Are Roman Catholics Christians

[Danny1988]

What if I told you that I did pray, and really tried to hold on?

What if I told you that I really tried to resist anything that caused me to question my faith?

What if I told you that ironically, the very same bible is what ultimately opened a huge gap in my understanding and has left me utterly exposed in a way that I don't think I can be the same? Meaning, I can't have the same faith because I'd be insulting my own intellect and disregarding all of the internal screams that tell me that God is much more than a book compiled by men?

If The God of the bible is exactly as the bible says he is, then he might understand why I feel the way I do since he gave me this brain and mind. Then again, he might send me to "hell", and again, it depends on who you ask.

It honestly sounds to me you are trying to understand and obey God using your own ability. The Bible says in Proverbs, lean not on your own understanding but trust in God in all your ways.

God can meet you at your very point of need, He is almighty. He can do anything beyond our imagination, I would greatly encourage you to empty yourself of everything you have learned and approach God as an empty vessel. Then He will fill you with the Holy Spirit and you will be made whole, wanting for nothing as you will be complete and a Holy Saint.

Our problem is we limit God to our own understanding but He is way beyond so we need to trust the He knows exactly what He's doing and why. He will answer all of your questions in His appointed time, we just need to trust and obey Him and He will take care of everything.

 

[calibob]

A lot of people say that vatican infiltrate almost every country in the world, we have to do a lot of reading, these are same link

http://www.sinhalanet.net/three-cor...city-of-london-washington-dc-and-vatican-city

https://mainerepublicemailalert.com...s-governments-global-companies-your-mortgage/

If you google you will find thousands more

I'd love to continue this, but it belong on the conspiracy's post I think.

 

[Seedz]

It honestly sounds to me you are trying to understand and obey God using your own ability. The Bible says in Proverbs, lean not on your own understanding but trust in God in all your ways.

God can meet you at your very point of need, He is almighty. He can do anything beyond our imagination, I would greatly encourage you to empty yourself of everything you have learned and approach God as an empty vessel. Then He will fill you with the Holy Spirit and you will be made whole, wanting for nothing as you will be complete and a Holy Saint.

Our problem is we limit God to our own understanding but He is way beyond so we need to trust the He knows exactly what He's doing and why. He will answer all of your questions in His appointed time, we just need to trust and obey Him and He will take care of everything.

I've received this kind of blanket statement time and time again.

"If it doesn't make sense, just ignore it. Forget all of the issues you've discovered, just have faith."

I've done that. I've tried. Only thing is that everytime I "empty" myself, I kind of circle back to the same conclusion; NO ONE KNOWS.

That's why the "personal God" approach works because you can ignore everything else that causes any level of cognitive dissonance and forget about whatever was making you uncomfortable about God or the current situation.

It is so dehumanizing to ignore yourself.

Most automatic responses to this will be that I am having satanic thoughts.

LOL.

 

[calibob]

never, mind.

 

[Danny1988]

I've received this kind of blanket statement time and time again.

"If it doesn't make sense, just ignore it. Forget all of the issues you've discovered, just have faith."

I've done that. I've tried. Only thing is that everytime I "empty" myself, I kind of circle back to the same conclusion; NO ONE KNOWS.

That's why the "personal God" approach works because you can ignore everything else that causes any level of cognitive dissonance and forget about whatever was making you uncomfortable about God or the current situation.

It is so dehumanizing to ignore yourself.

Most automatic responses to this will be that I am having satanic thoughts.

LOL.

Satan is our enemy, He is very smart and He uses lies in a very powerful and effective way. If we don't have the Holy Spirit to protect us we will fall for the lies of the Devil and we will be lost.

We cannot go through life using our own wisdom, we will fall prey to the evil One if we try using our own wisdom.

I believe God is working in your life to conform you to the image of His Son. It sounds like He has to break you before He makes you, sometimes God does that and it sounds very much like He's doing that in your life. So hang in there, never give up and you will be rewarded for you faith.

 

[Jackson123]

the pope was never christian, The antichrists john spoke of who left us, were part of the "many antichrists, not the one)

the antichrist will be a leader of reformed nation in europe. He will be very charismatic, he will bring peace to the earth for 3.5 years,

Again, the pope will not do this, at best you may see th epope as the false prophet. But I do not even see this

I see rome as babylon the great fake pagan religion who attempted to Rrepresent the true religion of God, who is destroyed.

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

I believe verse 21, : and that no lie is of the truth" explain the word : "went out from us but not of us " as a lie, so the antichrist is lie, pretend to be Christian but not.

 

[calibob]

it's way bigger than than the RCC sure they'r in on it

 

[eternally-gratefull]

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

I believe verse 21, : and that no lie is of the truth" explain the word : "went out from us but not of us " as a lie, so the antichrist is lie, pretend to be Christian but not.

an antichrist is one who deny's christ.

1 John 2:
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Not everyone who is an antichrist ever went to a church. actually, John is talking about those who did, and left thats all.

 

[Seedz]

Satan is our enemy, He is very smart and He uses lies in a very powerful and effective way. If we don't have the Holy Spirit to protect us we will fall for the lies of the Devil and we will be lost.

We cannot go through life using our own wisdom, we will fall prey to the evil One if we try using our own wisdom.

I believe God is working in your life to conform you to the image of His Son. It sounds like He has to break you before He makes you, sometimes God does that and it sounds very much like He's doing that in your life. So hang in there, never give up and you will be rewarded for you faith.

Did you know Jesus died on Passover? (According to Mark)

Did you know Passover was set to commemorate the final plague that eventually led to the release of the enslaved Jews in Egypt?

How interesting that the same "saving" act of both moses bringing forth the final plague and Jesus dying end up being tied together?

Sounds like a literary work with symbolism and drama to me.....

Not to mention that both mark and john disagree on the time and day that Jesus died....

Mark says he died on the day of preparation for Passover, the day the lambs were taken to the priests to be slain...

Yet another interesting literary performance....

So which is it?

 

[calibob]

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Did you know Jesus died on passover?

Did you know Passover was set to commemorate the final plague that eventually led to the release of the enslaved Jews in Egypt?

How interesting that the same "saving" act of both moses bringing forth the final plague and Jesus dying end up being tied together?

Sounds like a literary work with symbolism and drama to me.....

Not to mention that both mark and john disagree on the time and day that Jesus died....

DID THEY HAVE WATCHES OR CALENDERS?

 

[Seedz]

Did you know Jesus died on Passover? (According to Mark)

Did you know Passover was set to commemorate the final plague that eventually led to the release of the enslaved Jews in Egypt?

How interesting that the same "saving" act of both moses bringing forth the final plague and Jesus dying end up being tied together?

Sounds like a literary work with symbolism and drama to me.....

Not to mention that both mark and john disagree on the time and day that Jesus died....

Mark says he died on the day of preparation for Passover, the day the lambs were taken to the priests to be slain...

Yet another interesting literary performance....

So which is it?

Meant to say John says he died on the day of preparation... not Mark

 

[Seedz]

DID THEY HAVE WATCHES OR CALENDERS?

My point is that they knew undeniably which day was Passover. It was a huge commemoration and everyone knew exactly what day was Passover, yet both accounts tell a different tale and each is tied to a symbolic literary piece that goes back to either Moses (which was savior of the Jews before Jesus by the way) or it is tied to Jesus being the lamb that was killed also on the preparation prior to passover, (the slaying of the lambs by the priests for the Passover meal)

 

[Seedz]

My point is that they knew undeniably which day was Passover. It was a huge commemoration and everyone knew exactly what day was Passover, yet both accounts tell a different tale and each is tied to a symbolic literary piece that goes back to either Moses (which was savior of the Jews before Jesus by the way) or it is tied to Jesus being the lamb that was killed also on the preparation prior to passover, (the slaying of the lambs by the priests for the Passover meal)

Im talking about Passover in Jerusalem. That is exactly where they were and in Jerusalem Passover was just one day, celebrated by all in Jerusalem that one day. Can't be different days...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Meant to say John says he died on the day of preparation... not Mark

can you share these differences? Where are the verses which contradict.

 

[Seedz]

can you share these differences? Where are the verses which contradict.

Most definitely, here it goes:

In Mark 14:22-25 we see the account of Jesus instructing the disciples in the new meanings for the foods of the Passover supper. (the foods already had symbolic meanings from the OT times)

Keep in mind that this passage tells us directly that they had the Passover Meal during the day of Passover, that is the whole point of the Passover and of the occurrence I want to highlight in this post.

After the Passover meal and the prophecy told by Jesus of Peter's negation (which is also another discrepancy, I can share details if interested) they head to the garden of Gethsemane to pray. Judas Brings the troops, and Jesus is taken into custody to stand trial before the Jewish authorities.

He spends the night in Jail and then is tried before the Roman Governor, Pontious Pilate the next morning. He is found guilty and condemned.

Mark 15:25 tells us the exact time he died.

"25 And it was the third hour[d] when they crucified him. "

In order for us to understand the significance of this passage and to contrast it to the account in John, we must first understand the way the Jewish days ran, the Jewish people still tell time in the same way. The sabbath to the Jews is saturday, but the sabbath actually begins on the evening before, Friday night at nightfall. In traditional Judaism the new day begins at nightfall. (hence why in Genesis it says: it was evening and morning, the first day, and not the other way around.)

In the account of John, we find a different tale:

"John 19:14 Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour." (of when Jesus died)

In Mark Jesus instructs them to prepare the Passover meal:

Mark 14:12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

This is undeniable evidence within the accounts that in Mark they prepared the meal during passover, ate the meal and then Jesus died.

In John, they are not given instructions, they still eat some kind of meal, but it is directly stated that he died on the day of preparation, not the day of Passover therefore the meal they ate in the account of John wasn't the Passover meal.

How can Jesus have been killed during the preparation of the Passover in John, but in Mark he lives an extra day and is crucified on the day of Passover, after the meal was eaten?.....



Does this make sense?

 

[Seedz]

Most definitely, here it goes:

In Mark 14:22-25 we see the account of Jesus instructing the disciples in the new meanings for the foods of the Passover supper. (the foods already had symbolic meanings from the OT times)

Keep in mind that this passage tells us directly that they had the Passover Meal during the day of Passover, that is the whole point of the Passover and of the occurrence I want to highlight in this post.

After the Passover meal and the prophecy told by Jesus of Peter's negation (which is also another discrepancy, I can share details if interested) they head to the garden of Gethsemane to pray. Judas Brings the troops, and Jesus is taken into custody to stand trial before the Jewish authorities.

He spends the night in Jail and then is tried before the Roman Governor, Pontious Pilate the next morning. He is found guilty and condemned.

Mark 15:25 tells us the exact time he died.

"25 And it was the third hour[d] when they crucified him. "

In order for us to understand the significance of this passage and to contrast it to the account in John, we must first understand the way the Jewish days ran, the Jewish people still tell time in the same way. The sabbath to the Jews is saturday, but the sabbath actually begins on the evening before, Friday night at nightfall. In traditional Judaism the new day begins at nightfall. (hence why in Genesis it says: it was evening and morning, the first day, and not the other way around.)

In the account of John, we find a different tale:

"John 19:14 Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour." (of when Jesus died)

In Mark Jesus instructs them to prepare the Passover meal:

Mark 14:12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

This is undeniable evidence within the accounts that in Mark they prepared the meal during passover, ate the meal and then Jesus died.

In John, they are not given instructions, they still eat some kind of meal, but it is directly stated that he died on the day of preparation, not the day of Passover therefore the meal they ate in the account of John wasn't the Passover meal.

How can Jesus have been killed during the preparation of the Passover in John, but in Mark he lives an extra day and is crucified on the day of Passover, after the meal was eaten?.....



Does this make sense?

Edit,

They did not prepare the meal during Passover in Mark, they prepared the meal on the Preparation day, Ate the meal and then Jesus was crucified.

 

[Jackson123]

Went out from us.... does not mean from us as that literally seen . They could literally go out from us but that does not define the us in Christ. Some literally stay and have no relationship with Christ but more play church. Hoping attending confirms they have the Holy Spirit .

That's the error the apostles made at first when they were acting as another Christ (mediator) which describes the antichrists. Those who say other men must teach them because only they know the infallible truths, Like Jim Jones or any group that usurp the authority of the Holy spirit in who we must abide in as he not seen teaches us .

Luke 9 and Mark 9 are an excellent example of rightly dividing the us . Luke has a fuller teaching.

You could say it was a non object as that not seen lesson. Teaching the apostles how to hear God not seen through the parables. Hiding the spiritual understanding from the intellect of man or philosophies.

Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Luke 9:44-45


Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. Luke 9:46

At that point they forsake Jesus standing right in front of them and reasoned after the philosophies or wisdom of this world and not no by the faith alone as that which comes from hearing God . Literally playing "who is the greatest" get venerated the highest (a Pagan tradition ) Christ then showing them how childish they were

And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him, And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.Luke 9:47-48

The apostles still not understanding the parable the spiritual meaning hid , replied

And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.Luke 9:49

There the apostles thought that not literally being one of us made up the us in Christ And Christ continues to teach them the proper us is not in respect to the things seen the temporal but the things of faith as those of God make up the us in Christ .They were still hoping the kingdom of God came by observation like the Pharisees with Sadducees

And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.Luke 9:50

There Christ defines the us as if we were not really there... walking by faith the unseen, eternal and not by sight after the things of men seen .Again hiding the spiritual understanding .And they looked to the literal as that seen therefore not receiving Christ because of their personal prejudices hoping the flesh of a Jew could profit for something

And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? Luke 9:51-54


Three times denying the unseen us in Christ, with three signifying the end of the manner, Christ said to them.

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.Luke 9:55

The manner they were following after was that of natural unconverted man who does walk by sight as if the kingdom did come by observation .



The god of this world .




The god of this world is very religious .

I agree went out from us but not of us can mean pretend to be Christian, not necessarily was Christian, because in verse 21 remind that lie . I believe verse 21 warn if you see one pretend to be Christ but he is liar, you better not believe him

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

 

[Jackson123]

I had to check my profile to make sure I didn't write the wrong thing there when I joined. I'm not a brother.
Your post there is reiterating predetermination. Did you mean to impart that?

I do not understand what do you mean by predetermination, is that predestination?

 

[Jackson123]

an antichrist is one who deny's christ.

1 John 2:
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Not everyone who is an antichrist ever went to a church. actually, John is talking about those who did, and left thats all.

Yes antichrist is a lot, not only one. But seem to me one of them will rule the word, base on rev 13.

Yes this antichrist will denies Jesus and pope is not denies Jesus now.
But pope promote one world religions. By the time he succeeds, I believe he denie Jesus

Can you unite all religions without denies Jesus?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Most definitely, here it goes:

In Mark 14:22-25 we see the account of Jesus instructing the disciples in the new meanings for the foods of the Passover supper. (the foods already had symbolic meanings from the OT times)

Keep in mind that this passage tells us directly that they had the Passover Meal during the day of Passover, that is the whole point of the Passover and of the occurrence I want to highlight in this post.

After the Passover meal and the prophecy told by Jesus of Peter's negation (which is also another discrepancy, I can share details if interested) they head to the garden of Gethsemane to pray. Judas Brings the troops, and Jesus is taken into custody to stand trial before the Jewish authorities.

He spends the night in Jail and then is tried before the Roman Governor, Pontious Pilate the next morning. He is found guilty and condemned.

Mark 15:25 tells us the exact time he died.

"25 And it was the third hour[d] when they crucified him. "

In order for us to understand the significance of this passage and to contrast it to the account in John, we must first understand the way the Jewish days ran, the Jewish people still tell time in the same way. The sabbath to the Jews is saturday, but the sabbath actually begins on the evening before, Friday night at nightfall. In traditional Judaism the new day begins at nightfall. (hence why in Genesis it says: it was evening and morning, the first day, and not the other way around.)

In the account of John, we find a different tale:

"John 19:14 Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour." (of when Jesus died)

In Mark Jesus instructs them to prepare the Passover meal:

Mark 14:12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

This is undeniable evidence within the accounts that in Mark they prepared the meal during passover, ate the meal and then Jesus died.

In John, they are not given instructions, they still eat some kind of meal, but it is directly stated that he died on the day of preparation, not the day of Passover therefore the meal they ate in the account of John wasn't the Passover meal.

How can Jesus have been killed during the preparation of the Passover in John, but in Mark he lives an extra day and is crucified on the day of Passover, after the meal was eaten?.....



Does this make sense?

1. Mark used jewish time (jesus was crucified at 9: am)
2. John states jesus was tried at 6th hour (roman time, ie 6 am) he was crucified after this, most likely 9 am

1. Passover was friday, preparation day was the day before the sabbath, which was Friday.

See also mark 15: 42 (NKJV): Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath

along with john 19: 31 (NKJV): Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

And you see both accounts have him crucified the day before saturday on preperation day.