Trinity vs. Oneness

[mpaper345]

Jews,Samaritans(which is a half Jew and half Gentile),and Gentiles,were all baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.That covers everybody in the world to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

The Bible says that baptism is for the remission of sins.

The book of Luke says that baptism is to be preached in Jesus' name.

The book of Luke says straight out that baptism is to be done in Jesus' name.

There is no contradiction in the Bible and when Jesus told them to baptize in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,He is telling His disciples that He is the one true God that created all things,appreared in flesh bu manifesting all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and dwells in the saints by His Spirit.

Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.

Jesus is the name of the Father as God the Father said in the Old Testament that He would reveal His new name to the Jews and speak to them,and says it will be the name of both God the Father and the Son.

Jesus said He came in His Father's name which is Jesus.

The Son inherited that name from the Father.Jesus is the Father's name and the Son inherited that name from the Father.

The Bible says the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.

Although many trinitarians will say that baptism is not essential for salvation they will still ignore scriptures that reveal that Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,because they do not want to believe it,even though scriptures declare it.

With that attitude of ignoring scriptures they violate God's word when it says do not add or take away God's word.

They add to the word of God when it says Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,and add that Jesus is not the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him(1 Corinthians 8:6).

There is not a trinity but only one God the Father,and one visible manifestation of God the Father to the world,the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Bible plainly states that there is only one God,the Father.There is only one visible manifestation of God the Father to the world,the Lord Jesus Christ.

That is why the Old Testament says that the Son shall be called The everlasting Father,because Jesus is the visible manifestaion of God the Father.

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all(Ephesians 4:6).

When the Bible states that there is one God it only states that there is one God and Father of all.

The Bible plainly states that there is only one God and Father of all.When the Bible speaks of one God it only attributes the Father as the only God.

If there were a trinity the Bible would state one God,the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,but the Bible plainly states when it speaks of one God as only the Father being that one God.

Some trinitarians will say that people who believe in only one God the Father is of a cult,but they are not trying to be part of a cult,but they will not ignore scriptures.

The Bible says the Son shall be called The everlasting Father.We have to find out why the Son shall be called The everlasting Father,not ignore it because we want to believe in a trinity.

When the Bible says there is only one God the Father,we cannot ignore it but have to accept that there is only one God the Father.

When the Bible states that the name of the Father is Jesus,and the Son inherited that name from the Father,and the Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus attesting that Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,in which Luke says baptism is in Jesus' name,we cannot ignore those scriptures because we want to believe in a trinity.

If a person believes in a trinity then they have to battle against scriptures that attest against a trinity,and cannot ignore scriptures like they do.

Jesus told His disciples that when He resurrects to heaven for the disciples to not ask Him anything but only ask the Father and He will do it,but in another scripture Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven that we can ask Him and He will do it.

The Son,the man Christ Jesus,went to the Father on the disciple's and the world's behalf,but when Jesus went to heaven the disciples went to Jesus as the Father.

Jesus said do not ask Him anything but only ask the Father,but in another scripture Jesus said ask Him when He goes to heaven and He will do it.

If we only go to the Father and He will do it,and Jesus said He will do it,then Jesus is the Father,for we only go to the Father,and Jesus said ask Him and He will do it.

14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).

Honor my Jesus for who He is,the one true God,and there is no other beside Him.


23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
29His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. 31Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?(John 16:23-31).

Now the disciples understood that Jesus is the one true God that showed Himself in a visible manifestation to them and when He goes to heaven they go to Jesus as God.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).

Matt

 

[Dmurray]

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Scripture adds up and speaks for itself. A faithful servant obeys the Master's command.

 

[Ricke]

The second birth is the birth by the Spirit. You are born of water when you are born from your mother's "water", you are reborn when a new man is brought to life in you by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is what you are proclaiming then when you are baptized--the old man dying and the new man being born of the Spirit.

C'Mon David, why are you twisting around what Jesus told Nicodemus to do? john 3 v 5 says; WATER and SPIRiT. No it does not say Baptism"....Then ask yourself thee questions if The "Water'in Water and Spirit applies to a mothers womb water, tell US then why;

1. Jesus himself went down in The Jordan River and to teach US, he himself was Water Baptized? No mention of Mother's womb water there....

2. Why did The Apostle Philip take The Ethiopian Eunich DOWN IN THE WATER to Water Baptize him after The Eunich Beleived in Acts 8 verses 35-38.........No mention of Womb Water there??


3. And Why did Apostle Peter say this to Cornelious in Acts 10 v 47;"Can any man FORBID WATER, that these should not be BAPTIZED , which have received The HOLY GHOST AS WELL AS WE?.....NO MENTION OF womb water there eithet David?

 

[VW]

Nothing in the Bible is optional. It is the "Manual" it's like saying oh the oil change every 5000 km is optional.

No it is manditory. If it wasn't then why would it be in there? Everything is in there for a purpose. We must be Born again through Water and Spiritual Baptism.

Repentance = Christ's Death
Water Baptism = Christ's Burial
Spiritual Baptism = Christ's Resurrection

We must apply the Gospel to our lives.

We can not pick and chose to make it fit our own meanings. But we must follow every command the Bible gives us.

Jesus commanded them to Baptize people, that unless we are born of the water and of the Spirit we CAN NOT ENTER the Kingdom!

Acts 2:38 is a command from the Apostle unto how we must be saved.

The more I thought about this, the more I did not like the phrase, "Apply the gospel to our lives." Being saved is not something we do, it is something we "are!" It is like marriage. People ask me how I have stayed married over 38 years, when almost half of the marriages in this country end in divorce. The answer is simple. Being married is something I am, not something I do. I can stop doing something, but what I am is permanent. And while I can walk not in Christ, I cannot change the fact of my birth into His family by the Holy Spirit. (I may willfully sin, and then I have real trouble with the Father, [I don't even want to go to where this leads, it scares me.]) So just as my birth into mankind is a factual definition of who I am, so is my birth into the kingdom by the Holy Spirit is a factual definition of who I am now.

The only thing I apply to my life, that is, my new life in Jesus, is the more of the nature of God by being in His presence, by beholding His glory, and being changed by His glory. Basically, to spend time with the One who loved me and gave Himself for Me, and with His Father who sent Him to be the reconciliation for me to enter His family, to begin a life long, eternity long, relationship with Him.

 

[VW]

C'Mon David, why are you twisting around what Jesus told Nicodemus to do? john 3 v 5 says; WATER and SPIRiT. No it does not say Baptism"....Then ask yourself thee questions if The "Water'in Water and Spirit applies to a mothers womb water, tell US then why;

1. Jesus himself went down in The Jordan River and to teach US, he himself was Water Baptized? No mention of Mother's womb water there....

2. Why did The Apostle Philip take The Ethiopian Eunich DOWN IN THE WATER to Water Baptize him after The Eunich Beleived in Acts 8 verses 35-38.........No mention of Womb Water there??


3. And Why did Apostle Peter say this to Cornelious in Acts 10 v 47;"Can any man FORBID WATER, that these should not be BAPTIZED , which have received The HOLY GHOST AS WELL AS WE?.....NO MENTION OF womb water there eithet David?

He said born of water.

 

[VW]

It is usually a mistake to argue from the negative.

 

[VW]

How else are we born again of water? Do we enter a second time into our mothers womb? No that is why he command the deciples to Baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Scripture explains itself. It is not an interpretation. 1+1 = 2

Being born again is of the Holy Spirit. Has nothing to do with water.

 

[VW]

C'Mon David, why are you twisting around what Jesus told Nicodemus to do? john 3 v 5 says; WATER and SPIRiT. No it does not say Baptism"....Then ask yourself thee questions if The "Water'in Water and Spirit applies to a mothers womb water, tell US then why;

1. Jesus himself went down in The Jordan River and to teach US, he himself was Water Baptized? No mention of Mother's womb water there....

2. Why did The Apostle Philip take The Ethiopian Eunich DOWN IN THE WATER to Water Baptize him after The Eunich Beleived in Acts 8 verses 35-38.........No mention of Womb Water there??


3. And Why did Apostle Peter say this to Cornelious in Acts 10 v 47;"Can any man FORBID WATER, that these should not be BAPTIZED , which have received The HOLY GHOST AS WELL AS WE?.....NO MENTION OF womb water there eithet David?

Jesus was not born again when He went down into the water. He had no sin, had not death in Himself, unlike us, and was baptized for a reason which has to do with our following Him in His walk, by being filled with the Spirit and walking at the leading of the Spirit throughout our entire life in Him.

 

[Dmurray]

Should we not apply the word of God to our lives?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Scripture says it is something we do. Just like love is a verb. We measure love in how much we sacrifice for people. God loved us so much that he manifested himself in the flesh, was beaten and tormented and hung upon the cross as he died slowly and painfully for the sin we have done.

It is a doing. Not just an I am.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Jews,Samaritans(which is a half Jew and half Gentile),and Gentiles,were all baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.That covers everybody in the world to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

The Bible says that baptism is for the remission of sins.

The book of Luke says that baptism is to be preached in Jesus' name.

The book of Luke says straight out that baptism is to be done in Jesus' name.

There is no contradiction in the Bible and when Jesus told them to baptize in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,He is telling His disciples that He is the one true God that created all things,appreared in flesh bu manifesting all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and dwells in the saints by His Spirit.

Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.

Jesus is the name of the Father as God the Father said in the Old Testament that He would reveal His new name to the Jews and speak to them,and says it will be the name of both God the Father and the Son.

Jesus said He came in His Father's name which is Jesus.

The Son inherited that name from the Father.Jesus is the Father's name and the Son inherited that name from the Father.

The Bible says the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.

Although many trinitarians will say that baptism is not essential for salvation they will still ignore scriptures that reveal that Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,because they do not want to believe it,even though scriptures declare it.

With that attitude of ignoring scriptures they violate God's word when it says do not add or take away God's word.

They add to the word of God when it says Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,and add that Jesus is not the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him(1 Corinthians 8:6).

There is not a trinity but only one God the Father,and one visible manifestation of God the Father to the world,the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Bible plainly states that there is only one God,the Father.There is only one visible manifestation of God the Father to the world,the Lord Jesus Christ.

That is why the Old Testament says that the Son shall be called The everlasting Father,because Jesus is the visible manifestaion of God the Father.

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all(Ephesians 4:6).

When the Bible states that there is one God it only states that there is one God and Father of all.

The Bible plainly states that there is only one God and Father of all.When the Bible speaks of one God it only attributes the Father as the only God.

If there were a trinity the Bible would state one God,the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,but the Bible plainly states when it speaks of one God as only the Father being that one God.

Some trinitarians will say that people who believe in only one God the Father is of a cult,but they are not trying to be part of a cult,but they will not ignore scriptures.

The Bible says the Son shall be called The everlasting Father.We have to find out why the Son shall be called The everlasting Father,not ignore it because we want to believe in a trinity.

When the Bible says there is only one God the Father,we cannot ignore it but have to accept that there is only one God the Father.

When the Bible states that the name of the Father is Jesus,and the Son inherited that name from the Father,and the Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus attesting that Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,in which Luke says baptism is in Jesus' name,we cannot ignore those scriptures because we want to believe in a trinity.

If a person believes in a trinity then they have to battle against scriptures that attest against a trinity,and cannot ignore scriptures like they do.

Jesus told His disciples that when He resurrects to heaven for the disciples to not ask Him anything but only ask the Father and He will do it,but in another scripture Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven that we can ask Him and He will do it.

The Son,the man Christ Jesus,went to the Father on the disciple's and the world's behalf,but when Jesus went to heaven the disciples went to Jesus as the Father.

Jesus said do not ask Him anything but only ask the Father,but in another scripture Jesus said ask Him when He goes to heaven and He will do it.

If we only go to the Father and He will do it,and Jesus said He will do it,then Jesus is the Father,for we only go to the Father,and Jesus said ask Him and He will do it.

14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).

Honor my Jesus for who He is,the one true God,and there is no other beside Him.


23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
29His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. 31Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?(John 16:23-31).

Now the disciples understood that Jesus is the one true God that showed Himself in a visible manifestation to them and when He goes to heaven they go to Jesus as God.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).

Matt

1. The Bible clearly teaches that God is one.
2. the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God. It also teaches that the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
3. The Bible clearly teaches that the Father , the Son, and the Holy Spirit are separate persons.

In the light of these three Biblical truths, you can take one of three positions.
1. Ignore one or more of these truths.
2. Hold that the Bible is inconsistant or self contradictory.
3. Espouse some form of trinitarianism.

 

[VW]

Does not Paul write in scripture that we are baptized into His death, and that we are buried in His burial, and raised in His resurrection? Where pray tell, is the birth in this? Jesus breathed on them, and said for them to receive the Holy Spirit. Life, birth into the family of God.

 

[Dmurray]

Being born again is of the Holy Spirit. Has nothing to do with water.

Then why mention being born of the water?

It is obvious that we must be born initially in order to be saved.

and what about people who have caesareans ? They are not born naturally of water. So does that mean that these people have no chance of salvation because their mothers water didn't break?

 

[VW]

Should we not apply the word of God to our lives?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Scripture says it is something we do. Just like love is a verb. We measure love in how much we sacrifice for people. God loved us so much that he manifested himself in the flesh, was beaten and tormented and hung upon the cross as he died slowly and painfully for the sin we have done.

It is a doing. Not just an I am.

When one is born, there is no death first. Birth is the beginning of something new. We partake of baptism to show that we have died to the fleshly life and have been risen in His life, in His resurrection from the dead. But if one has not actually received conviction from the Spirit about His resurrection, has not been born again of God by His Spirit, then the dunking has done them on good. In fact, the dunking is a sign of what has happened.

No one is saying that we should not be baptized, but rather that we should not make a doctrine that one "must" be baptized. If we say this, we have again placed the believer under the law, only another law.

 

[VW]

Then why mention being born of the water?

It is obvious that we must be born initially in order to be saved.

and what about people who have caesareans ? They are not born naturally of water. So does that mean that these people have no chance of salvation because their mothers water didn't break?

Every child of a woman is encased in water while in the womb. Your ignorance is showing.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Notice that He says that which is born of the flesh(water) is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (the new man, born again).

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Simple grammar. I come to you in the name of the attorney and of the accountant and of the CEO. One person or three persons? The repitition of "of the" indicates it is three which you understand.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Peter is not attempting a theological explanation, nor is he trying to define salvation.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Not that this says baptized into Jesus Christ, not His name. It is refering to the truth that our old selves were "immersed" in Him when He died and thus died also.
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Scripture adds up and speaks for itself. A faithful servant obeys the Master's command.

You have shown well that the One baptism is not an immersion in water, but an immersion in Christ, His death, and His resurrection.

 

[Dmurray]

1. The Bible clearly teaches that God is one.
2. the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God. It also teaches that the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
3. The Bible clearly teaches that the Father , the Son, and the Holy Spirit are separate persons.

In the light of these three Biblical truths, you can take one of three positions.
1. Ignore one or more of these truths.
2. Hold that the Bible is inconsistant or self contradictory.
3. Espouse some form of trinitarianism.

Where does it specifically say that they are three seperate people? Or are these conclusions that man has come to?

 

[Dmurray]

You have shown well that the One baptism is not an immersion in water, but an immersion in Christ, His death, and His resurrection.

G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.

G911
βάπτω
baptō
bap'-to
A primary verb; to whelm, that is, cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or specific sense, that is, (literally) to moisten (a part of one’s person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye): - dip.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

C'Mon David, why are you twisting around what Jesus told Nicodemus to do? john 3 v 5 says; WATER and SPIRiT. No it does not say Baptism"....Then ask yourself thee questions if The "Water'in Water and Spirit applies to a mothers womb water, tell US then why;

1. Jesus himself went down in The Jordan River and to teach US, he himself was Water Baptized? No mention of Mother's womb water there....

2. Why did The Apostle Philip take The Ethiopian Eunich DOWN IN THE WATER to Water Baptize him after The Eunich Beleived in Acts 8 verses 35-38.........No mention of Womb Water there??


3. And Why did Apostle Peter say this to Cornelious in Acts 10 v 47;"Can any man FORBID WATER, that these should not be BAPTIZED , which have received The HOLY GHOST AS WELL AS WE?.....NO MENTION OF womb water there eithet David?

Jesus said you must be born again, of water and spirit. Which is the first birth and which is the second. If Jesus wanted to say, be baptized in water and the spirit, He would have said it. You have to twist his words to turn born into baptized.

 

[mpaper345]

Jesus told Nicodemus in order for him to be able to enter the kingdom of heaven as well as all people,he must be born of water and the Spirit.

That is the requirement to be able to enter the kingdom of heaven,to be born of the water and of the Spirit.

1.Being born naturally is not a requirement to enter heaven for we all must be born physically and the Bible says all is born in sin.

How can a person being born naturally be a requirement to be able to enter heaven seeing we are all born in sin and God said there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh.

2.It is silly to think that being born naturally is a requirement to be able to enter heaven.

3.Jesus said that being born of water and the Spirit is the requirements to be able to enter the kingdom of heaven,and then said that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which born of the Spirit is spirit.
Being born naturally cannot be being born of water that Jesus was talking about for being born of water is a requirement to be able to see the kingdom of heaven and being born naturally is not a requirement to be to able to see heaven for that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

4.Being born of water and the Spirit are the requirements to be able to enter the kingdom of heaven and is spiritual and being naturally born is fleshy not spiritual.Being born of the flesh is being born in sin which could not be born of water that Jesus was talking about because being born of water is a requirement to be able to enter heaven and being born naturally is fleshy not spiritual.

I do not want to be mean but some people not only do not understand some things spiritually,they do not even use common sense sometimes.I believe that some people of the world would even understand some things of the Bible commonsense wise.

But it is not that they do not understand,it is they are trying to support their traditions of men's doctrines so they have to interpret scriptures to fit their traditions and false doctrines.

The sad part is when a scripture contradicts their tradition that they think is truth,they will ignore it and will not believe so they can hold unto their tradition that they think is the truth.

The Jehovah's witnesses believe that Jesus is a created God but God the Father said there would be no God formed after Him,but they will ignore it.

The Bible says the Son shall be called The everlasting Father,but they interpret it that He is our step Father,which is absurd,and Jesus said we only have one Father.

They will believe the He shall be called The mighty God,but in the same scripture will not believe that He shall be called The everlasting Father.

Matt

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Should we not apply the word of God to our lives?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Scripture says it is something we do. Just like love is a verb. We measure love in how much we sacrifice for people. God loved us so much that he manifested himself in the flesh, was beaten and tormented and hung upon the cross as he died slowly and painfully for the sin we have done.

It is a doing. Not just an I am.

Consider the meaning of the word "baptism". It means immersion. All who are immersed in Jesus are immerse into his death. If we are immersed into His death then we are raised with Him and walk in the newness of life. It is as simple as that. Not once in this passage does He say water.