given him and all he keeps. His bride comes from all nations, all denominations, and all people.